The Benefits of Applying Biologicals Post-Harvest
31 Aug 2329 min 34 sec

Biologicals have emerged in force over the past decade. Do you apply biologicals and if so, when? Chad Henderson discusses his large-scale trials of applying biologicals post - harvest. The benefits: Breaking down fodder, releasing nutrients, enhancing soil biology, and several other things you’ll find out if you listen to this episode! Chad is joined by Holganix’s Mike Batson and host Damian Mason.

Presented by Advanced Drainage Systems

00:00 Well, as we're heading into fall, you might be asking yourself, is there something I should be doing with a biological product to take me, 00:06 catapult me into winter? That's the discussion in this episode of Extreme Ag Cutting the curve. Welcome to extreme Ag Cutting the Curve podcast, 00:17 where you get a guaranteed return on investment of your time as we cut your learning curve with the information you can apply to your farming operation 00:25 immediately. Extreme ag, we've already made the mistakes so you don't have to. Managing your farm's water resources is a critical component to a successful and 00:36 sustainable farming operation. Advanced drainage systems helps farmers just like you increase their yields up to 30% with their technologically advanced water management products. 00:49 Visit ad s to see how they can keep your business flowing. Now, here's your host, Damian Mason. Hey there. 00:57 Welcome to another fantastic episode of extreme Ag Cutting the curve. I got Chad Henderson from Madison, Alabama, 01:02 one of the original founders of Extreme Ag, and I got Mike Batson, he is with Holganix. Mike and I met a couple of different times, 01:09 what we were most recently in Iowa, and we actually did some measuring about what biologicals can do. Let's face it, you were maybe were suspect about this. All of us were. 01:20 Chad's a tire kicker. We were like, alright, does this stuff really work? Well, Chad has a trial going with Wholeganics and he is got a couple different things 01:27 he wants to share with us about that. But the question we asked in a previous video, and it's a damn good one, I said, Mike, how do we know if this stuff's really working? 01:36 And he's out there with his soil monitor and his soil pro, but he's not just pulled up soils and sent 'em to a lab. 01:41 He's got real time stuff going down and talking about what the organic matter looks like, porosity, they call it bulk density, which is really cool. 01:48 'cause we, we know that our soils get compacted. So I thought, you know what, let's go ahead and kind of revisit the measuring and let's also talk about what 01:55 should Chad be doing moving forward using biologicals of organics brand or any for that matter. So anyway, Mike, um, it's pretty cool. The video we did, 02:04 I watched it this morning to refresh myself with, uh, what we did there. You actually can in real time using satellite technology, say, 02:12 here's the CECs, here's the organic matter, here's the bulk density, et cetera, with that soil. So that was pretty cool. And then your point was, 02:19 if you started using biologicals now five years from now, these numbers would absolutely climb. And I I thought that was pretty telling. 02:25 It was in, it was informative and I guess it would be, uh, uh, verifying. Yes, that's correct. Yeah, we've got, uh, 02:34 farms that's had the product on for five or six years in the Dakotas and it just gets better with time. Uh, yields continue to climb up. 02:44 Uh, we're growing more organic matter. We've changed the organic matter a full percentage point. And, uh, we're even starting to move the CECs cation exchange capacity. So, 02:57 And by the way, um, if, if you are a, if you were of all of our stuff, I sat, I stood in the field with Chad and we talked about the cation exchange capacity 03:06 problem that he has in some of his lighter soils. And then he's talking about the, the work he's doing with organics. We went to one of his fields that was not light, 03:15 it was in fact kind of river bottom stuff. So anyway, what are you seeing that excites you about using biologicals in this particular instance, Chad? 03:25 So first of all, I was, I'm the biggest skeptic, you know, because these guys come to me and they're like, Hey, we're gonna put this. 03:32 I said, oh Lord, it's a wild, wild west, you know, because it's hard for people to come back. And they've been preaching and selling bio, uh, biologic. 03:41 Say that word for me. Biological biologicals. Biologicals, thank you. So they've been preaching and selling them things, you know, 03:47 for five or six or seven years, you know, and there's, and and, and up until now we've seen with them, there's no way to measure it. Yeah. 03:54 So everybody can say what they wanna say and they're like, oh, well it's working well, 03:58 where for five or six or seven or 10 or $15 an acre? Yeah. You know, and then we have us as farmers have to quantify that in essence of, oh, 04:06 we're gonna cut our fertility back. Whoa, wait a minute now. So there's a lot of stuff went on. Well, 04:10 when these guys explained it and some of the meetings we've had together, it's truly been a learning curve. Um, when they come down, you know, 04:17 a lot of people wanna know where you want it at, you know, and they're, one of the companies says, Hey, we want on tough ground, 04:21 we want it on some rough ground. I said, I got you. I promise you, I got you. So we put 'em in some rough ground and you know, the root mass is, is different. 04:29 It was different when it, when it come out the ground, the roof structure was different on the plants, you know, and this is corn that's, you know, just, just average corn. 04:37 This is not anything that's loaded up and it's just regular fertility, you know. So I'm really interested so far to see what, you know, 04:44 what we got going on with it. Well, I mean, there is something to that and that's why I, I opened up by saying that what Mike did, it was actually verifiable, 04:53 provable that he's pulling numbers and you say, yeah, but did those numbers move? We've only put this biological on this field starting at time of planting. 05:01 His point is, and I guess there's a little bit of faith, uh, you know, give us three years and you're gonna see some of these numbers move even more. 05:09 So, and, you know, you're asking us to have a little bit of faith, but less than some of the other promises out there because you actually are 05:16 verifying some numbers. So I thought that was pretty cool. Um, talk to me about what's happening at Chad's, Mike. What, what does he, 05:22 what's he, what can he expect to see, uh, come when a combine rolls through that corn? I do have, uh, better plant health all the way till the end. Uh, 05:34 our plants mature out. They don't die out. Uh, kind of mimicking what a fungi treat a fungi fungicide Treatment, uh, shows, you know, normally we get a lot better plant health, 05:46 so I would expect the plant to stay green longer. And, uh, it'll mature out, uh, like it's supposed to do. And, uh, 05:54 should translate if his yield, if his, uh, roots have grown, uh, more than normal, you know, we should have better water and nutrient uptake and, 06:02 uh, should, uh, put that into more grain in the grain ban on the combine. What about now after the harvest? Okay, let's say he does see these. 06:11 Is there something that he should be doing? Is, is Chad Henderson gonna help himself? Does he need to do a biological treatment post-harvest? 06:19 I would say yes. Uh, where he's at, where he is got a longer growing season that basically doesn't shut off. Uh, he's gonna get a lot of, uh, beneficial benefits from the, uh, 06:30 products that have, uh, a diverse population of microbes in it, uh, bacteria and, uh, fungi and produce will, uh, 06:40 break down, uh, you know, his, uh, stocks and residues that he's got left at the end of the field. We will cycle the nutrients out of it quicker and we'll break that down, 06:51 making it, uh, go through, uh, you know, planter season when the planters start to run, uh, he'll be able to get through that residue a lot easier. Uh, 07:00 mimicking basically like a tillage pass. But the key, you have to have more fungi and produce in there than just bacteria. Most of the products out there are heavily laden with bacteria matching up 07:13 what's in our soil. Most of our soil is heavily laden in bacteria and low in fun fungi and beneficial produce and beneficial nematodes. 07:23 By the way, Chad, is this something we even thought about a couple years ago until I started working with you guys and they started talking about the fungi bacteria 07:31 relationship? I'm like, I I had no idea. So is, is Chad's soil heavy bacteria, low fungi? Is that what you're telling me? I would say yes, I will haven't been to his farm, 07:41 but I would say before he started using our product, I would say that it was probably heavily bacteria. Most of the time we see 80 to 07:50 70% bacteria to fungi. And, uh, with our product that usually after one use, we will break that down to 60 30 and slowly 08:02 build it up to more, to a one-to-one ratio, 50 50, which that's what we're looking for. Our soils that, uh, can handle lots of stress and make more yield are the ones 08:16 that are in that one-to-one ratio. Chad, what's the deal? Uh, do you think you're rebalancing the fungi to bacteria ratio? By the way, 08:25 Mike jumped the gun. This was supposed to be a different, uh, episode. We were gonna talk about that, but that's okay. Here we are. 08:31 I, I ain't got a clue. I ain't got a clue like, look, I'm from Alabama. This ain't even supposed to happen with somebody like me. 08:38 Like he talks way too proper and everything he's saying, like, I'm just buying into it. You know, he's gonna really good job. Explain that. 08:45 But to the point, you know what, what we wanna talk about is how hard it is for me or what I'd like to know is how hard it's for me. You know, 08:52 when I went to Kelly Garretts when I went to Temple Rose, um, you know, when I go to their place and I say, Hey, when was that corn shelled? Oh, 09:00 it was shelled two months ago. Well, it looks like it was shelled last week. You know how the stalks look. Well, when Alabama, you know, 09:07 when me and Matt down here in the south, even in Kevin Matthews, we, you know, our stalks with a heat, it's turning black, 09:14 like everything's working 'cause we have so much more heat. Can we talk a minute on what we can do to add to that? 09:21 When I use a whole organics product and these bugs are running, they're working, they're breaking this stuff down. Do I need to put on more sugars? 09:27 Do I need to put on more nitrogen? Do I need to put on a few things to keep these, keep these bugs happy and keep them fed and keep 'em going longer? 09:36 Or am I looking at it wrong? Yeah. So that's a, that's a big question right there. So we, we opened the whole episode, Mike, by saying here we're going into fall. 09:43 Should Chad, you know, what should, what should be the next treatment after the combine goes through? What should be the next biological treatment? 09:51 I would say just like what I was trying to say, a product like ours is diverse. Uh, that has, uh, 09:58 your bacteria fungi produce beneficial nematodes. But back to the sugars, uh, you need a food source. And that's right. And our product has that. 10:07 We have molasses in there. We have yucca plant extract, kelp extract, amino acids, and uh, fulvic acid and IC acid. 10:16 And when those bugs and microbes hit the hit your residue, it's like we're bringing a battalion with us. We're not just bringing, that's, 10:25 That's, that's what I was new was coming outta organics and that's what I was trying to get you to circle around to. So what would, if you had to pick, 10:32 what would your carrier be? Would you want it to be water? Would you want it to be a cut with water, nitrates, you know, 10:38 to kind of help break that down. If you had to pick one, what would your carrier be? 10:42 I would still go with water because I forgot to mention that in our product we also have some slow release nitrogen in there. 10:49 So we're bringing some nitrogen as well to feed what microbes you currently have in your soil as well. And that will speed the process up. But water, lemme 10:57 Let me ask the question here, Mike. So you're talking about the combine rolls hitting his case, probably, you know, that that's called months. 11:03 Doesn't really matter where you are in this particular, so after the combine rolls, you're going out doing a fall application and is it just this product or is 11:12 this in there with some herbicide to take care of winter annuals or what, what are you thinking on that, Chad? 11:17 Oh, I'm with, I'm with you Damien. Um, I think that'd be a great time. And that's why we used their product before, you know, they wanted it, 11:24 if you can't put it in the furrow, then they want it with a herbicide pass. And I think that would be a great opportunity to put their product in at that 11:31 half gallon rate that they recommend, you know, and smoke it on in with, with the herbicide pass in front of our wheat planting. 11:38 'cause we'll do our wheat with no till. So we can go in there and put it down, put that down and then just let them stalks, keep eating. 11:45 Okay. So what's the, the product then? Mike is called what It is? Uh, breakdown. Breakdown 11:51 Break. Okay. So, and, and you know, you'd make the mistake of thinking breakdown just means, like you said previously, 11:57 get rid of that fodder so that when he's gotta come in in March, let's say or April and do his planting, that it's broken down. 12:04 But it's not just getting rid of the fodder, it's also putting it back in the soil. That's right. Cycling the nutrients. There's a ton, 12:10 there's a lot of NP and k and micros that are in that that, uh, you want to get back into the soil as quick as possible to get it ready for the 12:18 plant stuff, take it, versus just sitting around doing nothing for you. You know, there's a lot of money there are tied up. 12:24 You might as well be using it. Okay. That's what we're working on. That's what we're working on right now, Damien, with the double crop beans. Right. You know, we sprayed this on our straw, 12:33 our wheat straw right behind the planters and then planted our double crops. So we'll be pulling soil samples, tissue samples on those coming up, you know, 12:41 to see if we can monitor that. Okay. So what I'm wondering then is you, you you harvest your wheat and like June mm-hmm. 12:49 And then you go in and put your double crop beans in the old days you didn't spray something on that. And so, I mean, you have real world experience. 12:57 'cause 10 years ago you didn't spray nothing on the wheat's stubble and now you do. Is it, can you visibly tell a difference from the, from the tractor seat? 13:03 Or can you visibly tell a difference when you go out and take a walk? Well, I haven't been in it to date yet, you know, I've looked at it and, 13:11 and I can see it, you know, but I haven't got out there and really started pulling the straw back to see, uh, the breakdown we're approaching. We're right at R three on those beans, 13:21 you know? Yeah. And they would, the plant date was June the second on that, where we applied that organic. 13:26 So it was within a few days of that is when we planted it and applied it. So, you know what, we're almost, well, we're two months in on the planting season, 13:35 so I'm now getting where I can go out and let's go out and let's start going and let's see if we can see anything in the straw, you know, 13:41 see if the straw tears easier see it because it's, the straw's still going to be there, you know, don't, don't misconstrue and say, oh, the straw's just gone. It's just magically gone. No, no, it's, 13:50 it's going be there, but it's going to be, what I've seen before is the way it breaks down, the way the plants tear, how much easier it is, you know, to it is disposing, decomposing, 14:00 I guess would be the word. Right. So your experience, Mike, this is the first time he's doing this, uh, is this, is this a big, 14:08 is this a big opportunity for people that can do double crop beans? I mean, you can't do double crop typically, you know, in north Indiana where I live, 14:15 but by golly there's a whole bunch of it that happens like Matt Miles and Chad Anderson. 14:19 So is this what you think is gonna become a standard operating procedure? You're gonna put some, some sort of a, 14:25 a meltdown on after the wheat gets harvested? Yes, I do. And I think it'll be big where soybeans and corn's grown throughout the whole 14:33 corn belt. Okay. So, uh, if you're putting it on at time of, uh, uh, you know, is, is it, it's got the benefit of breaking down the fodder, 14:42 it's got the benefit of recycling stuff. Now, this is kind of a silly question, but maybe it's not, is it doing it too soon? In other words, 14:49 if you're doing this in September, October, November, I don't really need all that nutrient availability until April, may, June. Is there a danger of getting it broken down and, 15:00 and then all of a sudden it's like, it's it's too early and now it's not available come spring? Uh, in theory you would think yes, but it, it's not gonna work that fast. 15:10 It's gonna be faster than not doing it. But it once, uh, like in north of where Chad's at, when we start getting into, 15:18 basically soil kind of goes dormant. You know, once we start getting colder, that process will slow down and then it'll kick back up again in the spring 15:27 where Chad's at, he, he's gonna be benefiting all, all the way through. So he's gonna speed that up even more because of his heat and having more 15:36 moisture to make it work. So, Okay, well then from a bang for a buck standpoint, you know, I'm 600 miles north of where he is. 15:43 Does he get more bang for his buck using this than I would or do you think it doesn't matter because I, my 15:49 Yes. Finally, finally somebody gets more bang for their buck than I state. Yes. Well that's what you gotta wonder because we know we, we don't maybe, you know, 15:58 we don't, we don't walk uphill to school, uh, in a blizzard, but we sure as heck do get, 16:03 we get a freezing layer and we still bear our pipes three feet down because of, you know, there's winters where we get a freeze layer down three feet so that, 16:10 that soil's definitely dormant. Um, is, is there a way in an area like me, Mike, do I get less bang for my buck or do I even get more because that biology 16:22 may be works harder before the soil does freeze and right after it thaws out, I think you guys will be equal when it's all said and done. You, 16:31 it's gonna break down the, the residue, the lignin, the, the starches, the cellulose. 16:37 It's gonna nutrient cycle and it's gonna do that both places. It's just gonna go dormant in the north and then it's gonna kick back up in the 16:45 spring. So basically it's gonna, you're gonna get your money worth both ways. It's just gonna take a, I would like, 16:52 I'd like to tell you something, Mike, that, uh, Chad hasn't even heard. Mike Evans is, uh, 16:57 Kelly Garrett's business partner and also agronomist and I had him look at soil samples pulled on my property a couple months ago and he insulted me. He said, 17:06 your ground sucks. You've got low c e c soils on that one field. He says, your ground is basically like Chad Henderson's. 17:13 So he insulted my farm by telling me that my ground was similar to hits. So I'm not sure, I think we both got insulted, Chad, 17:20 That's, that tells you that I've done a pretty good job with our ground getting it up then, don't it? Yeah, 17:24 Yeah, right. You've made, you've made your Alabama stuff, but I thought it was interesting. So I 17:29 Got a question, so, and let's, let's talk about this week bean deal just just for a brief second, or can you explain, 17:36 could you help people understand the speed of the process of this breakdown? What would speed it up? We obviously know weather and heat, you know, 17:45 rainfall maybe, but can you give a few pointers as to what speeds it up, what people could be looking for in a timeframe if they sprayed it in the summer 17:53 or if they sprayed it in the, in the, in the spring, if they sprayed it in the fall. Can can you talk through that just a second for us back? 18:00 Uh, you bet normally when you, uh, in the summer you're gonna have more heat, you're gonna have more sunlight, 18:06 it's gonna warm up and tend to have more moisture. Uh, those are the key factors in making it work as fast as it's gonna work. You know, the more moisture you get, the more sunlight, the more heat, 18:19 it's gonna speed it up. Uh, when we get to where we get colder climates, you know, 18:24 we get heavier dews and frost and stuff like that in the north and the fall, you know, it's gonna slow it down a little bit, but it's still, 18:33 once we get the bugs out, they're unleashed. They're there, you know, they're gonna start attacking. Uh, but it's to enhance it, 18:42 uh, it's, I don't know, other than what we've put in the product because it's been researched, you know, we've got the molasses, we got the food source in there, 18:51 and you got the some nitrogen in there. Uh, I don't think there's anything, but it's still gotta take a little time to do it. 18:58 And then if you do run a tillage tool, like a vertical till or anything in that, I don't know if you do that, Chad, but that's another way that you could, uh, 19:07 size your residue a little bit, you know, and, uh, aerate it a little bit. That might be another way to, to get it. But in a true no-till situation, uh, 19:17 I'd like to see some of that side to side, but where I've seen it, it, it looks really good, uh, both ways, 19:23 no till or invention till it, uh, once we get it on. And like I said, if you got some moisture and temperature it, it makes it work. 19:31 And with all the goodies that are packed in there, uh, it just takes it to another level. By the way, how many of your wheat, you don't, 19:43 you don't do soybeans following every acre of wheat, do you? Yes, 19:48 You do. And then how many of the acres on a percentage or a number, uh, got this treatment? 19:55 Um, we used it on a hundred acre, we got a hundred acres that we've got it on. So it's not like a small treatment, you know? Yeah. And on the, we've got it on 30 acre plot or 40 acre, 20:07 40 acre plot on the corn and a hundred acre plot on the beans. Okay. So it's, it's enough to give us some, some, you know, some comparison, 20:14 some side by side stuff and, And we've got it in a big field where we got 40 acre square, 40 acre square that's not treated at all, you know, 20:22 but all the beans planted the same day, treated the same way, and we just didn't treat the 40 acres with that. I had to make it, you know, 20:28 I made another treatment. That's what we have to do a lot of times, you know, and it ain't always the easiest thing to do, but we, we can't get, you know, 20:34 we spray a hundred acre loads with our sprayers. So to do these treatments, you know, a lot of people wonder, well, 20:39 how you do that or how you do this treatment. We make the whole treatment and then we come back and put this product in these zones, you know, put a product in this zone, 20:47 put a fertility product in this zone, and we zone these farms out to where we have checks and strips and checks and strips across the whole thing. 20:55 Got it. So I guess I wanted to make sure we're talking about this treatment is, is this something that should be done in, you know, 21:01 we're talking about doing it in the fall or following the combine? Uh, Mike, should this be, I mean, 21:07 are you really convinced that this is something that our guys are gonna see the result from and say like, yeah, 21:12 now it's a standard practice that after the combine runs when I have my, my, you know, 21:16 maybe Chad probably more than some of the northern people gotta go out there and, and do a spray for winter annuals and that kind of thing. 21:23 Is this something you think are you convinced is gonna be become commonplace? I do. I I believe it's gonna be another chain in the link to get us, you know, 21:31 we've plateaued, uh, in a lot of ways in yields and things like that across the corn belt and you know, maybe even in the southern states. Uh, 21:41 and to just another chain to take it to the next level. You know, we're looking at basically how to build a better mouse trap. 21:47 We've got a re we've got a residue issue because we keep increasing our yields, we're making more biomass and we've gotta do something with it. 21:56 Tillage is not the total answer. Uh, it's part of the part of the answer, but it's not the total answer because there's some acres that, you know, 22:04 tillage is, is not gonna be what, what you wanna do. Uh, but where you do run tillage, you know, 22:11 it takes two or three trips sometimes to get rid of that 250, 300 bushel corn. And, uh, this product, uh, is gonna help that tremendously. 22:21 You're basically, you're gonna be able to, uh, if you have adequate moisture and temperature, you are basically gonna cut down a tillage pass. 22:30 Yeah. So we're talking about essentially the, the fall on this because we wanna make sure this is timely for you, dear listener. So the point is, 22:37 Chad's now being encouraged to go and put this out there. So it sounds like another experiment, uh, that's gonna be giving you results. 22:43 'cause he is already done the stuff, uh, on the corn. So we'll be talking about what happens on the post harvest, uh, on the, uh, and by the way, should he put it on after this? 22:52 We did after wheat to go double crop beans? Should he do a treatment on the beans when they come off on the bean ground? I guess? 22:58 Well, what, what, what we wanna do is do a treatment on the corn where we're gonna put the wheat bag. Yeah. You know, 'cause then we're trying to break all that down, 23:05 that corn fodder down and get that into the wheat plant, you know, and then, and then we can talk about the finances side of it for just seconds. You know, 23:12 you know, this stuff is, I wouldn't say it's pretty expensive, but it is, you know, it's a good product. It's got several things in it and you know, 23:18 it is costly. But with saying that, you know, you have to, you know, I'm the one that reallocates money all the time. Well, well, 23:25 their whole thing is, you know, we wanna reallocate this in the fertilizer program. Right. You know, when instead of us blowing out dry fertilizer, 23:31 we can use so much this whole organics, you know, and cut back our dry fertilizer rates, you know, and, um, and make it fit in the schedule instead of just adding money to the cost of the 23:41 farm. You know, we gotta make, find a piece where it fits in financially as well. Yeah. And, and that, and that's probably Mike, 23:47 what you would recommend is if we're, if we're reallocating money, it comes out of synthetic or traditional fertilizer programs and goes into this, 23:56 right? That's correct, yes. Over time, uh, we can get, uh, you know, your usage, 24:02 your efficiency a lot better with the existing fertilizer that you're using. But the biggest thing is we help break down what nutrition that you've already 24:10 got tied up in the soil. There's a tremendous amount of phosphorus and potassium and micros in the soil. It's just tied up, it's unavailable. It's like it's in a bank that, 24:21 uh, they lost, uh, your bank number and they won't let you take your, But the fall treatment, Chad, you're going to do, you're, 24:28 you're gonna shell corn off here in another six weeks, let's say, and then you're gonna go out and spray it, 24:34 and then you're gonna put in wheat right behind it. Winter wheat. Correct. Yep. I'm, I would like to wait, you know, unless, 24:40 unless we wanna go out there and do, run right behind to come by and to see if we can get another week or two head start. But usually, you know, I'm going to gather this corn, um, 24:48 in the month of September. The, the three weeks, first three weeks of September I wanna be finished. Okay. All and then I'm gonna start on planting the wheat the last week of October. 24:59 So it'll have you So it's got five weeks, six weeks. Yeah. Yeah. On, on it, you know, and I'd like to wait and really put the organics in, 25:07 like he said with that herbicide pass where I'm not making another pass. Right. You know, my herbicide burned down in front of my wheat that goes no-till. 25:14 We wanna run the organics in and then the organics has got all winter. I don't have for it to be gone in a week or two weeks. 25:20 It's got all winter to break that thing down and Get it in more. No, you no till, you no-till that wheat into the corn stalks. That's right. And so if it does have six weeks, which it already has six weeks, 25:32 but you're saying if you could do this and it might accelerate that six week breakdown and get you better seed to soil contact or more importantly, 25:40 better availability of nutrients, right? Yep. Well, it gets, and, and also it would get a get, maybe it'd get nutrients in my plants before my plant goes dormant. You know, 25:47 like where you're at up north where they get to where, you know, your plant's going to go dormant in, you know, 1st of November. Yeah. You know, 25:54 well, mine may not go Dorma until the 1st of December. Right. So if I can pick up some nutrients for a month, you know, 26:00 and get it into that plant where it's already in there for spring greenup, I feel like I'm further ahead. 26:07 Got it. So Mike, get me outta here. What else do I need to know about the, the fall pass looks like he's got, when you really think about it, 26:13 it's really a post harvest pass, post harvest pass in the wheat, double post harvest pass, uh, in the corn stalks. We didn't answer. 26:19 Are we're gonna do a pass on the soybeans when they get harvested this fall that went in behind wheat? Or does it need to you, 26:26 You can, uh, if you wanna start cycling the, the residue on that as well, get the nutrients ready to go, you know, that's, 26:34 it'll help that pass next spring. It'll warm the soil up a little quicker. Uh, does 26:38 It pencil out? Yes, definitely does. Just like I said, this is a journey. You're trying to take your soil from where it is today, 26:46 and we wanna put a turbo on that soil getting everything percolating and it's, it's a starting point baseline, 26:54 and you'll start cycling the nutrition out. You'll get your money's back, there's no question. And the other thing, 26:59 you're basically gonna be getting a bigger ratio in our product and our fall product with the fungi and produce in there. 27:06 You're getting more fungi and produce in our fall product, and that's what does the heavy lifting and the breaking the p and k and your 27:13 organic nitrogen and breaking the lignin and stuff down. And then the other thing back to Chad, 27:19 where he is gonna be following up with wheat, uh, coming back in there, our product will also help, uh, his wheat, uh, germinate faster. 27:28 It will get, will get, get started and grow and, uh, get the full rooting effect of our product as well. Got it. Chad, what, what else? 27:39 I'm, I'm mean, I'm seeing things from it already, you know, that I'm willing to try and, and like I said, 27:45 it's all about fitting it into a budget. You know, it's, it's not, you know, too many times here at Extreme Mag, you know, we're about put this product, 27:51 put that product, but we still gotta talk about the finances product and figure out where we're gonna put it in the regimen, you know? And that's, 27:56 that's where we're gonna put it in. You know, we've been putting out, you know, I'm, I'm not a guy to bash a bunch of dry fertilizers, 28:03 but I've been putting dry fertilizer out all my life. Yeah. You know, and, and then we talk about that bank and that vault, 28:08 and I'm still waiting on the key to that vault and I ain't seen it yet, you know, but, uh, 28:12 Yeah. So, so I mean, the reality is this is, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's a different way of thinking. All right. We're gonna get out here on that. 28:18 And that's the good thing about biologicals. We're talking about biologicals fall treatment. What should you be doing? What should you be at least experimenting with? And Chad's doing that for you. 28:25 'cause that's why we're here at Extreme Ag. We got hundreds of videos, guys like Chad, Kevin, Matt, uh, Kelly Temple. You know what they do? 28:31 They shoot videos out in the field and they put 'em up there on the extreme Ag Do Farm website. We've got hundreds of these podcasts and they're all free. So, 28:39 you know what, share these with someone that can benefit from them. Thanks so much for watching and, and like I said, use this to your benefit. 28:45 His name's Chad Henderson. His name is Mike Batson with Hogans. If you wanna learn more about that, where do they go? Mike 28:51 Hogans or wholeganics mid-south dot com or Holganix, H O L G A N I X, holganix. My name's Damien Mason. Until next time, 29:01 thanks for being here. That's a wrap for this episode of Cutting the Curve, but there's plenty more. Check out Extreme where you can find past episodes, 29:11 instructional videos and articles to help you squeeze more profit outta your farm. 29:17 Cutting the curve is brought to you by Advanced Drainage Systems, the leader in agriculture, water management solutions.

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