Uptake! Getting Fertility Into The Plant
17 Jun 2212 min 26 sec

As Fertilizer prices are high, farmers like Matt Miles are looking for ways to increase the effectiveness of their existing nutrients. We talk to Robbo Dedman from Ultimate Ag Consulting and James Paterson of Agrotech USA  about increasing plant uptake availability, how it works? and why you need to understand what is happening in your soil?

00:00 Greetings coming to you from Miles Farms or McGehee Arkansas. We're talking about uptake, you know, what prices of 00:06 fertility through the roof, you've probably got fertility in your soils that you're not getting the biggest benefit from why 00:12 because we've always over applied fertilizer and under under uptake it for the plant. That's what we're talking about today. I got 00:21 Rob Deadman ultimate Consulting and a business partner of Matt and Lane miles. I'm also got James Patterson with Agro Tech 00:27 USA, we're gonna be talking about uptake. All right, you met each other because you went to a conference and you knew that your tissue samples and 00:36 corn said not enough phosphorousness plant and you knew there's boatloads of phosphorus out in that field because of old chicken litter you start 00:42 looking into this a little bit more. You said I'm gonna grow on this guy. I know that we need to get more of the fertility up 00:48 into the plant. That was your journey start me from kind of then and bring me till now. So, you know, yeah well doing 00:54 a webinar during covid and James had a presenter and they were present about the product. That's I mean during the webinar called Madison Matt. This is a 01:03 product. We've got to have I said this is gonna fix our problems and you know, it's natural like everything else. I always tell him yeah. 01:09 Yeah, we'll have test it that reached out to James right after the webinar. He answered the phone told him what what I was trying to do. What we wanted to do. He immediately 01:18 said well we can work here we can we can help here and and I told him I said, you know James I said her pH is or our five eight to six 01:27 five. He said that's exactly where we want to be at. and he said let me send you some trial product and he did and we put it out and 01:36 Like we've talked about, you know, we put it out in several different tests last year. All over this Farm it never lost it never 01:44 lost. We consistently saw greater, you know. 17 23 even greater amounts of tissue uptake of Fosters in 01:56 the plants you when you say about your tissues compared to year over year when you hadn't used any of this stuff that's specifically designed to get more nutrients up 02:05 into plant. You said 17% more and it was being up taking the plant 17 was a low end. Okay, and it wasn't it wasn't as compared to previous years. It was compared to the untreated 02:14 side by side that year real quickly to the to the farm operator. That doesn't do tissue sampling we've talked about this before here at extreme AG if you're not just you sampling those plants might 02:23 look okay when you're driving by they might not look okay when you drive by but if you're not too sampling, you don't know what the hell's going on not so tissue 02:29 samples, you know to me are like the report card for the crop, you know, there's so many other nutrients that we can't we can't fix it right now. You're 02:38 in a crop but it gives us a road map a report card of how can we repair things for next year? How can we be better prepared for next year, you know some of these micro 02:47 nutrients and things like that. We can fix those deficiency in crop some of our Majors. It's pretty hard to fixing crap James. 02:53 Sales agronomists for agrotech USA uptake going into the crop. Have we been missing out on this and now it's going to be like this easy 03:02 thing that we just figured out like holy crap. Why the tickets this long is that where we are with this whole issue, you know, I think it's just 03:08 been brought to light due to number reasons one where commodity prices are in terms of fertilizer now, so now our input costs are 03:14 going up. But if we look at the trend about where our actual technology has been going and we look at the equipment in the timing we've been 03:20 doing this all along. We're getting more more efficient every year. We're putting fertilizer down more precisely. We're applying for 03:26 fertilizer with why drops where timing things for a certain reason why we timing things we're timing things because we're going 03:32 to get the nutrients to the crop where it's got the greatest opportunity to uptake them. 03:37 All right. I have this idea that you know Necessities mother invention. We've talked about this before and some of the past episodes of cutting the curve. It took fertility 03:46 prices getting to this point fertilizer prices again this point where we're like going. What can I do? What can I do? What can I do this 03:52 seems like an easy thing to do. So, you know, I'll talk to that. You know, it seems to me that in the industry that we're in sometimes it takes things like these really 04:01 high fertilizer prices. He's really high commodity prices to rock the boat to get it to get 04:07 Farmers to be willing to make change and it's great. As our farmers are in America. Some of them are a little bit hard-headed and and really yeah, they're a little hard-headed. All right, you know, we won't 04:17 call any names of my miles but to get changed to drive change on their Farms, but why do you why do you change success and with new to charge 04:26 we were able to change success and bring forth greater success. So what are we using this on? I mean 04:32 if it helps one plant, it's not like a herbicide. We're specific to Broad leaves or grass. Whatever. Is it, is this stuff work for everything? 04:39 James yeah, I mean it can be applied essentially it comes down to what are you putting in the soil? You're putting phosphorus down in the soil now we can we can try and look in a crystal ball. 04:48 We're standing right here where there are soil is is here where the soil is over there and that corner of the field is different every 10 04:54 feet. It changes the environment and the availability that fertilizer changes but what we've done is we've just focused on 05:00 the chemistry. The chemistry has been the same since that we've very first started using Foster fertilizer 100 years ago. It's still the 05:06 same thing. All we're doing is basically creating is like putting a tackle shield around your phosphorus giving it the ability to stay available longer in the soil so that your 05:15 crop can take it up when you look at this soybean plant. Is there anything that I'm seeing here that says man, I know that this really took up 05:21 all the phosphorus or is this going to look like any other look very good looking soybean plant by the way, can I tell can you tell 05:27 Well, you know you can look at wait. No number one phosphorus goes to many things. We've got to have phosphorus for for, you know fruit development. We've got 05:36 to have phosphora for fruit development. If you look at the root system on that plant you look how healthy it is. 05:41 I mean naturally we get a person from Indiana down here. And first thing he does he tears all the roots but these plans we've got really strong roots, you know, and and 05:51 we're getting really good stalks. So we're getting the phosphorus into that plant, you know, look at look at the fruiting positions that are already on that plant. Look at the flowers, right, you know, these beans 06:00 here are two and and they're just loaded up with fruit. So we're getting the phosphorus soybeans are such a crab or a phosphorus that maybe 06:09 we don't pay enough attention to that. Is there anything you think that we're missing that the next generation of products will bring us 06:15 about here James. I mean, okay, we got phosphorus dialed in and you've got a nitrogen product, right? Okay. What 06:21 about everything else? I think we're already hitting that way in the market, like look at look at micronutrient efficiency and soils we've we've taken it from just straight oxides and 06:30 sulfates now to EDTA key lights and that enables them to come into the plant. We haven't focused on NPK. They've been the same the same forms. Yeah. We just 06:39 change the timing but we can look at chemistry. With everything in in agriculture. It's all about the chemistry. So we just focus on the chemistry. There's lots of lots of advancement that 06:47 can be made James. You said something pretty smart when we were planning before we turn the camera on and I want to use the game because it's very illustrative. I've 06:53 got a million dollars in the bank, but I can't get it. You said that that's kind of like our soils we might have a whole bunch 07:02 more nutrients in this soil than we're actually pulling out and giving to the plant. Is that what is that? What's going to change that 07:08 what you're going to help us get better at I think that's what we in general in the industry. We have to get better at because we're 07:14 wanting to grow higher you'll crops in the past. It was fine just to put fertilizer on the full and know that you're going to release enough to 07:20 pull it off. But if you're trying to hit these high yields these guys are doing you have to focus on making more available at the time because you can't be short. It's 07:26 just like that you want to go to the you want to go buy a car, but you can pull that ten dollars. You can't buy the vehicle. 07:32 Rob uptake it's probably something that we've never really been as good at you started getting good at it. What do you still have to learn? 07:41 So, you know, I think one of the key things that we've got to learn is is can we do a better job can we can we 07:47 utilize products like neutral charge and and Get more nutrients in the plant guys. Not only is neutral charger. We see a neutral charge help with a phosphorus. I 07:57 think one of the key things is it's we're seeing it help. The plant take up higher levels of 08:03 all the cations, you know, not only phosphorus but we talked about nitrogen Atomic calcium. We're talking about zinc Boron all of these cations. We're seeing 08:12 to go levels go higher in plant iron. So it's all around us. We're seeing a product that is creating a plant are 08:21 in the soil is making fertilizer where a plant can get it taken up more. You know, I've talked before 08:29 About corn plants being a big soda straw and it can't suck enough nutrients through that soda straw at one time. Right and and I think that by, you know, 08:38 take that analogy of a real thick milkshake. It's hard to get it to go through that straw that's there. 08:43 But you take and then you let it melt. This product is letting it melt and it goes right through there like drinking a soda pop. It's good analogy. We've got two 08:52 good analogies the whole bank and the account and not being able to pull it out. And now the soda straw thing what else did we not cover because 08:58 it seems to me 20 30 years ago 40 years ago the farm. We didn't talk about boron and zinc. I mean we just was kind of off our radar right and now we're worrying about the 09:07 uptake of those things. Is there anything we're missing that you think that we haven't covered here about this the micro nutrient side of it. I mean it all comes back to charge interaction 09:16 in the soil and to boil it down in a really simple way is at the end of the day everything has a chance. It's either a 09:22 positive or A negative in this right? Yeah and and positive and negative bond together. It's neither of 09:28 them is available to the plant. So what we try and do is we just looked at the chemistry around can we put a big negative in 09:34 the soil and a big negative in our product? That is gothic. What's that mean? It means it draws moisture to the molecule and we need moisture to make nutrients available. So you 09:43 have this situation where you have all these these holding On a molecule that pull moisture to it 09:49 and also pull nutrients and because we can fix it in this little artificial environment. It means it doesn't fix to other things in the soil and just gives it a better chance of being 09:58 taken up by the plant. We leave it there you get one last contribution because you've only been using this type of a product now, this is our second 10:05 year. Right what we got, we're gonna look back at after the end of this year and say boy learn another one. 10:10 You know, I think I think we just got to continue to look at the nitrogen use efficiencies and can we do a better job within the nitrogen and and then 10:16 we'll continue to look at more products that they have and and look at those nitrogen products. 10:21 James Patterson uptake final notes on uptake for the plants I mean at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much money you spend. It's about 10:30 how much you get back. So you just got to focus on looking at and everybody's going to be different and there's no Miracle product for 10:36 every situation. You've got to understand your soles where your goals are at and make sure you're putting on the right nutrients the first I guess I'm glad 10:42 you brought the ROI because I always ask the farm guys about that and we did a previous recording. We talked to Matt miles and he said it's about 10:48 five dollars an acre. If I get one more bushel of corn at seven bucks. I made money but I didn't just get one bushel of corn. We're in a bean field right now if we use an uptake product 10:57 like this. Are we still talking about five bucks an acre? I mean, we look at it like this we get around to 10% bump and yield 11:03 so if you take a guy it's got a really low yielding crop that he under input sin. Yeah. He's not getting it a seven 11:09 a 17 but because it's soil was already being mine you already maybe didn't have the nutrients where it needed to be. He's getting it. He's getting a positive economic responsible. Yes, 11:18 because his product cost isn't a lot because he's using very little fertilizer it all comes down to managing expectations. Yeah. 11:24 So from our eyes standpoint, We can very easily pencil out these kind of products because we already spent that we did the hard work. We got the fertility in the soil. Those 11:33 are the easy work of applying a product like this and getting the fertilizer out of it. Right so lately. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's really 11:39 easy to make products like this work in a program. Got it. If people want to learn more about this, of course, you can go to extreme agnot Farm extreme agnot Farms 11:48 where we have hundreds of these kinds of videos. We have all the cutting the curve podcast you can catch that as a video or an audio you can 11:54 go back and see all the stuff we've done prior including on this very subject. If you want to learn more about these specific products that James represents Agro 12:00 Tech USA agratank. 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