Is it Genetics or Fertility?
15 Nov 238 min 47 sec

Did seed genetics exist 20-30 years ago that could have gotten today's yields if managed correctly with fertility? Or are our fertility plans just that much better at getting the most out of seed genetics? What has improved more over the past three decades? Damian asks XtremeAg's Kevin Matthews and Nachurs' Jason Worley: "Is it the Chicken or the Egg?"

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00:00 Ready? Here we go. 3, 2, 1. So we're delving into a topic, kind of a chicken or the egg. Did genetics exist 20, 00:11 30 years ago that could have gotten today's yields and we just didn't know how to manage 'em? Or is it that we have gotten so good at fertility practices, 00:18 we've essentially brought everything along with it to get these yields? Kevin Matthews, 00:23 one of the founding fathers of Extreme Mag Jason rule with nature's. I posed this question off camera and I said, you know what, 00:28 this is just a thing that I'm thinking. Let's maybe share this with our listeners and viewers. All right, we know we're getting huge yields now. 00:34 You didn't used to get 'em 10, 20, 30 years ago. And then I'm like, well, well you've got the ability now, Kevin, 00:41 to go out on your farm and use products like his late season. We just did a video recording about putting stuff on at R five, 00:46 fertility at R five. Crazy stuff. Is that the reason that we have what we have or the genetics always there and the ability to use the fertility, the fertility products have gotten better. 00:58 It's kind of like, which thing is the reason? And maybe it's awful. I don't know. 01:02 I think, I think the genetics has been there. 'cause if you go back 30 plus years ago, Francis Childs broke the world record at 442 bushels acre in Iowa 01:11 and uh, had an extremely good soil there and the good environments and he, he perfected that. 01:19 And so he proved to all the world that two oh bushels is no longer the problem. Right. You know, we, we, we can do better. The issue is, 01:30 is in the soils that we have and other areas of the country that are not as favorable, 01:37 then we need a lot of help to get up on them hurdles. And I feel like in the last, um, 15 years and especially the last five years, the ability for, 01:49 you know, our, our seed genetics has improved. There's no question drought tolerance has improved and it will continue to improve. But the fertility side also, the equipment side, 02:01 there's so many of these little things. And there's one thing at extreme ag as we all focus on and we really push. There's no silver bullet. There's no one big thing. 02:10 It's all the little bitty things that add up. Talk a lot about the, uh, you know, Kelly's the first one that he started talking about, 02:17 standing operator procedure or grower standard practice. You guys talk about grower standard practice. Grower standard practice. 02:21 Once it's been a trial for a couple years and it makes you a, a return now becomes grower standard practice. 02:27 The stuff that we're doing now compared to a decade or so ago, two decades ago for sure might be the reason we're getting here. 02:33 But then it makes me wonder, 'cause you're the fertility guy, these plants are producing 250, 270, 300 bushel corn. 02:41 If you didn't go out there and feed it late season, you wouldn't, it's kinda like it's, it's now we've shown that we can do it, 02:47 but if you don't get out there late season, it doesn't have what it needs. Right? That's correct. Yeah. 02:51 Yeah. So Kevin mentioned on It earlier, you know, here in our souls in North Carolina, we got a very, our top soul, we got a very narrow top solo. I mean, 02:59 a lot of times we sometimes 2, 2 4 inches, you know what we're looking at. And so we, uh, we always had this mentality, we'll feed we'll, 03:08 we'll give the fertility to the crop, what we fill out the land can produce. Yeah. 03:12 We have to manage the plant. Yeah, You gotta manage the plant. And so that's the thing now, so, okay, let's fast forward. That was with dry, that's, we did a lot of that. Now look, 03:20 we're fast forward into where we're at now with our yields, our genetics and things like that. 03:24 So now we're actually now reallocating products. We're actually putting the, the product where it should be. We're feeding the plant, 03:30 not necessarily concerned about, we are concerned about the soil profile, but we're feeding the plant. It's gonna give us the yield. 03:37 So we're actually doing foliar, we're doing side dressing and we're trying to get it in that, you know, 12 inch, you know, six inch range right there on each side of the plant. 03:45 So that's where our recovery's on this. Now you're, you're reallocating your reference and taking, I'm gonna take $50 from pre-plant and I'm gonna put it towards the end of 03:52 Let's just move it to the plant when the plant really needs it. Yeah. Whenever it is actually putting our yield on it. 03:57 So coming back to that chick as Tommy says, we're relocating. Yeah. Relo. We said reallocating. You're saying relocating. Yep. I like it. 04:04 So back to the chicken and egg scenario. Okay. Maybe the Jens were there, but it's kind of like one thing came with the other, you know? Mm-hmm. The, the, 04:10 the better fertility products, the better equipment and understanding about how to apply it late. Mm-hmm. Uh, you know, it's kinda like it all goes together. 04:19 Which one do you think is the most critical one? The equipment, the fertility products or the genetics? 04:25 I think it's all the above. I I think when you start trying to put all the weight on one, you lose focus of the other. Uh, it, you know, it's, 04:32 it is just like a ball game. You, you can play really good that first quarter and you can play decent that second quarter and you can go into halftime with a big lead and, 04:40 and well left about a third quarter. You're wondering what games playing, you know, 04:44 That's like halftime we took that. Yeah. Yeah. Orden team gun. Yeah. You know, I'm also kind of thinking, uh, when he talked about the, who's the, 04:51 the record center Francis? Yep. Uh, and that was 28 years ago. That was over 30 years ago. I was in high school and uh, I'll never forget, uh, 05:00 reading the Farm Journal and Progressive Farmer and had his picture on it. And I was, I was actually picking corn. We was picking 170, 80 bushel corn, 05:08 which was really good corn back then and, and, uh, dry land non irrigated. And I was like, uh, yeah, my combine, I didn't, 05:16 my truck won't hold that much. I mean, my straight truck you started, We talked about the size of green beds that we had then. So anyway, 05:23 I think the chicken and egg center is kind of a cool thing. Get me outta here. Jason. Chicken of the Egg. You know, it, 05:28 it's a fun question because we obviously don't know the answer which one came first, but we know that both of 'em matter. We need both fertility products, 05:34 we need the application equipment, we need the technology to put it where it needs to be. Relocating is a great term that Tommy talks about, relocating those nutrients. 05:41 And obviously the genetics seems to me genetics are the least limiting factor moving forward. If I had to guess, 05:48 I, no, I don't. I think you Got it depends on your location. Yeah. For us, with our heat stress and our drought stress and we're getting so many more 05:57 products to help attribute success to that. But the genetics, they just keep getting better genetics. 06:04 We're learning more about the stature of the plants. And, and that comes back to, it's the, it is the full ball game. You know? It is, 06:10 it's the full package. And when we get so tunnel vision and put blinders on and we're only looking at the planter or only looking at the sprayer, 06:18 they still people that don't even calibrate their sprayers. Well then you're wanting to put a quart of something out there and maybe two 06:24 ounces of something and your sprayer's never been calibrated in this off 30%. Yeah. Well then you just, you didn't put that quart 06:32 And they're not satisfied with the results they get. Oh, You get calls 06:35 About, oh yeah. Hey I didn't get one. Yeah, well 'cause you didn't have a calibrate. It's alright, get me outta here. Chicken or the egg. What do I need to know 06:42 At the end of the day, Kevin hit on a lot of things. You brought up a lot of good topics. We need to do what we, when the seed hits the ground game on. Yep. Seed hits the ground. 06:51 Now we got to really focus hard and push that crop all the way through. We gotta get the right amount of phosphorus and that seed, 06:58 get it up to that point. Okay. Now we gotta start looking at potassium and phosphorus, micronutrients, our start to finish program, we got a really good program. 07:05 It takes every crop that we have from the time the seed hits to harvest. So start to finish. And 07:12 I like the idea that if you weren't trying to do something at that R five that last, that might be 10 12 bushel 07:17 Difference. So It could be five or six versus difference, Right? Yeah. The, the last, um, 07:23 When you saying the extra ramble court, Carl? Yeah, I, I was reading something the other day. Uh, they had done some research on, and from R four to the end was over two bushels 07:34 per day that you're adding to the yield. Say that again From R four on the, to the finish line? Yeah, you're adding four, you're adding two bushels per day. Okay. On average. 07:45 And that could be 10 more days. Uh, that's Longer than That. 20 more. It could be 40, it could be 40 Bushel. Yeah. Oh, easy. Yeah. And we, 07:53 we seen it the first time and we thought it was a p fluke. Yeah. And now we've been able to replicate it and now we're trying to figure out, 08:00 okay, well I did that R four. Now if I do this R five, you know, how, what am I going? And 08:06 You're seeing the similar stuff. Yeah. His name's Jason Wardley with Nature's, uh, 08:11 his name is Kevin Matthews with Extreme Ag and we're talking about the Chicken of the egg. The point is, uh, 08:17 which thing came first High yields because of the Gen X or because of the application equipment or because of the fertility? The point is, 08:22 it's kind of all three. And you know why it's a fun thing to ponder, but the reality is if you can package it all together, 08:28 and that's what we're trying to do here is, you know, show you what we learn on the Farmers of Extreme AGS trials and then bring it to you to hundreds, hundreds of more videos like this. If you haven't shared them, 08:38 uh, please do so with someone that can benefit from, that's what our purpose is. So next time Dame Mason with extreme ag coming to you from a field for some guys 08:44 that are talking about some, you know, pretty cool stuff.

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