What We’re Applying In Our 2x2 This Spring

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Maybe your spring planting plans are set. Maybe by April 6th your planter will already be rolling. Maybe you don’t even do 2x2 application (Johnny Verell doesn’t!). Learn what the XA guys are putting down in their 2x2 application this spring. We discuss the products they use, why they use them, the results they’ve seen (or not seen!), and the results that justify their decisions.

All right. Hey folks, welcome to the April 6th edition of the extreme AG webinar. We're going to get going in just a few seconds. We want to let everybody get in the door. We just opened it. So we're gonna be covering what we are applying in our two by two this spring. That is the topic. You're gonna get some really good information from various parts of the country from people that are doing really cool stuff with their two by two from the miles that just started with two by two and amended and changed the way they do it. And then from Johnny Burrell who Took his two by two off. That's what we're covering. So anyway, just a filter on in here. We'll get going in just a few seconds. This is going to be a great topic and you're gonna have a lot of very useful information that you can use even this spring. So that's where covered today. I want. Also remind you that if you're looking at your calendar, we've got webinars for May 4th, June 1st and July 6. It's very easy. It's the first Thursday of every month May 4th, June 1st, July 6. That's the first Thursday of every month. We want you to be there. We offer these every month as an added benefit for our business partners and our members. So Mark those dates in your calendar. Also, we have a field day coming up at Chad Henderson's that's on May 11th. If you're anywhere close to Madison, Alabama, you're going to want to be there. We got some really cool stuff going and as a side benefit, he's gonna have this his race car there. I'm gonna be there. Matt is going to be there and Temple is allegedly gonna be there and Johnny is gonna be there. So, you know, what? Why wouldn't you be there? It's gonna be a party and it's gonna also be very educational. That's the May 11th at Chad Henderson and Madison Alabama field day. All right, we're gonna get things going here. Talking today about what we're applying in our two by two this spring. What are we applying in our two by two this spring? Maybe you've already been out running chances. Are you have not because it's April 6, but Two by two I'd even know what it was until I joined ranks with extreme Ag and they taught me all about this and I think one of the people that's got the most experience is gonna kick us off and it's gonna be Temple roads Eastern Shore, Maryland Temple roads is a awesome contributor here at extreme AG, he's gonna tell us what he is doing in his two by two. Remember I didn't even know this two inches down two inches away from the seed plant at time of planting. It's a lot of stuff going on Temple. What are you doing in your two by two the products and if you change anything about the practices So I changed the practices quite a few years ago. We went away from you know, a true tuba two where you use a knife and a little a little disc blade knife. You know, you got bearings you got Parts all that stuff. I got rid of that about 15 years ago and I made my own stainless steel tubes that come out the back. I call it a YouTube and I put it right out to back the planner. We started doing that about 15 years ago. We got away from all that because one of the things that you'll run in with a tuba to is just more parts more more labor-intensive just it's it's a lot and it's already a lot when you're already working on the planner. So we wanted to find tune that so we got rid of all that stuff. Now we gave up a little bit putting it on top the ground there for a little while, but now some of the things some of the additives and some of the stuff that we have nowadays. um some of the stuff that we do nowadays we can kind of buffer that we I shouldn't say buffer that we can keep it from leaching and leaving us now. I ate a lot of humics a lot of sugars. It's a it's the packed load and it's and it's safe and I'm putting some efficiency agents in there and I am stabilizing that and is getting better and better and better. So for the guys out there that are scared of putting it on top to ground and want to put it in the dirt. I re Inside by side studies with another company, you know a concealed deal. On another planner and we were actually one leaf stage ahead by putting it on top of the ground and I can go through all that with some other guys later exactly the data and all but what we're doing now is we're putting on like a 1428. Oh with a pound a half a zinc a quarter pound of boron in it. We're putting that at anywhere between 10 and 15 Gallons, depending on the ground. We put a human in the fall of it in there. We put a lot of sugar in there. We add a phosphorus efficiency agent like nutria George. We Aid that this year according to what Kelly and Mike Evans found out last year was thy way we're gonna add that to our general or our grower stand or practice this year. And then one other thing that we're going to bring into this is we're going to start putting some Biologicals into this into the tuba too as well. So we're doing a lot of different things. It's a lot of different testing, but I've been doing it for A long time and only thing I can tell you is is stick with your program and add one thing at a time. Don't get overwhelmed and don't go crazy. Just one thing at a time small chunks. Alright, so we won't get you said practices. We LED you all the practices. You said that you've changed your practices and you have a little bit way of your way your two by two words, then you said I call it YouTube have you not heard at cmf farms that actually I know I know there might be another entity that's used the word YouTube. Yeah as a proprietary thing, which don't like it's a stainless steel you tube this is that simple. All right. So as far as the products you threw a lot of a lot of out there without the experiments because that's all cool. That's what we're doing here extreme. AG Temple is the trial the stuff that's already standard practice in this year's two by two on corn tell me what's going to be in there. Okay, my normal fertility. So remember we're phosphorus deficient out here. So we're running a 1428. Oh, um with 1.5 pounds of zinc and a quarter pound of boron. That's just our regular fertility. We're in two quarts of a human folic mix like sea cat and then we're going to add a pound to a pound and a half of sugar depending on what kind of ground we're on and then we're gonna add a product like neutral charge in there to try to make that that phosphorus that we're putting out there more efficient. You know, that's what we're doing and then we're going to add ziway in and then this year we're going to it we did some work last year putting some Biologicals in there and we had some pretty good success with it. But that's more of a testing thing. So the other stuff that I just told you that's grower standard practice for me has been growing standard practice for a while. Now. I'm just adding the highway this year and a Biologicals. All right real quickly since I weigh is a is a fungicide from FMC that goes and it works best in two by two and then your 1428. Oh, there's your starter fertilizer. He said a human gonna fall like and then you said what's the neutral charge just for somebody that's new to us. What's new to charge? So neutral charge what neutral charge neutral charts does is it helps the phosphorus become efficient to the plan? It changes the charge in it. Um, so it actually can be upten not only does it change the charge in it. It can also change the charges in the calcium as well. So a lot more of these nutrients can be taken up. Keep in mind the first thing that we fight appear where we are is we're going to be fighting cold wet Souls. I mean we're gonna thunderstorm right now and it's going to be 36 degrees here in two days at night time loose. So we're gonna fight that cold wet weather. So we need to energy in that plan. There's only one way to drive the energy into plant is to get the phosphorus and the plant and make it available. Okay, and neutral charge is I made by who agrotech USA got it. So real quickly a starter fertilizer 1428. Oh humic full of neutral charge as I wave Fungicide and did I miss something? Some logical and we're gonna put some Biologicals on in that mix and that's good. That's gonna vary a little bit based on what your that's gonna vary a little bit based on where we are and all but I mean my basic you hit it on my basic. That's what that's where I'm at. You're gonna do the you're gonna do the Biologicals more as an experimental thing because we're working with some companies to say we're did this over here. We did this on this field. Well, we saw we we saw some bonuses and what we did last year and we had some Biologicals a couple different times and we saw some positivity there. So it was enough positivity that I'm gonna move that forward and I'm gonna put it a little bit more into my grower standard practice. I'm not doing 100% of my Acres, but I'm gonna move forward a little bit past the trials got it. All right, Mike Evans. Integrated AG Solutions is your company in conjunction with our founder one of our Founders Kelly Garrett and Mike Wayne Grove, you're agronomist. And you are working with Kelly as an agronomist on all those Acres. So what are you doing? What things are you doing on your Acres up there in Northwest, Iowa and two by two? We're pretty standard right now. We're putting nitrogen sulfur humic acid. I'll put bright quarter pound to a third of a pound of boron on and ziway. That's what we typically done. We've messed around a few things in the past, but we always seem to come back to those right now. So that's what we'll do this year. Nitrogen sulfur Boron and ziway, we're talking about your corn acres and I didn't hear human can folic. I didn't hear the other stuff that Temple talked about why not? Well, we put him again. I said humic denied it. I don't know. I'm clarifying. Hey, so whatever you're doing one of these things where you always have to make a confrontational. I didn't say what you did not say I'm clarifying. I know that you always are fast to fight. I'm not trying as you all know. I'm very non-confrontational. I'm almost a Quaker in that regard. All right. What are you saying? Then a human evolve it? Yes. Yeah, I mean, it's you're doing that. I recommend it to everybody that's you make must as a must especially with here looking at nitrogen or sulfur. All right, by the way, you're the first one you mentioned Boron and that reads me to our first question, which came from Galen beer. And he says of Agro liquid and he says about boron. So that was it. One of those things you are putting on Boron and you do it the two by two the question is there's concern of boron in Furrow at time of planning. How do you feel about boring two by two at time playing is it too early? You just said no Temple did not mention Boron a time of planning and two by two it is a it is for you always or is this the first year you're doing it? Supposed to be the second year you've done it. So since we started with Kelly will be the second year. We put it in last year and we put it in this year any issues obviously not that's what you're bringing it up. Yeah, you got results last year. Yeah, we we've never had any issues of the products. We've used parts before. Did you have a problem in boron and Furrow? And that's why you went to two by two? Oh, our micro has more on and Furrow. So we haven't had any issues in that in that regard. Okay Temple. Hey, hey Damien. We we do that 1428. Oh with a pound a half a zinc. It does have a quarter pound of boron in it. And we've been doing the boron in two by two for 30 years. We've never ever had an issue with that. But I do have a question for for Mike at when you get a second. I'm good you good. Hey Mike, you know I fight calcium issues out here as well. Is there any kind of way that I can put some kind of calcium product and any of these Blends that were making in Tuba to or is it better off the you know, it's gonna obviously you'll have some kind of effect with the phosphorus. Is there some kind of way that we can put it in somewhere else or do you suggest that being as a foliar spray later on down the road? It's just a question. Yeah, we're putting in Pearl and then we're full year spraying it. That's how we're handling it. I know some guys I know some guys do puts are working on putting some calcium out there in that two by two but that's how we're handling it. I've messed with some calcium in the two by two. I haven't seen the results yet, but we're gonna look at some more this year. So that's how we we're handling the calcium. Hey, you know, I kind of look at some of things like the zinc we use last year. We had in Peru beyond what you know on the two by two, excuse me, we put zinc in the two by two thinking, you know, when it gets V4 V6, we'll get some zinc. And I didn't feel like we got the results and we went we're putting it in full year this year. To feel I feel like we'll get better. Results from that, you know getting on the belief and going that route versus trying to get out two by two there. I don't know. It's just because our soils or whatever. We just didn't see the results there and feel like we get in leaf a lot better doesn't think you just mentioned you're going you're not putting in or the calcium. Yeah. Yeah. We moved it out the two by two this year. We're gonna put it with the sprayer. so Think the temple talked about it. Sometimes we get a little too many products in their potentially and we get some I you think we use last year was probably more antagonistic than I would have liked and that environment. So we we exited out and we decided to keep it simple on the two by two because sometimes you got to think operationally and they you know, Kelly's got three corn planters running at the same time 24 rows. We got tend them, you know, they're feeling quite frequently. So we just try to keep that a little more streamlined there on our end, you know, so the question was about two things zinc. Zinc is going into by two, you said But but not calcium. Neither is this for us this year zinc or calcium nor can neither zinc nor calcium into by two and then somebody typed in here talking about liberate CA from Agra liquid Works real. Well was that is anybody using that you guys Mike Evans have used liberate CA from Agra liquid, but you used that not it time of planning. No, we put we did trials last year for with okay great seeing on course specifically and it's the grower standard now coming into this year. So it's gonna be on every acre corn and beans. It's gonna be infer. Yes in for okay and more and we're not talking for right now. We're talking about two by two but the point is to round it out though, since we're already on this you gave us what's in your two by two in in your farming operation in Iowa. Then infero is liberate CA and what else is infer? some micros will have you should charge will be in there. of humic acid fulvic acid And some insecticide so that's that would be the main main gist of it. Got it. All right, anybody guy thing? Because I want to also point out if you're tuning in and you heard Temple talking about his his YouTube design. There's a link to it over here in the chat section that will put up. So if you want to see that that's a video for members where he talks about how he did that. All right. So moving on we got the miles and we're gonna get the Johnny verrell in a while. And I remember the big kicker is it's like Point Counterpoint. This is like a crossfire Johnny varel took the two by two off of his planter. So if you don't have two by two and you're wondering if you can still have successful cross, well John, he's gonna tell you why he took his off we're gonna get to that and I think just for the fun of it because somebody might wonder is there something they're missing? I think that we're gonna make sure going back to Temple to round that out since we asked Mike Evans stuff. That's not in two by two but also is going on a time of planting what's getting what's getting put out in your Furrow just so we know I know that that was not really today's thing but we might as well do it that way. Anybody has a question says, well, what about this? Are you using that product? Temple at time of planning what's going in Furrow to complement what's going on your two by two or heard about your two back? Oh, you don't even want to know about my infer. I'm sorry. I um, yeah. My info is like it's it's a little heavy. So we're got ethos going in in Furrow. That's another Insecticide Fungicide. We got pre-axle going in there two ounces that keeps me away from pythium. I've got a phosphorus micro pack going in there. There's magnesium manganese going in there another load of humexfolics sugars man. It's a it's a lot. It's a lot and evidently it's going to be liberate cow as well. So if I can get all that stuff to jug test and I can get it out there. That's what I'm gonna put out there. So you're not actually been my gross caring practice. I'm not concerned. I'll get it. So you're gonna add one thing everything else is already in there and you have a compatibility issues. Now, you're gonna add Liberty in there for about in unless you have compatibility issues getting added. That's right. So what I've already gotten out of this seminar so much so far is I'm gonna be able to put that liberate cow into my infer and I think that that'll be huge for me. All right, cool. All right, we're moving on remember. If you got a question go ahead and type it in and the question answer session and I got one from Quinn Smith as anyone seen a yield difference using Nutri charge in the 2x2 versus infero. So we've already said that both you guys use it both the two that have already spoken Mac Evans and Temple roads any difference news to charge two by two versus info. I can answer that one. So, um, I've done it all different ways. So I ran neutral charge in Furrow. I ran neutral charge in Tuba two and then we've run neutral charge again. Wait come way back in a wide drop. I've run all three situations. I've run them all together and I've run them all separately separately if you run a charge and Furrow or in a two by two It's about the same bushels per acre my average on like I did it on four or five different Farms our trials last year. It was exactly the same. We were anywhere between five and eight bushels an acre better. It didn't matter which way I put it now. I always told you that I'm always going to look for a negative. I'm gonna find it. I'm gonna find a way to make it fail. So I put neutral charge in Furrow and then again in Tuba too. See if I could make it feel like I want to find out who how much is too much. Um, and it was no different. It didn't make any difference. It was no difference in bushels one way the other it just cost me more money to apply it twice. So realistically it doesn't make any difference which way you want to put it whether you want to put it in Furrow or you want to put it into two but two it works exactly the same. I don't know. I think you almost could have gotten to that by just saying I've done it both ways and there's no tangible difference. Either way. You did kind of you did kind of Shakespeare that up a little bit Temple. You did kind of make that a three paragraph answer when it could have been I've done it both ways and I haven't seen any tangible or personal difference. I just want to point that out there. But I tend to do that. So there you go. He never he never met a sentence. He couldn't turn into at least two pages. I love it. All right. So let's move on now to the miles boys. I've been on the screen all day with them recording stuff. So I feel like you know, hey, man, we're there a little bit of Johnny come lately on two by two. There was a reason for that because of the way your planter set up I'm talking about how it hooks up and the way you have an infero here. I'm sorry, you have inferior irrigation. So kind of talk a little bit to somebody that's never been on here before. They're in the Delta region of Arkansas, which means the Southeastern part of Arkansas. It's generally flat as a pancake every acre. They Farm is irrigated. Tell me now about why you are a little bit late on the two by two and then the work around that lane as improvised. All right. First of all, did you say in Forever? Irrigation? Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry for real irrigation. I would just curious because we don't irrigate in furrow. but no Canada Johnny's point and and where we started so when we started trying to Figure out a way to make our corn better. So, you know the Delta's relatively or I would say us for sure but a lot of the Delta's relatively been in corn a short amount of time compared to everybody else on here and you know, some of the guys that the high yield guys were saying, you know, we had to have tuba too. So we went and put a like Temple said a tuba two, we actually did three but two to get it away from the road just a little bit more and so we tried that with a problem with with us in the inferior irrigation and we have is we're on Ray seabed so So with Ray seed beds, you know, everything changes. We've got a three-point hitch planter where the rest these guys on here are pulling their planter, you know, we're carrying our planter. So you can't there's nowhere at stackfold 12 row stack fold. So there's nowhere to put tanks. So we put two 500 gallon side tanks and a 500 gallon front tank on one planter and try to do tuba too. And basically what we seem to be doing most of the time number one was feeling up and number two. Everything was on that tractor. So all that weight 1500 gallons of water or fertilizer, so it wasn't water so it's it's extremely heavy was on that planter. So I mean was on the tractor, so it just didn't work for us the way we wanted to work. So we eventually took that off and just started putting a heavy load in infer. And as we kind of evolved and listen to Chad and Temple and and Mike and and different ones that you know that we've we've learned the tuba twos a very important, you know place in a corn in a corn plant's life more. So in my opinion in our area than beans so we were trying to figure out a way how do we do this without doing this? And another thing too we run three Planters like Mike was talking about. So if you did it to one planner, we did it for two years as a test. Then you got to put it on all three Planters and it just was not efficient for us to do at that point. But we knew we know that liquid is better source of nitrogen than it is granular and we know there's other products that we can put in they liquid mix such as sugars and and who you mix in full books that we could not do with granular so we had to figure out a way To subsidize that or figure out a way to put that out and I have to give Craig credit to Adrian Bell got one of my friends in Mississippi. We're at a meeting two years or last year last last year. He said man, you can do it. You just got to do with your sprayer. And I said, what are you talking about? He said streamer nozzles. He said you could actually buy nozzles that are four streams that will lay right on on the top of your bed and Will's got some a picture of that of kind of what we're doing. So you see the four lines that's that's dark places in the dirt where the those trimmer nozzles have have actually put that those products on top of the bed and then you kind of see on the right what the what the streamer nozzle looks like. So this is our first year. I can't tell you a lot of data or what it's gonna be how good it's gonna be we're taking baby steps like what Temple said, you know, we're running our 28005 which will include our nation and our sulfur we're also putting a little bit of phosphorus there the the human Foley with some zinc and some and some Boron. So if we were doing granular we could not add I mean we could add one of course and we could add, you know some granular zinc but the human can fully the sugars the different things that you can put in there liquid phosphorus, you know, we wouldn't be able to do those things. So we're we've got a really high hopes that that this is kind of our Cure All to the this is our I don't know Temple. We I don't you call this a YouTube. What would you call this flat tube? Oh what you call it, but it's an answer to it's it's a it is a solution to a problem really the problem that lane had something to do with and I remember seeing the picture in the extreme AG text stream Lane. What's your and what's your involvement here? And what's also your prediction on whether this is gonna work and then if this is your this is your answer to 2x2. I want to hear from you. Yeah, so it's actually kind of a funny story so Dad dad's been asked me all winter. Hey. You know, we're gonna be able to stick these things on her nozzles, you know straight on the nozzle body and it worked right? Yeah. I said, yeah, we're we're 19 inches. We're 19 inches. I don't measured it. We're 19 inches. Well 19 inches every other nozzle was 38 inch rows, right? Well, we got out there to do it put them all the nozzles and apparently my tape measure was wrong because we are 20 inch facing and that didn't work real good. So, you know 28 spacing it just it didn't line up on the road. Long story short. We took you see there in in the right picture there on Wheels picture is we took our wide drop bars or Roger brackets, and we we ran this real sophisticated hose. Put a hose on the nasal body ran it back to the wide drop bracket super sophisticated bracket. We zip tied those. Wide drop nozzles a little little yellow bar there see really sophisticated four zip ties and zip tied it on the body and put it every 38 inch rows. Oh. You know that that their nozzle body has a has like oh one through six orifice. Basically long story short figure out kind of where the orifice is. There's a chart and you figured out spray pressure and all that but worked out pretty good. By the way, I get your joke about the sophisticated stuff. Is it going to get more advanced or is it still just working on zip for zip ties for? for for applicator As long as those zip ties work, I'm gonna keep using them because I can cut them off and take them off pretty quick. All right, anything anybody comment on this work around I got a couple thoughts but I want to hear from other people. First off. This is gonna be is this gonna be as effective as two by two. Yes. I'm gonna go with you. They're they're planting on Twin rows on top of that bed and they're laying it right in between all of them. This is no different than any of us are the one this is all about efficiency of products and putting it right there on the plant. That's what this is about. All right. So Tim, I think that's I appreciate saying it because my my thought was gonna be there's one thing though. This has a chance of Greater room for error because in two by two way, you run it there's no question. If you start driving if you start doing figure eights in your field, it still stays two inches away and two inches down from your seed. This has greater room for air to keep it away. So if it's a product that you want to have a little distance still in the soil but away from the seed there's room for error here is that it is an issue. It's that's not gonna be an issue. He's putting this stuff and bear dirt. It's more Crown. He's never ever gonna see the issue there. I guar It there's no way he's mixed and sugars in there and he's buffering that salt. There's no way that he's gonna have any problem. I stick my reputation on it, which is not very good reputation. But I'll stay at that one. You got a hell of a reputation. That's why we like you here your little wordy, but you got to help reputation. Yes late. A temple you're what? Yeah, we're just saying right. He's more standing behind you and your operation. All right, Johnny Farrell. We're gonna come to you by the point is you took two by two off. I won't hear all about. Why is this something you would see yourself doing? You don't plan on Twin rows on top of raised beds, or do you tips to fertilize our car with our 28% We run these tips in season 3 before corn to put out our 28% So we use the same type setup for our Corner. We're on 20s. So the tips facing actually work perfect for us. Got it. Mike Evans. Is this gonna work? Is there room for air would you please give me some Vindication and say, you know Damien you made a really brilliant Point. There's a lot of room for error here. I agree with your concerns. I would agree with temple. I think it's fantastic for it with him. I mean with what they got to do with down there efficiency. I mean That if Kelly didn't firm all the mountains here. It's probably something we look at but yeah, it's I don't see any reason why that wouldn't work. Okay, I got a couple questions from Anonymous attendee. I don't know who that is anonymous a team says anyone else using the streamer nozzles on this panel. I'm using streamer nozzles, but it's on it's on wheat. But you know, I was telling Matt that if he was on, you know, 30 inch centers or whatever on most sprayers that are 15 inch basins. They could use streamer nozzles and do this exactly and replicate this and plant right on top of it. I've done it in the past. Just to try to get away from the you know, carrying that load on the planner and all that stuff and I never saw any difference, but then I'm tying up a sprayer, you know, and I don't really want to type a sprayer of my sprayers or running behind corn and beans so it kind of created a problem on the other end for me. So by the way, speaking of Thomas prayer, this is this is the system that I've already been told is gonna work. Just great, but it does add another pass another piece of equipment. By the way, I asked a piece of equipment before us with three-point hitch Planters. It's this or nothing so we can run this but before or behind the planner and and really get some stuff done where if we were trying to do it with our planner with three planners, we would get probably 60% of the Acres planted that we do today. So you have to kind of weigh the difference. It is another past but is it more efficient than is two passes more efficient than one pass if you're if you're not getting anything done. Yeah. This is a really fast pass. Yeah big time. Yeah, that that's that as long as it's all met as long as Lanes tape measure works. It's also it's fast and it's also still getting awareness is still precise enough to get it where it needs to be. I mean, it's not this is these streams are not going down based on any kind of GPS. This is based on you. And your and your Stanley. You're Stanley tape measure, right? Hi. My Stanley tape measure is On the money, I got you. I do want to say something here. So you look at that bed. Right and if we weren't doing this we would be applying dry fertilized. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna say 30% of that drive fertilizer is gonna be in that middle. Where your corn Roots at when they're young that first that first pass of nitrogen where your corn Roots at? They're not out there so rains and and leeching and everything else. We're going to be losing part of that nitrogen just because it's so far away from the planet can't use by the way. That's a great a great illustration. We talked in a recording podcasts will be coming out later about your your issue of switching from dry fertilizer to liquid application. Here's a great example as you just said you Furrow irrigate. So I did that lane not in for a few Furrow irrigate and in doing so water runs down those furrows right there and like you say even on Twin Rose. It's gonna be a long time before when he Roots get over there. So a bunch of your fertility is going to be where it never does you any good. It'll go away before you plant ever gets to it. That's correct. Got it. Got some questions here guy named Wes his last name. It has only one vowel and it's at the wrong place. It's says skrla so I'm gonna call it skurla. Someone should have given more vows to your name should have bought a vowel on the Wheel of Fortune West but I'm sorry I can't say if I'm saying it incorrectly. It's my apologies. Do you rerun the beds after application rerun the beds after application? Does that mean put the beds back together or what's he asking he's asking do we make another application on the bed after this and answer to that is no because then you're taking that that fertilizer that you've actually put in a And a specific spot in by the time you rerun the bed if you just knock it off You're Gonna Knock it in the middle. And if you rerun it, you don't know where it's going to be. Are quite do it it is to is to run the bed run the streamer and then plant right behind it. Say it again. Another way to do it or the way you do it I preferred way to do it is the is the shape the bed run the streamer and implant? Thank you Lane. Andy hubenthal Indiana guy says is this pre-plant meaning? I think he's saying when you ran through there with these streamers, was it already planted? It doesn't look like is this pre-plant or right after plant? This is actually pre-plant and that's something Chad and I went over because Chad and Temple are two people that really helped me with my my tuba two and you know the products I'm putting out and You know and and Temple I'd love for you to comment on this. I don't think there's a whole lot of difference if we go before after so, you know, if the sprayer Gets behind then he's gonna be after if he's in front and he's gonna be before but we don't know because this is no for us so I can't really give you a definitive answer but I think it really don't matter according to what I mean Temple ways. It's this stuff is you got to remember fertilizers always more efficient when it's in a streamed band like that. So that's number one. So it's not going anywhere. Um, number two, if you're planting across this Matt and you go out and apply this a day ahead of time or whatever so that that prayer can stretch out and get away from your planners, which is a good thing and let some of that that moisture dry out of it. So it's not sticky and you plan in it some of that dirt and that mixing action when you're playing through it. That's all good thing that's mixing more of it in the dirt. That's not a bad thing. You can do it. Either way, I think I'd be doing it the way that you're doing it Matt in my opinion. Got it. Anybody else on this and I got another question if nobody else has anything. The only thing I could say is With three Planters 12 row 38, we plant somewhere around 450 acres a day. That's 150 acres of planter. Our sprayer does good to get that we're gonna be somewhere between that 350 to 400 50 acres a day. So is it always perfect? No, do we try to be ahead of the planner we do our best. Yeah. Got it. Okay. So obviously the big thing is it sounds like it's still worse. You have a preferred method, but you have another method that still is effective and it's probably not going to lose any yield. About this so temples using his YouTube and he's behind the planner every time. Yeah, we have a chance we get in front of the planter. But if we get behind and we're doing basically the same thing he is we're just running four times instead of two, right so preferred method for the miles Farms is to do it before planting. So shape the beds run this plant. back up plan is shape the beds plant run this right It's well my work. We're in New Territory. But yes, that's that's kind of man. Temple what he I got a question from Max. Um, do you think? Beings that you're old fertility program was just spread it, you know blow and go, you know you blew it all over the field some of that's in the ditch, you know in your in your furrow. is Do you think that it's going to be more efficient and that you could actually cut back on your fertility means that you're this much more efficient man. That's just a question. Yes. That's definitely what we're that that's our plans and and we've done that when we went from granular 100% granular to wide drops. I mean the placement of the fertilize that the base of the plan on the wide drop or even with this. Yes. We're cutting our Notch and back. I think I looked at yesterday and we're going to try to cut it back 19% How are you stabilizing? You didn't really tell us what what are you putting in this blend? How are you stabilizing it or are you stabilizing this with neutral charge humics and sugars or how are you figuring on that? Net? You make some sugars the the neutral I know Jarred is in the infer. About you know, because of your research we could go either way. We know that it's right there at the you know on the seed with the inferral so our next application and neutral charge will be our second side risk, which will be with the wide drop. That's when you know corn needs that that big shot of phosphorus late or later I guess and so we're trying to kind of spread that out into two different areas. Okay, thank you. Our producer producer here will says if you've got questions about the temple streamer nozzle. There will be a video on Temple streamer nozzle use coming to extreme AG dot Farm tomorrow. So tomorrow. After he's had a chance to get through all this and upload it go to extremeag.f farm where we have what hundreds and hundreds. I've personally involved in 200 Productions. I think a hundreds hundreds of videos and you can see his inaction. Next question is like, you know, I have one thing to add every time every time Temple raises his hand. I have to put it down. I think he wants to leave that hand over all the time. Hey, we lost it. We lost a question from Wayne Bowden. That was up there about usage. Did that go away? And it looks like it was answering. I got two questions from or two comments or comment a question from Galen the question from Wayne was about 2805. Wasn't it? How many gallons and 2805 do you run and Lane answered it? Okay so late, we're trying to get about 40 units of nitrogen out plus the sulfur out at that point. So that's answers your gallon. Do you want to get 40 units of nice, you know? What's that? 14 gallons got it. Galen says going back to the streamer nozzle stuff Galen. Beer says I've used the fertilizer nozzle that shoots three streams effectively the volume of the product and the weight during planting can be an issue as Matt mentioned temples YouTube looks pretty cool. He also says the fertilizer Iran was right behind the closing Wheels not as he separate trip volume at planting was a major slowdown. So we adopted strip till for the large volume just can't get into what the miles boys are experiencing in Arkansas. If you have a question, please type it in the Q&A. We want to hear from you again. We want to make this completely interactive for your educational purposes. We're going to Johnny varel Johnny is affiliate of extreme egg. We just recorded a podcast about the subject that he's gonna touch on now if you are intrigued by what he's getting ready to say and I know you will be look in the next couple weeks or month because we did a whole episode about why I took the two by two off my planter we talked about leading off. Simple who's kind of been a pioneer of usage and results from his trials using two by two went to Mike Evans who talked about the products. I remember they're using two by two on fields that have slopes that are 30% and that's not a joke and they're getting tremendous yields and result from it. They went to the miles that have their work around. Because of the way they farm and the type of plants are they use Johnny Burrell had two by two on four three or four years and it's not just on a little six acre six row planter that he was piddling around with he still has an eight row planter with the two by two on that. He's doing for some experimentation. He had it on his 24 row Planters took it off. Why did you do that? Well, as a lot of times have been touched on but the plan ability was a big challenge for us. Just pulling the Planters. So we're on 20 inch we're running 24. Oh 20 inch planters. The Planters, you know having two knives one on each side and if you truly try to run them two inches, we never could get enough horsepower, you know, we started off like three forty went up to 400 horse tractors and if we're pulling on trip two inches deep on each side of the road. We were just gotten that tractor all day long and then, you know, we're having to work on them like all the time and never could find a system that you put it off again of the year. You can actually just sit back and run so we changed us some things over the last four years and You know just never could get real happy with the two by two system. We had you know typical it's A bracket here to try out. Oh, well hold down up again. This is kind of proprietary thing. I don't know how I don't why he fooling around with extreme egg when he could actually just bust into manufacturing those things and become like the the next Cyrus McCormick. Yeah, that's that's simple design and that's what we're looking for. Hopefully going into nature. We're gonna change up our planners a little bit go back to a different roast space and probably when we do that, we're gonna put up a bracket like that on our planner and probably just get those and run them because the speed is a part of it but the wear and tear, you know it like our downforce. We're in a no-till environment and This is extremely hard running 600 pounds of down Force pretty much on the whole plant or the whole time because those knives are having to push down the disc openers having to push down. It's just like we were always starving for leading more and more weight on that planner to keep it in the ground and then just pulling it. We're burning so much fuel. So We can't raise up the knives. You know already inch and then we're at a half-ish. We're at that point. We're miles will be dribbling on top the ground. We're using a lot of the same products. They work at one time. We were putting 30 gallons to the acre two by two and you start adding products like boron in there. It's so thick it pumps different. It's hard to pump. It's just a whole new ball game you start mixing stuff. The compatibility piece is one thing but it's being able to pump it from the tractors to the back of the planter was a big thing for us, but we made it through that but just getting some equipment that would last throughout a whole season last year. We put all new knives on our planner really just made it about a half a season and they were they were out so I didn't want to you know, I just I couldn't keep working on them. So I just kind of decided this year. We're gonna change it up and we left a lot of the same equipment the individual row, you know, the the right controllers on each row we left on there and we actually put a spray bar on the back of the planter and we're putting out our herbicide pass. So we already had the tank so the tractor so we're spraying behind the planter. So we still use the same I can put different biological. polls like that behind the planner so we still have infer we're still utilizing it just like we were before we just took the two by two off and But a spray bar on the back of the planner so knocked out that pasture the sprayer so a couple things there it was tough getting through the ground and it caused a lot of horsepower drag than you had to increase the size and the horsepower of the tractor. Then you also are using a lot more fuel. So that becomes an issue of the economics and the practicality. He told me that it plugged up a little bit and then also wore out and so you're trying it through a lot of acres and a planting season window then you're taking a day to or half a day to replace all these things because they were worn out or plugged up. Those are the other issues right back issue having something like this where it's not in the ground you won't have that issue. It was amazing. We can't survey Flags every time we get out of a tractor going to fill out we walk behind the planter cleaning out tips that were stopped up since it was born on each side. You really wouldn't know one side will stop. It it was no Rhyme or Reason to why sometimes they were stopping up. Our soul has got a lot of sand our c. C's eight to twelve so I don't know if that was part of it or what but we can wear out a set of blades and knives every year so that's why one of the main reasons we swallowed Yeah, Matt wants to talk. Yeah, I don't ever get I just figured out how you raise your hand after timbal's done it for 30 times a night, but I've got two questions for Johnny one. Do you miss a tuba two or do you think or I mean, I know you you may try a temples YouTube but I mean, do you think we're picking up I mean because we're new at this again. Do you think you think there's something there that we're losing and number two? Is there a way when you brought up the herbicide pass because we do that with our soybeans. We don't run info on our soybeans. So we run our herbicide pass, you know on our we got spray bars on our on our Planters. So is there enough? Tim almost got his hand up. I just seen that it's perpetual. It is perpetual. Is there enough products we could run? And we're and I just preached placement because I think that's where we need to be. But as their products we could run that. Might offset some of that that we could run with our herbicide. and not you know, I guess I'm asking too many questions at one time. Well, I think everything he says right. You can run your 28% and you're burned down. No, you know no issue. We've done that before at least a 50/50 blend. So we've done that. You know, I don't know if you want that missed in all over your planner would be my reservation there. But you know all we do like last year. We had the two by two on So we went to wheat beans. We just put the spray bar unplug the airline hose hooked it into the tip and rolled on. We just raise the conceal knives up, you know to finish the year out. So I think what I'll do more like I'll be running this top product right here in seasonal corn. And then switch over on veins to be spraying behind the planter on beans and doing my infer program on my veins because just like I'll talk about before in the sprayers. One of the most utilize it stays going every day if I can eliminate one pass because when we're planting beans I could be spraying my core and that's the big thing. So, you know the stream bars that's what we've been running for years with our nitrogen on our core We've ran all into 80 gallons over the top of corn. That's V3 V4 and I'll send you all some pictures of it. It's pretty you can get some burn. You know and how you mix it if you spray a herbicide and come back the same. With the fertilizer in trouble you're gonna make it hot, but if you'll spread it out put humic in it. It really helps that burn. Temple I know that you are perpetually a hand raiser by the way in kindergarten Missy Branham never raised her hand, she just would yell teacher teacher so I appreciate you raising your hand versus just yelling teacher teacher. I mean, I've sit here right notes the whole time so hey I this is what I got. So this is question for Johnny, you know, he talked about that. There's knives being in the ground Johnny. Have you seen any difference in the ride quality on your planners? Once you took those conceal units off or not, really picking on conceal or any, you know row mount it fertilizer type system. That's my question. That's right. Yeah, it definitely made the rock quality a lot better and decrease amount of pressure is taken to keep those units on the ground. I mean when we look at our covers math, we pretty much just be red all day long trying to plan in a little environment. We went into some work done around it would work like You know, you would have 200 pounds of downforce. But if it was no till it's just our soil types tight, you know, it's true tells not really an option for us. So, you know. It's like we're gonna be going back to dribble years ago. We were dribbling and we went away from that to do the conceal because everyone talked about the phosphorous placement, but I think the additive products you can add like I'll talk about earlier. You can make that Fosters more available in the root Zone. Well, we found with when we got away from those things. And the reason I asked this is because you know ride quality is of direct correlation with singulation, you know, when you have you know, if you've got speed tubes or you have the John Deere exact emerge, you know, I mean ride quality isn't as big of an issue, but for all of these guys out there and it including me that don't have speed tubes or the exact emerge on my planner, you know, that ride quality. It's not good you're singulation didn't either and you got to take some stress off your guys. I touched on that with Damien the other day, but my guys we were fighting these things. It's a lot of moving Parts, you know, you got two great controllers on each row a lot of Plumbing lot of folding pinch points all this type of stuff. It's a lot of moving Parts really, I mean at the end of the year, I just told my guys to worry I want to do they're like We love everything just let's change this up right now. That's that's what it is reported off like so next year. I'll probably be back some type of dribble is what I plan on doing all for sure. I agree with you Johnny. I mean it does I mean that sucks you mean when you got in for you got two but two and you're worrying about you know, five gallons in for any work 20 gallons in a tuba two and is all on your planner. He's got to turn the Planner on and off. I mean it it's a lot of things for one person have to to remember, uh splitting that on that stream bar. I mean, you've got a whole another guy on another sprayer on understand that too. But all he has to worry about is is those string bars. At least your rows are all straight. So, you know, they're not always all straight. And that was another thing, you know. Rainy day it rained two inches like it did last night. Well, guess what the next morning we would come in and work on planners. I'm just trying to get it to where when it rains today offer everybody. We don't have to come in and it work. So just trying to step and save the fuel fuel last year got so expensive. It really did add a lot to fuel earn a lot more deaf. So yeah, I mean you're talking about a couple gallons of probably a couple gallons an hour easily. And so you start putting that across the, you know, four and a half nine ten bucks. You know, it's a lot Speaking of everybody some other tough conditions these people Johnny always carry on about how lucky Kelly and Evans have it up there and Iowa soil I went there and I thought why did we take this away from the Native Americans? It's there's not a piece of Crawford County Iowa. That's flatter than a 40% slope. There's dirt road legit dirt roads not gravel dirt roads, it's your 2023 and they still have dirt roads and basically Farm the sides of mountains. I don't understand it. Speaking of Evans I want to get to you but I got a couple questions to Robert morecourt asked Temple. Are you mainly applying uan and sulfur through the Y tubes? I think he might mean YouTube's but what are you putting through there? I'm putting a fourteen Twenty Eight. Oh, so basically it's a 11:37. Oh mixture with the uan to get me at that ratio. That's basically what it is. By the way, that's an awesome image. If you're if you're watching this, you truly did engineer this. And that's that plan. There's yeah that Henderson in the audience you add that in. Oh, that's Chad Henderson, but that's Chad Splinter, but who engineered this system. I want to give credit where credit's due. I did. Okay, and I got a buddy of mine that makes them for me now. Got it. Temple said he and he puts Nutra charging Furrow. Is there a yield Advantage if you apply the second application of new charge at side dress time. So question is you're using neutral charge info. Is there a yield Advantage putting a second application a new charge during side dress? We may have we may have lost him my videos coming in and out. Okay, so we're we'll say this for temple If he if he can't get back on that's where we're going this year because Taylor if you give him a toy, there'll be no arms and legs on anymore. The head will be gone. I mean he has took that toy and done it every way you can do a toy. Maybe I shouldn't say toy. Maybe I should say. Don't truck or whatever. But anyway, long story short, he's got data from last year with the neutral charge where the the application on the wide drops really picked up some serious bushels. so we're going to use that data and we're going to do that probably in our second side dress. Because that's when our corn needs. You know more the phosphorus. So we really think that you know, the infer gives us a little bit of you know gives us a bump there but man when you put in that why drop situation, you know later in the year, it's making a big difference of keeping that phosphorus in the plant and like he said, It's not just the phosphorus but it unbines the calcium magnesium and everything else from that phosphorus. So if you take them all and unbond them all they're all gonna be able to be utilized where they work before. All right. So we Lost Temples connection, but the great thing is we got through all his stuff Lane and lost his camera there for a second. We had a lot of dialogue with Johnny Burrell on the fact he went away from two by two things about time to start getting us out of here and wrapping up this topic before doing remind you on May 4th. We have another one of his webinars the May 4th webinar. You don't want to miss it ever. It's the first Thursday of every month May 4th, June 1st, July 6th, May 4th. We're talking about focusing on early season plant Health your crops have emerged. Yeah, but even stand and now you're feeling pretty good about things now what now? Maybe they haven't done that by May 4th, but the point is we're getting ahead of the curve just like we have a podcast called cutting the curve. It's all about the curve here. We're gonna get ahead of the curve on May 4th and so about focusing on early season plan Health, we're gonna talk about going out and scouting. I'll talk about what you see. Do you need to be tissue sampling when you start tissue sampling early season play at Health how you can interpret what your fields are doing and then get a head of any problems for maximum yields. That's what we're doing on our May 4th webinar again first Thursday of every month. You want to be here Chad Henderson has a field day, May 11th. Madison Alabama, it's going to be a big one. I'm gonna be there temples gonna be there. The miles brothers are going to be there and we think that we think Chad's gonna be there after all to his farm. So we're going to be going out in the field. We're gonna do a lot of stuff where I'll be hosting panels, we're gonna be conducting interviews. So you know what it's in the afternoon basically by that time. It's only about 90 degrees in Madison, Alabama. So we're gonna start right at the hottest time of the day 3pm and take it right into the evening. The beer will taste good afterwards. So anyway, that's what's coming up. Let's get us out here Evans you were reluctant, you know and and gave us short answers and yelled at me when I asked you a question, but I also loved your information you talked about how the two by two comments the info and you've been doing it several years. What's the one thing for somebody that's really kind of new to two by two say like the miles guys or whatever that they need to know. What's one of your big ahas that you developed about product or utilization of the system that you think that maybe somebody could benefit from right now. Well, I think biggest thing has been humic acid and then we just rates based on gallons. We got some guys put up 40 gallons. So we're putting on more humic acid to handle that load, you know, we'll go up to a half gallon. Even three quarts on some high rate stuff just to have enough humic acid to buffer all that or complex all that nitrogen load out there. And one thing I think you know. I'll touch on for us, you know big thing with Kelly and us up here is just a seat carbonation ratio of things. We've been learning. It's we're looking at a different angle to at some places. We messed up with beans and stuff. We're gonna look at more carbon loading there more root enhancement products. Using it as a different thing to just more of a nitrogen placement tool for us. Anyways, looking at different products in that. That too, but two inch zone so to speak so we'll be doing quite a bit of that this year with guys. Got it. Uh Temple you're back on. So since you're one of the early adopters and innovators and you even created your own device to put on the back of your planter that now Chad Henderson is copying off you your YouTube again. Only thing I might just encourage you to do is get somebody. That's a marketing person to help you with the name. It seems like maybe YouTube's already been utilized by some entity somewhere. Anyway, what's your takeaway two by two? Thing that you think that somebody can learn from that we didn't cover in this webinar. microphone microphone mute Okay, how about that better now? Um You know don't be scared of it, you know, if you're not doing too but to you I feel like in a high yield environment corn and beans both I need it. I definitely needed in my soul type. I think that there's so many things that you can put on there up front that you can front load some of this stuff, you know, everything that we do out here is all about spoon feeding. This is part of the spoon feeding for me, you know, I've talked at you before doing a podcast about building the factory. This is part of this building that that factor for me. Yeah. I think that that's the neat part about this is that you know, Matt and Lane spoke about old days just blow all kinds of dry fertilizer out there is easy and at work, especially in their system work for most people's systems most farmers and all the countries systems, right and and all of North America and then wait a minute. There's a bunch that fertility it's getting down where the wheel is and where the water runs ain't doing them any good doing a lot of any good. So I really think there's about placement of the stuff and And we went I want to finish up with the miles speaking which we're going to Johnny what we learned there was he doesn't think the two by two doesn't work. It doesn't work currently in the method. He did it for him for a few reasons. And I think that's a big takeaway, but you're not done with it. You don't think that it's you don't think it's a lost cause I'll be back to about to cry next year. And then I want to go over to the miles. Your newest at it and even after you start using it you you said okay, but we're gonna improvise and change how we do it. So you're not done toying around with the system is my takeaway. Now, we're very excited about what we think we're getting because we've learned through the infer program which we didn't do, you know a few years ago the benefits and the bushes we pick up from that and everyone else is picking it up with tuba two, and I would just like Johnny we put it on a planner couldn't make it work took it back off. I was like it don't matter if it works or not. I can't make it work. It does not and with this new way of doing it with a streamer nozzles, you know, we think that we we're pretty excited about all the products we can add to our fertility and place it in the right place to make it work. What's the percentage of Acres you think? Not number of farmers but percentage of Acres. I thought we heard this once and say North America that utilize two by two. It's it's under 25% right? I think in for us probably 15% at Max so tuba two is gonna be less than that when you say Yeah, and that's what I'm hearing. We're gonna work if you're listening and but you know, but that's that's means one fifth or less one fifth one sixth of the Acres Farm and are by two by using the two by two system. So that's interesting. I'm gonna come back to that. John abrahamson asks could neutral charge be applied through fertigation. That's a question not. What do you think Temple? That's probably a question for temple or Evans up there with infero. Maybe I don't know. I'm sorry with a sub service. I'm that's a question that I had as well. I called the guys at agrotech and I asked him if I could use it through my communication and apply it out because we saw such huge benefits by putting on an another late season and it was just a 28005, you know late season and a wide dropped that. It was such a big bounce that I was like, you know, 75% of the plants needs for phosphorus happen in a reproductive stages. So, how can I make one more bang, you know one more touch in there try to be proactive not reactive. So I asked that question if we could put it in with a communication and and put it on with like the 28005. At tassel and answer that question is yes, you can do that and there is rates out there for that. There's been some studies done on it. We have not done any an extreme act that I know of but I can tell you there will be some this year. Cool, and I wanna I got a comment. I got my hand up. I hate teacher but Chad just sent me a text and he said I know it would work on a drill and that that's that's he's right. I mean, there's no question it would work because it's on the soul. Got working the sub-service Evans orlane. Yeah, I don't see reason why it wouldn't work. We're probably gonna use it this year. We won't have one field that we really have a good research on it's gonna be beans this year Kelly the one feel with seven zones that we can do stuff. So we won't have a great side by side, but we'll try and see what the tissues and stuff tell us as well. So our soil even so well, we'll run it through it. But I think we're going to wrap it up. I want to do a wrap and then see if there's anything else if there's any questions get them typed in right now because you're gonna get out of here again. This has been a great dialogue what we're applying on our two by two this spring or not. And that was the thing with what we learned here. I learned something first off. I've been doing a fear that I didn't know about two by two until I joined extreme Ag and we know now that only maybe 15% of the Acres farmed in North America used the two by two. There's one thing that I think it's really cool about what happens extreme egg. You learn about a lot of stuff everybody shares what they know. They also share their failures. This is not a perfect system just yet. If it was perfect miles wouldn't have had to go and create the four stream. Zip tie mechanism. If it was perfect Johnny vorel would still be using it and adding it even more if it was perfect. Temple wouldn't have engineered the YouTube Drop and then have that idea stolen phone by Chad Henderson. The point is it's working and you're getting a lot of benefit out of it. But I think it sounds like we still got another Evolution to go and nobody's bashing on the manufacturers of YouTube's just that we're out here on the front edge saying what can we do to get bigger yield? So I guess my big takeaway here is maybe stay tuned because maybe we're another iteration away from the technology to really make this thing work and I guess I'll throw it out there as my last question. Are we still one iteration of technology away from two by two really being the end all do all to where it goes to 80% of the Acres Farm? Johnny you're one of the people that obviously has a lot to say on this incidentally my tribute to Johnny every time I have him on here. He's a Murray State guy. I would say. time but the the Slowdown effect of actually having to fill up all the time. I keep both Farmers. She adopt it 100% The Slowdown will keep adoption. Well, yeah get fill up every 40 acres 30 Acres depending on your right. Because what Johnny is saying we kind of running the same Lane there, but we have learned in Lane you Greer disagree. Slowing down we've had to we've had to slow down but slow down to do it right instead of I've always been weird about acres per day. You know, how many acres were getting for planner how many acres were getting per day and I've learned through the guys at extreme AG maybe you don't need to get that many Eggers take a hundred fifty Acres off and do it right instead of just massive going out there and slinging stuff out and making a subpar you yeah a bunch of Acres a bunch of Acres done fast doesn't yield better. In fact, it yields worse than a bunch of Acres done, right? Yeah, I think in the end your pocketbook will be better if you slow down a little bit and I'm not a slow down guy you guys Lane and and do it, right? So what about my point that this is cool, but we're still not at a perfect system. If we were you three one of you would still have it on and two of you wouldn't have had to sort of doctor up a newly engineered ideas. So we're still we're still on the we're still on the Ascend on making this a viable thing for most farmers. Yeah. Well, I think some of that too is like just the application a lot of people think of as a nitrogen application, you know, and that's probably when you guys agree like 90% of guys use two by twos for nitrogen, right? So like you know stuff maybe temples area where it's probably a little more phosphorous based at least that's the questions I get all the time. So I think as we evolve in the maybe the products and things like that and maybe we don't have to go out there for 30 gallons an acre. Maybe it's 10 with a different slew of stuff. Who knows what it'll be that'll get more adoption too because that is those guys are right, I mean Our friend up north. He runs 50 gallons an acre and he's carrying a pot load on his planner and you know, that's that's a lot of work. So I think that's that could be the evolution down the road. I think we're gonna leave it right there. I like to look to the evolution down the road. Thanks, Mike Evans for wrapping it up for us. Thanks Temple for coming back on Matt and Lane miles. Thanks for being here for bargain song sharing your experience and your pictures and your images and also Temple for your Ingenuity and then obviously Johnny verrell for the feedback for the somebody saying maybe this isn't even quite right for me. Maybe I got some of these own issues. So that's what we're here for sure the information also everybody's been a little private stream over here talking about our man will our producers t-shirt. Nobody noticed mine. I get a lot of grief from these guys that I'm not a real farmer because I don't have big equipment but you know what I'm kind of poor and I operate down here to Southwest. I have a donkey so I call it Juan deer. That's my machine. I'm you know, I'm a wander guy not a John Deere guy. Take care. Thanks for being here. Thanks for your questions. We will see you on May 4th and then we'd like to see you again. If you're anywhere close to Madison, Alabama be a Chad Harris and field day. It'll make it'll be well worth your time to go there and learn. Thanks so much for being here till next time David Mason on be extreme AG

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