RESULTS AND LESSONS FROM 2022 SOYBEAN FOLIAR TREATMENTS

All right. Let's get started here. Also last reminder if you want to contribute, if you want to question, if you want to discuss something go ahead and type it into the chat feature or click raise your hand take your cursor mode around your screen. You'll see at the bottom a raise your hand or you can see chat. You don't need to text us. You don't need to text us. You can do the chat or you can just you can just raise your hand. We'll get it to you but best thing is just to type in your question in there and we'll get it to you. All right, we're talking about soybean foliers. What we did what we used what we saw a reminder that in our winter meetings. We will have all of the data compiled. It'll be a lot more thorough a lot more broken down when we do this in January and February like we did last year or last winter. Right. Now we're talking about anecdotal stuff. What these guys saw from the combine Seas what they saw when they were out there scouting fields in June July August September what they saw that was working what they are learning what they saw that maybe didn't work why it didn't work. That's kind of what we're talking about here. So we will have more complete and fact, we'll have complete and thorough results come winter, but now we're talking about soybean results from Fuller treatments that we have so far and also from our observations get Temple roads from Maryland who got the miles Farms with Lane and Matt, they're Economist and business partner Rob Deadman. We got Chad Henderson from Madison, Alabama. We've got Kelly Garrett from area in Iowa and Mike Evans along with him who is his business partner agronomist and also they run integrated AG Solutions. Let's lead it off with who wants to be lead off Kelly. You are excited. You called me this morning. Let's start off with you. I always start with Matt he gets mad. So I start off with you Kelly Garrett, you did a couple of things. We shot us on this very subject when we were up there. When will and I were there about using Castle calcium. Throughout the season to add skeletal strength to your soybeans. That's not necessarily A foliar because the thing we talked about was going through your dripp irrigation, but you don't have drip irrigation on all of your soybean Acres. So you did use it as a fool here. Let's lead off with that. One of your big things was increasing skeletal strength, so they could hold up bigger pods and more of them talk about that. So working with Jason fly the next Little Egg the agronomist that we work with in our good friends. He told me that our biggest nutrient deficiency across all crops was calcium. And calcium is a challenge to work with because it's a double positive charge and you know, all those chemistry type things. It's hard to it is hard to work with because it doesn't mix. Well things like that. Liberate CA from agril liquid is one of the best products. If not the best product that we have found to be able to co-mingle with other other fertility folio products. And then also if you remember last year we had some beans we thought we're gonna make a hundred they made 80, but we feel that there was 20 bushel on the ground because the plants just physically couldn't support themselves. So, you know Mike Evans Jason and I, you know, we decided mostly Evans that we're gonna make a V2 application of liberate CA to try and improve the skeletal structure of these plants. And I have the data here. It's one of the trials that we finished today to again and analyze the data and the cost of this treatment was $15. And it returns 3.3 bushel. And that the only variable here is the liberate. So the cost is the cost of the treatment is 15 and a return 45 dollars. That's a three to one return $30 net per acre on just calcium. You know Jason's statement that calcium is our biggest nutrient deficiency really seems to hold true in these soybeans and it'll be a process or application. That's pretty widespread here next year. We did our February recap of products and results. I remember that we really talked about we're willing to go out there if it's a two to one return, but when something becomes a three to one return and we've got the data to the back it up. We think a three to one return justifies in this case. The only variable was this calcium input and you bumped it by a little over three bushes. So it's it works. Absolutely. So Damian, it might do anything to contribute on that. So without fifteen dollars, it's eight dollars a product and I figured in seven dollars of application because they're making an extra pass. So I wanted to account for that. So that's what that 15 means. Okay, so Eight dollar per acre of product and seven dollars of application costs. So there you go. Big takeaway. You made a big point about this. We used calcium more than you have because of Schlage point to you. You used it through sub-service drip use it through full air your your pretty well sold on the calcium being a limiting factor that you can easily correct, right? Absolutely it is Evans Yeah, um, definitely even with some of the irrigation beans that we have we have I'm gone on the data compiled but they're the one Fields looking really good where we push a little more calcium to the drip even. so I don't know maybe the best that you've had on that farm Kelly eventually. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, the count calcium calcium is a very big deal for us. It's frustrating for me because we we it's child. It's frustrating for me because the challenge here's too much calcium in our oil tying up the other nutrients and here we're applying more calcium to make our yields better. It seems counterintuitive. But yeah, Jason was right. It's what we need to do. Okay, while we're sticking with you and we're gonna come back for one of your last ones. But you you want to contribute to Lane Matt whenever we're going next but also you've got something neat that you're doing. It has nothing to do with foliers, but you've changed you change gears on soybeans last year you dedicated some Acres of soybeans this year you dissocated way more or maybe all of them. Tell me about that. Yes, because of Matt miles The Godfather of desiccation as I would say, we we desiccate all our soybeans. It's one of the biggest things in my farming career to have the top three biggest thing to happen here and I give all the credit to Matt. Mike Evans is the expert in in our area on doing it because he's learned from Matt and Robin and one of the things I'm excited about was soybean desiccation is in our Northern latitude. How many more cover crops were able to get in because of that the carbon markets? I'm involved in the soil Health initiatives. I'm involved in wanting to do that desiccation moves our Harvest up to if not three weeks and that's a huge game changer for us on cover crops and it's just an added bonus to the desiccation program and and something that you know, I just want people to be aware of that. I'm very happy about. Yeah, I mean this is not is a little bit off the soybean foliar thing. But really it's not because you did foliar treatments on soybeans to get yield to get yield to yield and then when you decide they're done you kill that's what notification is. You would not kill them. And the thing is it bumped it manages your time a little bit because now you're spreading out your harvest season, but more importantly in your part of the world Northwest Iowa my part of the world Northeast, Indiana the excuse commonly is I can't do cover crops because my my main crop doesn't come off in time. I can't get established. You give yourself two and a half to three more weeks. That's a world of time to then get a cover crop established you cover cropping almost all your soybean Acres. Yes, we are. We're trying, you know, two and a half three. It's a complete Game Changer. It just takes the work out of harvest really it takes all the stress off of it, you know in a Northern latitude. You're always looking at the calendar. I got to get done. I got to get done. You know, the weather's Gonna Change and there's a saying two days one day of harvest in September's were two days in November and it's absolutely true statement because of the way our weather can change here. And then the cover crop you're putting on I know a little bit off but since people are probably wondering so we talked about it after you desiccated. Then you harvested soybeans are in you got that done. You're putting cover crops on almost all of your soybean Acres. What's the cover crop? It's a it's about a 45 to 50 acre blend. It's going to be 1/3 Rye 2/3 oats, and then there's gonna be some other nitrogen fixing product in there. You know, we were experimenting with different different, you know, small grains hairy vetch kale winter peas things like that to see what works out the best, you know, but the the basis of the mix is two thirds oats one third dry. Okay and two thirds one third one. Right. Okay, by the way Evans putting something there to help get nitrogen. You can't use a clover type product because it won't establish this late in the season. Is that the answer? Yeah. Appreciate your one appreciate your one word answers. This is this is this is this is very helpful to our listeners right here. Good talk Mike. Good talk. Yeah. The Rye what what the cover crop specialist tell us is that the Clover products, you know what the kit with the residual chemicals that we use on corn and soybeans makes it hard to establish a clover product. You're a little more sensitive to that. So the vet the peace the kale all those things are a better route to go and that's kind of experience for us. But that's why I say we're experimenting with those to see what can happen. Right the obvious thing would be just use red clover, but they really stared us away from that. Right. Okay, we're gonna come back to you about one other thing you want to cover but let's make sure we stick with soybean foliar what we learned what we saw Lane miles. You've gotten data. My miles has a commentary on his years of experience and then Rob Deadman's gonna give the agronomic perspective Lane. What do you got? You you're the old man's The Godfather desiccation means he knows how to kill soybeans. Whoo good for him. What about growing good soybeans and using foliers to get it done. Did you do it? Well, we did it. I'm not gonna say I did it. But but yeah, we had a it this year, you know, obviously we've talked about several times heat killed it. Oh, so a few of our folders We didn't see a whole lot. We did have one that stood out pretty good. And that was with Concept bag. two shots of Fire Health and Sweet Success and had a pretty big broad range as far as our Bush was there we got in our plots, but we averaged about seven bushels. Of having that biohealth and police success shot. So the two products from concept agrotech. Would you think gave you a seven bushel advantage and the products again were what? About help and please accept biohealth and Sweet Success biohealth isn't that the one they they call it a crop enhancement product, but it also acts as fungicide enhancement. Is that what I'm remembering? We're gonna go with crop enhancement. Okay, gravity management, and then Sweet Success is a sugar product. Yes. Yeah, hence the name Sweet Success. All right. So across all your acres are just on the stuff you trial. This is doubledrive. We started to go across our Acres, but we had never tried it and I think we may you know, I may be speaking out of time. We may try it on a few more Acres next year. Okay, there's is there anything that you saw that made would make you say you I mean what why not go across all Acres seven acres is worth doing it, right? Well one year's data. I'm a we'll definitely try some more. Matt you said that you think that you could have had even bigger results from Soul soybean foliers except the Heat Whacked, you tell us about that. Yeah, the heat the heat was a pretty big determination on you know on our yields in general all of our yields on every crop is kind of weird because we started with corn we've seen about a seven percent decrease in yield got to the soybeans seven percent decrease in yield got to the rice it followed the same soup. So, you know, we know that the nighttime temperatures really hurt us bad and and I was doing an article today with Delta Farm press and you know plants are so much like humans. you know you and you know this diamond because you exercise a lot or you do a lot of running the hiking or whatever, you know, if you do that all night long 24/7 You're not gonna make you're not gonna make it very well and and our plants have to respire at night. And that's where you know, everybody's hot during the day. I'll agree with that. I mean even even Kelly's hot during the day, but in night times most of the time a lot of the areas besides the Mid-South cooldown or maybe shouldn't say Mid-South. I should say East to where I can include Chad. Yeah because he got some horror stories on corn this year, but we never our plants never get a chance to risk. It's you know, we treat our plants like we do humans. So if if you know if I call it preventive maintenance, so we we apply a lot of products to keep the plant healthy to reduce stress. Same thing with a human. If you're sick you get up you get a medicine, you know, if we see a plant see they get a mess, but what we try to do is give them the medicine or maybe not the medicine but the the health Factor Prior to getting sick. So it's kind of like preventive maintenance from there. We had six six or seven so far. We still got some trials to go, you know soybean trials. We've had two with positive response. So, you know, but do you do you look at that as okay? This year these two shine maybe there's four or five that didn't or you know, how many years are we gonna have this kind of heat? You know, I hope not much, you know, maybe one or two out of ten. So, you know, it's it's really confusing this year. I know Chad's have some trials that basically There there's you know, he's not even gonna be able to show them because the Heat and the drought and everything we've had so it's been a wild year. It's been it's been like right riding a bucking bull, you know from June on trying not to get that off. So the question is when we talk about you said this when we were down there, when will and I were there and May and Rob made a big Point as well as you about this. It's you've always had extreme heat during the day in the Delta Region. It's what you what you do, but if you get the cool down Factor at night that plant can can recover you didn't have that you had exceptionally warm hot nights. It had an impact which brings me then if we're talking about soybean foliers. If you think your beans underperformed or didn't do nearly what they could have because of the stress, why not more stressed mitigations as foliers isn't there an option there? Rob Deadman, you're the agronomist. Is there something we could have been doing to eliminate or at least reduce the stress through a full year product? you know, maybe so Damian, I think he must remember us but it's we're talking about the heat that we dealt with this summer. Was according to meteorologist and weather records was a third hotter Summer and the in the Delta on whether history. So, you know, you're looking at one of the most of the products that we we use most of the varieties that we plant. Let's say all of them they've never seen this level of heat that we saw this summer for the length of time. Um, I think you know stress mitigation products. They're great. They've got you it burns like we're in right here. They can't. You know not all of them have got the ability to to manage that that level of stress. Well, you're you're a bad spot right there, but I think that it's you need to you do move closer to good internet. If you heard whatever you say what I know what he's trying to say, we he and I Lane have discussed this there's a certain level stress mitigation go to a certain level when you get past that level. You know, that be like me trying to line up against Tom Brady and try to yeah, so the point where you know, and and I really think and and I may be wrong and I'm not bragging by no means, you know, our yields were still. I'm gonna say our years will still ten or fifteen percent above the normal County not the county average, but normal good farmer here. So even though We had a tough time, you know, our yields are down. They probably work down as much as if we didn't use a stress mitigation products if that makes sense. Yeah, so stress mitigation products only can do so much at some point. You're still dealing with extreme weather Lane. We let off with you talk about the numbers. What else you're in your ten season of being a farmer. What's your what's your observation from a foliar standpoint? What what's your you're talking about? You're gonna add you're gonna probably add Acres with some of the stuff next year as you're any other takeaway from the foliers you use this year. Oh, we still got a lot of failures out. And and that's because they're on wheat beans. We should get to a lot of those. I'm Gonna Save Monday. but by the way, there's a person that's listening to this. That doesn't refer to double crop beans as wheat beans. Explain that right. Yeah. Sorry double crop Bean wheat Bean same thing, but we still got we still think they're big. Five four years left I think out there. A lot of a lot of our soybean foliers went out for wheat beans, but but our main our main was that bioeth Sweet Success. We got a little bit out of cowboy. So I think that I think it was two or three bushels. We got out of cowboy. But, you know concept really shine this year. Your beans that went in Lane following we happened in what time frame? Planning date. Yep. Oh, man, I had to go back look up first first to you for two weeks of June. Yeah, so first two weeks of June so the foliar treatments you're putting on them Harvest on those Harvest on your double crop beans that are following wheat is going to be happening in about the next. Month right two to four weeks Monday. So you're starting on Monday? Okay, hopefully oh Okay, so you're gonna start having you're gonna have more of an observation and more of a result on what the foliers on on double crop beans. Did you anticipate that you'll get more bang for your buck on foliers because you got later in the season and you finally got cold or nights Matt. You know, I really do you know, Rob says this a lot, you know, you can plant corn really early. And you miss the the you know heat during pollination. Are you plant corn really late? And you miss that and I think that's what happened with our wheat beans this year. They you know, they're not gonna be record Eagles or anything for you know beans in general, but I think we're gonna have one of the best double crop being situations we've had and I think it missed a lot of the heat. I know it missed the quality issues. So, you know, I really think that we're going to see some positive results out of the I can tell you this on our corn and our beans everything we planted later which is not normally the case has been higher yields and what we planted earlier, you know out of you know, I kind of promote. Excuse me. I kind of promote early planning beans because that that's a number one yield influencer we have on how you'll beans. Yes Marley. I'm not saying February, you know, we had the February plot, but just in general if we can plant beans two to three weeks earlier than we used to five years ago. We get a yield ball. This year's gonna be one of those years that that's not going to be the case. All right. So now Rob looks like he has a signal the answer from Lane and Matt and Rob. I'm wondering if it's this your stress mitigation and foliers has stress mitigation for the early the normal season beans it does what it can and it does get you something maybe up to seven bushels. But when you're extreme heat at night, you just can only do so much. You might get more bang for your foliar stress mitigation product Buck on your second crop beans because you finally start getting cooler nights. Is that fair to say I think oh I will say as far as visual difference, you know like that. We still got several plots out as far as business different. Mean to our run by the week beings the other day and Barone bio stood out pretty good the PACE Center Haven. You there? There was a visual difference. I'm not saying that it's necessarily A. You know your difference there, but I mean we need to drive by down the gravel road and and you're like, oh stop. Hey, what's What's Happening Here? I pull up the the application map and and Sam. There it is. We're sitting on a line of our own bow. Your own bios Pacesetter. That's the that's the stuff that you're thinking visually looks like it's it's doing its job for you. You look pretty good. All right, Rob last thoughts on the way out before we go to Chad and Temple. You know when when we put all these plots out. I try not to pay attention to where we're putting what? Because whenever I'm gonna have a blast opinion you work with varieties unless it's something that I know I'm gonna have to pay attention to that way. You don't have a boss opinion towards one company or another probably one of the better. better double crop being crops I've ever laid my eyes. And I think it has to do with a lot of the different products that have been put out there. I just say that if anybody's sitting on spare cash and they're looking at Investments, it looks like cell phone towers and internet connectivity in in the Delta region of Arkansas is still an underserved infrastructure area. So maybe here I am right about that. I go ahead and make that comment. He lives 65 miles from here. He is not in the Delta where he's at right now. He's in pine trees everywhere. You look so down here. It's flat. I don't know what's wrong with lines. He's got a little communication problem, but problems is definitely not being in the devil. All right, Kevin joined us since since we got started looks like he's in a piece of equipment so he may or may not be able to hear from him. He might have connectivity's issues as well. My friend Chad. One of the things that we want to hear from you about is your spray Tech results, but you don't have all results in you do wheat beans all so many double crop beans and Alabama you do have early beings results lessons takeaways observations, whatever you can share with this examples as it relates to foliar products great on soybeans. What do you got? nothing Nothing by the way, did you get speaking you speaking tips from Mike Evans? Were you answer everything with one word? Yes. So we got all of our trials that we have on our double crop beans. We're looking at desiccating them probably Wednesday Tuesday Wednesday. So we're probably week to 10 days out on harvest with those and then we'll be coming in and y'all better. Have you paying in paper ready? Because we got about eight trials on two farms, and I don't know if any of it will mean anything to anybody probably not even me. But because you know Matt's told me before we talked about it several times on a double crop being y'all. It's just really hard, you know, and that's what that's what I deal with a lot. Um is a double crop beans. It's really hard for me to do much that makes a difference. And you know Planet soon as you can. And that's about it because it's and and I hope that I'm wrong on about seven or eight or ten different products this year. You know because we've got that many different we've got seven different trials out different company trials out, you know this year with up to from one to up to four applications. So, like I said, I hope I'm wrong so don't take many beans pay for it. But it's the beans look do look good. So your double crop beans look good. You don't do a lot of normal planted beans where you're putting them out in March, you know. Yeah, I do. I mean we probably have 1500 Acres but there when I say normal plant for us will be in the river bottoms and they're in the second week of May. So they're not real early. And with the way my wheat Market is here, you know, unlike like Kevin or Kelly, you know, they have a lower may even Matt has a lower amount of wheat, you know, we're looking at it they 500 800 acres or so, you know, we try to play it 2000 to 2500 Acres of double crop because my wheat Market's good and we we just seen do better with wheat and double crop beans other than just regular season beans. so but one thing we do need to talk about at some point is when you talk about some say treatments on some wheat because there's some good looking sea treatments when you talk about some of these companies, you know, they've got some good looking sea treatments out. So I know the wheat plant is coming around the corner here for a lot of folks or some of them's in the middle of it right now and how court and how far north you are. So there's definitely some things to look at there. Well, if you go and say I'm gonna go ahead and say Chad I did the numbers today. You you've been pushing me to do the numbers and with the wheat prices where they are today and the beans where they are today. I will not be a small wheel pump wheat farmer next year. Well, you know what? We're got plenty of time. We're on soybean foliers and Chad brought it up. So we did the wheat wager between all the extreme AG guys which Matt miles one and and I presume the award at the Hefty field day and baltics South Dakota at the end of July and we talked about whether you would stay with wheat and what you describe now. Yes, if you're talking about five or six dollar we you have no interest you said if it's Pope above eight to eight and nine. It makes a lot of sense for you in the Delta. Is that what's happening it does and I'll be honest with you when you say Matt miles on a weight wager. That was Matt miles Kevin Matthews Kelly here Lee Loopers and Chad. So we all helped each other in Temple. And so that that wasn't just me. But yeah what I've learned I've learned so much this year and and I did the same thing two years ago or when when XA started it's Inception with corn, you know, listen these other guys that you know, or are doing a you know, how you corn and I learned so much from them when we done a better job with the corn and last year same thing happened with wheat, so, you know if you need a reason to join it XA Just listen to these guys because they've made me a lot but a lot more successful farmer than I was before I joined. All right. So since we're talking about Soviet foliers, and we'll we'll get back to that in specific. But let's talk about what you're just saying there you're gonna stick you're gonna stick more wheat in the ground winter wheat winter wheat, meaning you're gonna be doing it yet this year and and because it makes sense to be doing wheat beans more and then Chad's gonna do the same amount you go. Are you gonna Pony up more Acres next year Chad? Um, well we stay somewhere around that same acreage. We we got to kind of rule of thumb that we don't like to put over 800 to 900 Acres on them combine and we have three of them. So it just kind of fits we want to gather our weed in 10 days and get her beans planted back soon as possible and you can get too much wheat to where your Wheats going downhill and it's falling out or it's getting too dry. And then you're getting your beans planted and you can shoot yourself in the foot on both sides. So it's it's a real fine line to balance there between getting the weed out and get the beans planted back. Yeah. I remember when I was in Madison, Alabama, you talked a lot about you. It's not that you couldn't do more. It's that you can't do more right and you talked about the acres per combine based on the amount of time that you want to the time frame to harvest it when Harvest it right and then also get your beans in the ground. So what foliers did you the spray Tech stuff we talked about used out on your soybeans and use down double crop soybeans, right? So so double crop so it means what you'll be looking forward to From me is from about every company. I've got to agx plot out here. I've got a Nature's plot. I've got an agler liquid plot. I've got a Teva plot. I've got a maroon maroon bio as Pacesetter emerging and Haven plot got a spray Tech plot. So how many is that? Six? Yeah. You just named six. You said it got two more this this I'd like the name but they're not sponsors yet. So, all right. So Chad's gonna be giving us a whole bunch of results on is double crop beans and how foliers help them. What the bump was if they didn't help him. He's gonna have all that data compiled those beans are gonna harvested starting in two weeks and then you'll have your results about what month that month the six weeks from now. No, we'll have it. I mean you won't be hard. It'll be right behind so I mean, it'll be, you know, three weeks out. Give me a few days. Get the data compiled. But but you know, it was it was we got a lot coming. And then you say treatment has some good stuff coming in safe treatments. Say treatment see treatment seed treatment believe that our January and February webinars will be the complete reveal of the data and the analysis and the results from our product trials. We did it in February and early March this year, but we will get ahead of that a little bit this this winter. I assume probably and be January February wheels that same reason Yeah, and that's something. You got one man here that talks all the time. Caught on him yet, and he's like each and I know I can I can I know him well enough to know no and he the best Bean producer of everybody on this webinar. I will say that he my butt so many times that's b******* the best being producer of anybody on this webinar Temple roads my body from Maryland. Would you please tell us and skipped instead of taking Caroline to dinner tonight for her birthday joining us to share wisdom with you. So, you know what dear listeners viewers business partners appreciate what this guy's doing for us because he put you in front of a birthday date with his wife. I have a feeling right? I feel like it's live. That's the main thing. He's gonna be in a dog out simple give it to you. What do you got and I can lead you right into it. You've got three products you want to talk about one of them. You don't have any results for yet two of them you do and we will Get more in-depth on this in the January February webinars when we're really breaking down results, but preliminary results on the three agx. You don't have the results yet. But what you saw yet, or you and Chad did as you excited tell me why. So we did a ag Explorer plot and Chad and I talked a lot about this early on and I talked with Rob as well on it. And we wanted to put something out really really late. We felt like we were leaving something on the table. So we're talking about seven to ten days after Brown still and we went in there and I sent some stuff to Chad and I was like man, what are you think and he was like, I'd send it myself good because I already put it on the airplane. It's over here. So, um, we talked about it and we We'd been talking about it all along. But when we got to that thing when we were on a combine last week, we were like what and the heck is going on. We pulled the NCGA pop out of it and it's pretty incredible. It's a significant difference. I don't even want to say how many bushels it's different. All I can say is it never showed up on ndvi at all? September second or seventh or something like that. So it showed up really stayed real green. It was fantastic. So having said that we also put it on we changed up the regimen just a little bit but still the agx plot and we did it on soybeans as well and I fell I followed up a regiment from AG acts anyway on my soybeans along with some from another company from nutrient Loveland, but we've done a bunch of stuff and I'm really excited to get to the soybean trials from what we saw such late season on the corn trials. We were really really shocked. Yeah, so we don't have results on that. We will come January February or even sooner than that. We will divulge them probably at our webinars where we do all of our results in our data, but the main thing is you're seeing enough already and you've been at this game isn't your first rodeo you're saying? I'm expecting pretty big things. Well, I'm expecting that to be good. I hope Wait good. He sent me a picture this morning and he said look at this. Here's a line where we did the late season and then I seen him one back of a yield Matt and I said look at my land and he's like, oh, so it was it was like pretty close. I guess. We was pretty close in the same thing. We put out last year and it was I mean, it was funny how it proved the same lines and You know bushel wise and it was it was pretty phenomenal that it done that you know. because when we're talking late season y'all this is late like this is This is late. Yes, everybody else is going this is one. Everybody else is like we're done. It's over. I mean three weeks. I mean three weeks before Harvest we're talking about Yeah, like maybe even closer to actually yeah for the comments are rolling and you're still up putting treatments on the corn. It was it was it was probably a month. I wouldn't it was something anyway, it was oh it was I'll go back and look but it was minimum three. All right. Well, then answer me this that same product and that same logic. If you do on your beans, you don't have the results yet. When was your treatment on beans, you know like three weeks before the combine rolls on beans. I did it yellow I did the same time as I did corn. We just changed regiment a little bit but I probably wasn't quite as late. I was probably five weeks for where four week. Yeah, probably four weeks four three four weeks out from Harvest. I got another about a week. I'd be Harvest on if it wasn't for all this rain that we got but back to that desiccation thing. Let's just tell everybody the truth about that that s*** is addictive and you probably shouldn't try it if you're not ready for it. Because I overwhelmed went overboard. It's matched fault. Chad had a lot to do with it. They pushed me and I went way overboard and I got all this crop out there that's ready to cut and I'm sitting on six inches ring. So it's all your fault. So wait and Hold on diamond. I want to I want to interject there. So I was in the text with the yield him. Can you mute him? No, okay, all these late yield maps that they had with with their calm folio that I didn't I I didn't have one to see in and Chad and I were together in South Dakota week or so go and I told Jenna said I said temples on crack. I told him before you can only do so much a day. And he would text me and said I did 600 acres. I did 400. I'm like I told Chad. He's fixing a really screw up here and I'm probably if you got six inches rain coming you probably. may need to rethink that and we'll this is when they were calling for a hurricane, but it was like so far out. I was like I think we're gonna be okay wrong Pitbull and man and and Chad and everybody else on this. The desiccades Kelly that desiccades means for the person that's never done this, you know, frankly. I never heard of it until I hooked up with you guys. What's the danger in having too many beans killed ready for Harvest? Well, the answer is when the weather comes in. So explain that Matt and Temple. Almost good, Matt. I don't. and this I shouldn't say this probably on a webinar, but I still haven't found out where desiccation arms beans. I mean when you have damage we I did that. I I descaded I did the temple thing. I got on crack trying to get a dollar 80 premium a bushel on my beans did a bunch our weather changed and they were dedicated for a while. And I mean we had damage before we decade them. So I I'm not I don't I don't promote this. I've probably take in 10 calls this week about desiccation from different extreme AG members and and just people in general but I'm still not I see I'm still not proving that the decision hurts quality. You know, I think that there may be a little more shattering because it's like wet and dry wet and dry. So the part, you know, when you do something that much the park the the Pod liner kind of gets. a little bit I guess. fragile but how many now I'm making fun of Temple, but I'm still not I'm still not the opinion that decade beans and waiting longer than you should. Or that we think we should is is a problem. You know, I just want everybody that I talked to I want them to just be careful with it because you know, it's everything in farming is supposed to be a science desiccation is more of an art. You know and why why risk that with a weather Factor if you don't have to that's what I always tell people all the time is, you know, there's no need a risk in it. If you don't get four five days of rain, wait till the rains over with but I'm still not convinced that it that it hurts the quality. And I know last year in in Georgia when we had a bunch of damage beans the beans even that I didn't desiccate was the same amount of damage as the beans are desiccated. All that patient does is weaken the liner if weakens the outside pod, so you don't have as much protection over the Bean if you get a weather event that's real long or you get one weather being ain't bad and then it dries and you can go the field that ain't bad. It's when you get one and it dries a little and then you get another one and it drives this little and you get another one that's when the break down for us started to happen. But I'm with Matt. I don't think he's like, oh, we're gonna cause damage in the beans because I don't I don't I see Zero in that it just that whole so Chad to your point. If your beans had just mature naturally and you haven't killed them to bump up the harvest date and you had that wet. Dry cold wet dream. It had done that your beans would be getting losing quality Anyway, right I mean if it happened on its own course the same amount I had the same percent of damage and beans that was desiccated and beans that was not dissocated is what I'm saying. And so we went out and looked at some range Rob did. Oh, I don't know he's off video. So I'm not sure where he's at on it in the pine trees. But you know, he went out and looked at him before he decade him. He said Matt you got three to four to five pods damage per plant prior to desiccation. So when we cut the beans That's what that's what image was it and and I sat there a while, but I just you know, the Pod wall is a big deal, but I really don't I'm still up. I'm not as scared of it as I was two years ago. I would say that. The the one thing I've noticed we had we dedicated before all that rain Temple and a lot of beans we got a lot of Acres dedicated but we've got mild cool weather and we're not seeing any damage. It's the Heat and the wet weather is what gets you and as far north as you are right there with your cooler climate. But especially when you go from where mad is always up to your place. I think the desiccation is gonna be a whole lot easier for you and you're just not going to have the issues that they have specially down in Georgia Chad had last year without hot wet weather. Well one reason I got so addicted to it Kev is because I was telling that and Chad and that like all of our turnarounds. I mean, we got a lot of woods like you got around all the edge of our fields and we would we just went in and we just take the turn room and maybe a bottom here there and all the sudden I could cut the whole field and I have you know little mama beings that I was all mixed in the loot and it made a big difference. I'm like, oh, yeah watch this but more and that's what got me so addicted like hey we can get in these fields and go ahead and cut and then instead of like dancing around and leaving this field and leaving this little bottom and leaving it man. We were like, I'm like yo watch this. So yeah, it's it is very very addictive. That's for sure. Yeah. I mean we do every acre now thanks to Matt and guys and I mean, it's like Matt said Matt gets better every year and we learn more from him on it and Rob and I love Kelly all of us like it This is turn a bit into a soybean desiccation webinar. But the main thing is that's okay because we're here to help people improve their operation and do stuff based on our experience and more importantly your experience as we always say we make the mistakes. You don't have to Kevin Matthews hopped in he was in a machine harvesting and driving back until just recently. Do you have any soybean foliar results not not data but anecdotal from the combine seat or from Summer and Analysis of being in the field you have anything takeaways lessons observations based on a soybean foliar program you did this year that you didn't do last year. The only beans I've got to cut soybeans that I've got to harvest has been the the research Farm down at Coloma. and that was I was kind of disappointed and and the yields on it. I mean there was 100 bushel beans but most yield we seen was into 120s. It was I mean, it just wasn't no blow you no record stuff there the one variety what was no record stuff. What was the number you said? No record. I say I had a 120 stood out. But I mean we didn't I mean we've seen 200 Bush was on that farm in places and we would I mean we was nowhere near that. So once you see something like that you feel like you're supposed to repeat it, but that's easier said than done Matt's better repeating than I am, but we did break the hundred mark again that's about five years straight now that we broke the hunter Bush Mark the one thing I noticed and we're not seeing the highs in our yields this year. Corn or soybeans. We're seeing a better average. And that's what pays the bills but we're not seeing those great big yields that we historically see and I really think at that heat that Matt and Chad's talked about. I think it played a beer role almost and we realized I thought we'd done our mild or nice give us more time to relax the plants and we would the plant the crops look much better than what the yields are. Although the farm outages are better. It's you know than what we've seen in the past if that makes sense. The say that statement again the crops are better than they yields are. So what you said I say the farm averages are a little bit higher. We're probably in the top three of our corn crop yields. And this may be the best Bean crop We've Ever Raised in in the top two anyway, but look, we've not seen those big huge. NCGA yields and and yield contest and I kick your less about your contest when you farm averages at the tops. That's where you wanted that but it's just too early to say on the foliers. It just seem like I didn't see this size the seed up. Like I normally do on that farm, but there Danielle's cutting down on the farm tonight and they're sitting there. You know, that's a dry land farm and it's doing very very well and that it's like 20 bushels above normal for that farm. is because Yes, sir. No doubt. I mean it's like Temple just talked about and Chad in that there's so much you can do real late and it's gonna be interesting to see our data. I mean I was putting I spent and foliers out on corn. You know a week before black layer and same with soybeans. We was we was putting foliers out and and it was like 10 days later. We was desiccating that same field and that just don't make sense. But we'll see how it works out. It's gonna be interesting. It's a common theme we had with Chad and with temples also, so is there any product that has your interest peak that you really want to see what the results are like, it looks looks and sounds good so far and you want to see you're eager to see the data. I just want to see the end of harvest. Oh, Damian, I mean we've got so many trials and so many replications. The one product that has really stood out. I'm not got permission to talk about it yet. So that's gonna be interesting to see how that worked. It was a totally different never been used in that format. But it I did see the date on that. It was quite impressive. So we'll see when they let me talk about it if that has a different things he's doing he's taking his whole send it thing to the next level. It's all about hashtag send it. He's gonna keep putting it on. He might got there be applying foliers like really have a boo in front of the combine real you never know. He's really he's really going overboard thinking about we're actually thinking about, you know, just kind of sniffing some dissocation in like all through the years. That's what Tim was talking about. Yeah. I actually did. Conversation I was like he loves you coming. I'll say this that we you know opposite of what Kevin kind of experienced we We had some. Some are lower yields this year, especially on corn and everything was 100% related to soultype. So we had Fields. I think we'll come out did a irrigation video. We're already on that video. And I mean it was so hot. I mean I'm picking cotton now and anywhere we couldn't get the water to it enough. You know, it's it's two or three hundred pounds less but where you could get the water enough for the water was there enough to do good? You know, we've had some pretty good NCGA and you know go for the green so I mean yields up I think Rob are so many years probably higher and it's ever been, you know, as far as a plot. But it was certain spots in the field where the you know the moisture holding capacity Soul types. Was really good. And then the ones that didn't hold the moisture was terrible. I mean we had a field where we cut a good NCGA plot that was 150 to 150 to 160 bushel on corn. You know on the upper End by the Polly pipe, which you would think would be that there's no way that can happen. And then we got in the in the soul type that you know that we really like that holds moisture, you know, we had some pretty good ncj yields and same thing with soybeans and I mean this year was a I mean, I don't we've learned a lot this year, you know about irrigation and just in general about heat, you know, there's a there's some things you have to do different when you're in Heat next year next year whenever we have this heat again, we'll probably Try to double our irrigation, you know where we're at. Now, we'll probably try to double that. I had a farm a cotton Farm, you know down south that they don't have enough irrigation there. So, you know, it's going to be down just because we didn't have enough water. I mean, we we kept the plan alive, but not to the point we needed to you know not where we could make any kind of yields. By the way, it's probably gonna be hard again and you're probably gonna deal with this. So the lessons you learned are obviously very applicable and speaking lessons. We always say we're here for our listeners. We're here for our viewers our members and the people that we're you know, this whole organization was invented to serve if you have a question the chat lines open man chatted in there or raise your hand. We'll get you called on whatever we want to hear from you. If you want to be a part of this discussion and then remember to send an email to support at extreme AG dot Farm support extremely that farm if you want to hear any of your stuff covered I want to get to Chad. He said something that eventually we should talk about a wheat seed treatment. Do you believe that that's a podcast that you and I do when you get to that point in your season or do you think that should be a webinar? Dude, I wouldn't talk about it right now. Come on Temple. Send it. There they are send it simple go first. We treatment because it does tie into the soybeans are coming off the soybeans that got descaded. So we're taking soybean foliers and we're taking it. We're pivoting to the next aspect of that. Talk to me. so I don't think we see treatment on wheat should be any different than how I look at it on soybeans. I'm using one from AG acts this year. It's a grow pack and it's put on like as a talk and I put it right on my seed on my talk applicators easy to go on what we need to remember is is all these, you know, one of the most stressful points in a plants life is emergence. So if we can feed just a little bit of micros a little bit of fertilizer to it right on that seed right out the gate as it's emerging it's gonna be a better healthier plant. So that's one of the things we did it with soybeans for years and it worked out very well and we're getting some that stuff right in right away and we're seeing it on our very first tissue samples that we're pulling, you know, we didn't talk about tissue and was tonight, you know, one of the reasons that I use Years and how I dialed in four years is because of tissue samples. Well, one of the reasons that I'm showing in all the early stages in soybeans of exactly what I need is because I'm putting in some of this seed treatment that I'm planting it right on the seeds boom and then all of a sudden it comes out of ground and I know in my soul certain things that I'm always going to be low in. Well, that's he treatment is feeding that plant that specific element that I need and it works out really really well. So I'm with Chad on this like I'm not putting it in a ground without it simple. We already have gotten a little bit off path a bit with tonight's subject which is fine. It's all good informative stuff, but you had to bring up tissue sampling and then mention Chad. I record an episode in 100 degree field in Alabama where the man went ape s*** crazy and yelled about tissue samples of why we shouldn't tissue sample and why it's a waste of money. He got me intimidated. He got the Agro liquid people all fired up. Why did you have to do this Chad? I'm sorry. We did not mean to Insight you trigger trigger. I think it works trigger. We triggered you. So yeah me you know, that's a long story about tissue sampling. That's for definitely for another day. And you and we don't need to get off on the wrong foot about teaching sampling. But you know the wheat, you know, it's a grass crop and people, you know, we trying to stay in front of some of these webinars, you know what we're doing and what people are doing and for those people who are planning weed or about the plant wheat just reach out to us. Um, do you homework on some of this? I know that you know agates has got one all so spray takes got one full text see So they've got a good sea treatment that we're going to do some testing with as well. It looks good on beans so far and it's it's definitely wheat planting time. So we don't need behind the eight ball on it. We need a good stand y'all. It's a grass crop like corn again, and we needed up as you know as uniform as possible and don't forget to you know. Look at what it what crop you're putting it in and and keep it real healthy going into the dormacy. You know, I know it Lee's not on here and he'd be good one to for this to definitely talk about, you know. Yeah, so I like it Kelly you had something you want to toss in if we had a extra at the end here that is kind of a tease for a podcast. We're gonna do eventually you experiment with a new header. You ran across all your soybean Acres you got results with your new header talk to us. The honey pardon me the honeybee header that we purchased a year ago, you know because the supply chain issues it wasn't able to come in until we were almost soybeans so we didn't use it until this year. I couldn't be happier that header on wheat or soybeans is far superior to any Draper I've ever used and it's just it really is phenomenal. Two miles an hour faster than we at least a mile an hour faster and beans it just really eats the crop does a great job shaves the ground and I'm probably gonna buy another one and I you know, you know, we're talking about soybeans tonight. I know that's not a full year application, but I'm very happy with that header that Draper. Got it. We got a couple of questions here and we'll hear more about that as you get through more Acres with it and have a little bit more analysis on it. Andy hubenthal asks, why get right here in Indiana. What Gage do we need to use to know volume of potassium acetate to use on each pass? Somebody knows more about this than me who's got it. Rob take that. We are coming off me. Are we talking about beans? Why on on on which on? Which crop are you talking about? Andy? What games we need to use to know volume of potassium acetate to use on each pass what gauge do we need to use to know the volume? So I think it depends on what your soil test is. Yeah, you're safe. I'm kind of answer that Robin. I don't have any signal he's back in a pine trees. But right now if you do a if you kind of watch you we've been doing tissues examples for several years and and figuring out when the soil plan needs a potassium with the most time, you know, full your wise. And you know if you put the if you put a foliar out the wrong time. It's it's not going to do anything. You know, so I would say kind of just watch when you know when the best time is to do that. And you know, it's still a Band-Aid. The foyers are Band-Aids. I you know Roots if Roots were designed to take foliers up. They would be at the top of the plant but they're at the bottom of the plant which means that they most of what they take up was from the ground, you know our fertility from the ground. So you're something that you really have to Pay attention to and put them on the right time. If you put them on the wrong timing, you're I mean, you're basically you might as well give me the money and I'll spend that on a steak dinner or whatever. So, you know, that's something you have to kind of. you know, I mean other guys kind of kind of join in here, but I mean, it's Four years and we're we're just now getting to that. I'm glad somebody else that question because if you put the foliers out at the wrong time, you might as well not be doing it. it you know, I would like to address that mass exactly right, you know, and I've learned a lot from all of these guys, especially Lee in what Lee has Told me repetitively is it's not the amount that's in the foliar. It's the timing and when you're touching the plant and when you're triggering the plant to exadate. When you're training your plant to push out more exudates to bring more in so it isn't like two gallons of potassium acetate is going to be better than one gallon. For example, it's all about the timing of it and and but you very much need to have your soil test in line. It needs to be balanced. It needs to be available to the plant but it's not the it's not the amount of acetate. It's the timing of acetate is the most important thing. Our guy who didn't didn't we talk about this at the Nature's Booth didn't this actually get covered when we were commodity classic. So can we can we turn it over to Tommy with Natures? Because I remember this subject being brought up about timing and volumes of potassium acetate when we were in the nature Booth. Am I right? Yes. Yes. Chad yeah, also me and Kevin was at the PT PTF arm and it was made in Anders interesting statement up there with Tommy and him and we was looking at some of the Soul samples one evening riding around and it was like Manuel's and Kelly was talking about they had about a 2.8 up there. They saturation of Kate. You know where mine down here is anywhere from a five to a six and a half. So we're talking about that. You know that Tommy was talking about how much better they done with potassium acetate up there and Jason as well, you know, and so so like both these guys were saying the timing is important and what your base saturation is and what you got in the soul to kick it off and come up. So that's you know, look at those couple things Andy and and see see where you're at and then that'll help you bars amount you guys Kevin but me and him that I put on anywhere from one to five gallon, but you know, I'm sending kind of guy Temple how much you know, how much for dancing I know you get from. It don't I know I can't burn nothing up with three gallon and I know really hard. I think we know that the real answer Chad puts Chad puts product on until until it looks like he's just desiccated the field. So he's all about killing stuff. Sometimes by accidentally just use over using a product that's supposed to be helping. Yeah. Don't listen to me you I will caution people don't think you can take potassium out they or liquid like that a full year and replace what you need to put in the ground. I mean that we haven't been able to do it here. Now Kevin's got a Kevin's got a liquid program that works pretty good. But here in the day you can't take I don't know what you test him. I stay versus say 50 pounds of potash but we've had we've struggled with trying to make that work to replace anything. It's a Band-Aid for us just to kind of help the plant get along in in strategic times at the plant needs that extra potash and what what oh man still right there. You need to remember the you'll go you know, when Matt's talking about, you know, they got a lot of beans it's 75 to Nanny plus, you know in me. I've got a lot of beans here this double crop that I'm sitting there. I'm taking 45 to Keep that. So remember your yield gold in it? Yeah. So the point is potassium acetate if Andy is 45 miles from my farm. They're not double crop beans, right. They're they're normal traditional conventional beans. Well, they might know till whatever the point is, they're not following wheat, so he's probably shooting for more like 75 bushel beans presumably versus you with double crop going in when yours are so he's gonna need more than you would need but maybe not as much as Matt. We got a question from Jeff Fritz, but Kevin Matt just reference you and your liquid program as it relates to potassium acetate and that last question. Yeah, so so we run a two we're on two inches on each side of the row and we run a 2.9 1721 Ortho Ortho phosphate. Fertilizer at a rate of about eight gallons an acre and that's pretty much our total fertility up front and then we will come back and do our folders, but with our foliers what we have learned is the traditional R3 time of fungicide is a hit and miss lots of times. We don't see a return on that. And so you got to go back and like Mr. Lee talked about you got to know those trigger points and what makes yield. Pods with seed in them and the size of the seed so the more pods and the bigger the seed the bigger the yield. and when does that happen in the life of that soybean plant or that corn plant? When do you you know, you got a couple different times, you know, you're real young setting that birth of that ear, but then you got to maintain that potential when you go into reproduction. So it's a little bit different animal corn. You got a few more trigger points, but with soybeans those main two is protecting those blooms to retain as many pods as possible and then towards the end when everybody else is going to the beach and going on vacation and done with the soybeans. You got our r4r5 and you can size them seat up and make you some money with these folders. I've got a couple of things coming. We got a couple of questions if we're done with that one. This one's from Jeff Fritz and we got a question from Down Under we got to get to we have now Outreach from somebody in Australia. So we got to get to that one. Jeff Fritz asked Temple. Are you using grow pack SB on your wheat or is it regular grow pack? Now it's group pack SB. There's something in group back SB that I want out of it. So it again everybody needs to remember they need to look for what is in their soil and what they're usually lacking of. so use whatever seed treatment, whatever follicular whatever you are always lacking of and how you're going to figure out how you're lacking of something is through years of tissue samples. Sorry Chad if that's your trigger point, but I'm just saying that's where we find a lot of these things and it just it goes back right to the potassium. They talked about it a few seconds ago about you know, the base saturation. You need to compare your base saturation in your area own your particular form. Not mine. Not match not Kevin's not yet. But what you're doing on your farm the base saturation you have there versus your tissue sample. That's how you really think how you can actually fine tune putting potassium or any of these other products. It doesn't matter what it is and that goes back to staging the crop and knowing what that crap is requiring at all times. And if you do that over, you know a period of time you can find out and you can put a timeline on your crap your your stage what it's gonna require before it ever does it if you can do that You can get ahead of the curve. We always talk about being proactive on here that's being proactive. Well, it's about cutting the curve which is name our podcast and we talk about you just held to my shortener curve. You know, what else you did you went ahead and incited our friend Chad Chad you go be. Okay. He had to bring up tissue sampling for a third time on this very webinar you alright. All right, go ahead and preface male and Al from Australia. We talked about this on the phone. I said ask these guys because they know more about it than I do. No Prinsloo is our friend from Australia in Western Australia. He asked loving the info and the call. Well, thank you for the compliments. We work hard at this the guys were Carter. She not he oh Mel. Okay. Okay all I got some name all I got the name Al's probably listening, but I'm just saying mail is a sheep. Melon, Diamond Melanie. That's that's her name. She goes my I understand and I stand corrected like the man the man who went to the chiropractor you're so and so insensitive Damien. All right, quick question in Western Australia. We put lime and gypsum down and it is very beneficial to the crop yields. Does this have a benefit for the root system there? Lime and gypsum down as very beneficial to crop yields that have a benefit for the root system there. You mean there meaning here in the United States of America. Is that what you're saying? Or does it have a benefit to the root system there and the root Zone? I assume she means here in North America. Is that what I'm together? I would say both. I mean, I mean it don't matter whether you anymore us or if you're in Australia or Brazil, wherever that that line, you're bouncing the ph and your gyps and is more than likely they're low in calcium and and like where we are opposite of where Kelly is we're high in magnesium and we're low in calcium. So we are big users of Cal City lime to improve the pH but when we get our pH built up, we still need to improve that calcium to migration. So therefore we bring the gypsum in and it allows the soul to floculate more and gives us a lot better stress mitigation during these dry times because otherwise, you know, this place all we have you can build bricks with it easy, but because of the high mag and so that it just it's amazing how since we started doing this about 15 years ago how we've turned land around and I was once told your lime Source closest to you 90% of the time is your wrong lime Source. That's not what you need and ours comes away from Myrtle Beach. It's basically sea shells. There's a ground up seashells basically is what we're getting and it's very high calcium and it helps build to pH. I will say and Matt's area and Matt need can talk more about it. But what we see in our low CC souls are sandierland if we run gyps and we will drive that PH down very fast and it is not a good Gibson don't work good and I really deep Sands like it does in our heavier plays our high CC soul. very interesting anybody else won't kick in on the on the lineman gypsum thing Temple. Um, we use gypsum. Here's a lot of same reasons that Kevin's using it. You know, we're we're High mag low on Cal. So we use that to try to get that ratio, right? We also use it on a lot of our low-lying lands because it will you know anytime you put more casting so you open up the rothia. That's all you allow that ground to breathe a little bit. So we end up having a lot better results with that. We'll actually go in on farms that are that real heavy. Muck Play It's like a white clay. We call a boy to ground and we'll just spread it in those areas and we'll put on a heavier-dose gypsum and we'll improve yields dramatically in those areas just by that Melanie also asked do you plant with liquid calcium and that's gonna probably vary by who we're talking to right? Yep. Yeah, we use it in our we use it in our program all our starter programs, especially in our tuba twos will have calcium added in you got calcium in your 202 program Chad. Yes, perfect. Mike Evans answer Kelly you we run we run it into the two we run it in we're running into why drop as well. You know meet any sorts right there. We try to use some some the best we can get, you know, we've tried several but we'll have from a three percent to a nine percent. We've seen some 17 percent, you know, calcium based products and we played with several of those Oh Land and Rob we were down there in Arkansas. We're your big on and Kelly same thing you guys put calcium out at every single juncture, right? You try to put calcium out every way you can because you're definitely you're always saying that when we talked about Iowa your spoon feed and calcium is one of those things you can't dump it out there being a season and have it at the end of the season, right? Right now, that's right. Go ahead Rob. Yeah, we we try to put out calcium at like like you said, you know, especially on the kind. We're putting a lot of the cowboy product out on the Cotton. We put a couple of you know, what what we do Matt two or three applications on the continent I think and and then, you know a lot of times on the corn we have in the past we've used some of the through in the starter. from our table So, you know we were using a lot of calcium throughout the year. We are going on certain areas. We need the calcium and and and exactly what everybody saying and when you're on the higher CC's, you know, that's more High mag, you know, that's where gypsum works better. We have a problem with getting calcium in the plant for cotton. And I will be honest with you and I'm not trying to be and you know, and and Rob's gonna laugh at this when I say if you are watching any more video, but you know, we started looking at Cowboy, you know, we've always been told and always been told that you cannot get calcium in a plant from a full year application. Yeah, but we'll say that cowboy has been a and and chat love this because he's a boron guy but there's been a product that we could get in the plant a lot better when we thought we could and we've tried other products, you know different ones from Greenpoint and you know that calcium products, but the cowboy actually gets in the plant. See how this works Chad they incite you and Trigger you about sister sampling, but then they come back to your sweet spot which is boron and I swear I never knew that somebody could be as excited about boron as you but with a US borax people we talked about it and I'm all excited. See we want we're appeasing you on the way out the door here. It's all about boron Chad. We you don't know how many tissue samples I've pulled though. I've pulled more tissue sampling most people have leaves on their corn plant, you know, so I mean that board a bunch of teaching example, and so let's just yeah. Yeah, just all right. We're all a lot of people like, you know questions and we're close to being all out of time real quick the wrap up here on all this. We did the part a little bit. We got Divergent from the soybean foliar results and lessons but everything we talked about is valuable we talked about we treatments we talked about Kelly's results on on is a new header. We talked about desiccation quite a bit and that's something I think we're gonna be covering more because You all are ramping up. The number Acres you desiccate which means kill your soybeans. You can bump up your Harvest to talk about the reasons you do that talk about some of the pitfalls of doing too much of it in particular Temple and then everybody contributed on the results and the lessons from the soybean foliar treatments. Anybody have any last words they say Evans Evans. You're gonna be the last one to go because I know that it'll be simple like no anybody got anything on the way out the door here soybean foliers Temple. I got one I did I will tell you I did take one soybean plot off. I'm pretty excited about I didn't get a chance to talk about it because Matt kept cutting me off. He wanted to run his mouth. But um I did it's not a foliar. It was up front. It was infero. We did a mega grow with Nutra George and Furrow and got a seven bushel bump on it and they were 13 acre trials in the middle of a field. So and we're gonna do more that we got a bunch more trials coming off. But you know again, I think that that is in the stress mitigation rate from the beginning grow the root make it make that root take up more phosphorus and dump it in there. No, I told you used to said right there and that was new to charge and mega grow and we get to Winter January February you're gonna have very concise compiled results on your big grow bigger grow neutral charge full year program and the big the teaser is you're excited about it because it worked one last question. Then we are gonna get out of here. It's from a guy named John Nelson. I assuming it's a guy it's not John short for Joanie, but you've already correct me. I don't know. John Nelson says let Kelly answer about calcium. I don't know exactly what thing about calcium, but let Kelly answer about calcium. Was it about the gypsum versus the lime or what was the thing August? I seen it Kelly send it but I don't like You know, we find our Fields because we have low phras to high pH areas. But I don't like gypsum at all in our geography because of our base saturation score in calcium. These other guys are very high of Mag. We're very high on calcium. So I like to apply Elemental sulfur to mitigate my calcium problem. However, calcium is my biggest nutrient deficiency. So just about every time you go across the field. We're looking at some sort of calcium to do that. That's why my V2 application of liberate CA from agricult paid so nicely it gets tied up in our soil structure and putting gypsum on from a broadcast spread. It just isn't going to work for us. It's it's contributing to the calcium problem in my opinion and a foliar application as many times as I can spoon feeding. It is the way to go for us. Fantastic, I think we can leave it there unless there's anybody has anyone last thing Lane by the way things for being here with the numbers Rob. Sorry, you had a bad signal. You know, let me know if there's anything I can do. I mean I feel it's like one of those things when the nuns just a school was little boy wanted me to donate a little box with my change to help the needy. Is there anything I can do to get you some internet down there anything to get you a better cell phone service down there and the Piney part of Arkansas because we start us. I mean, I have great service. I mean I You know. No, because you were breaking up the whole time. You're on here. All right, everything's Kevin. Thanks for climbing out of the combine Kelly. Thanks for bringing in our buddy. Mike Evans. You get the last word before I do our rap. What's the last word? Yep. I'm good. You just say Mike. Have a good night, Damian. You're awesome. We love you. 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