00:00 Stacking nodes on soybeans. That's what we're talking about. And you may know a lot more about this than me, but I'm telling you what, 00:06 I'm completely confused. I don't know what a node is, I don't know how to stack them. But that's what we're gonna cover in this episode of Extreme A Cutting the 00:12 Curve. Welcome to Extreme, A Cutting the Curve podcast where you get a guaranteed return on investment of your time as we cut your learning curve with the information you can apply to 00:26 your farming operation immediately. Extreme ag, we've already made the mistakes so you don't have to. Managing your farm's water resources is a critical component to a successful 00:38 and sustainable farming operation. Advanced drainage systems helps farmers just like you increase their yields up to 30% with their technologically advanced water management products. 00:50 Visit ad s pipe.com to see how they can keep your business flowing. Now, here's your host, Damien Mason. Hey 00:59 There. Extreme ash cutting the curve coming at you with temple roads and matte miles. And you know what, we're talking now about stacking nodes on soybeans. 01:07 How do you do it? Why do you do it? Why do you have to do it? Obviously for bigger yields and more profit, that's why we do it. 01:14 I have Temple Roads and Matt Miles, two of my favorite people to ever talk to, and they're gonna tell us how they go about stacking nodes, 01:21 the different practices they each do on their farms to get high yield soybeans. Temple. What the hell's a node and how do I stack them? 01:31 Well, let, let's go way back to the beginning because there's no sense in us talking about stacking notes or me explaining what a note is, 01:38 and I'm gonna let Matt explain all that. But, um, let's go back to the beginning if you are not going to set the plan up. So let's, let's take for instance, if, um, 01:50 a friend of mine is a 45 bushel guy and my other friend is Matt Miles and he's a hundred bushel guy, the setup is very, very different. 02:00 Um, and the 45 bushel guy friend of mine, he's not gonna want to stack nodes or try to accomplish this. The hundred bushel guy like Matt is going to try to accomplish everything that 02:12 he needs to start. So in order to even start this process, you have to, you have to treat it differently because a 45 bushel plant is very, 02:22 very different than a hunter bushel plant. So you can't go out there with the fertility and the, um, the program of 45 bushel beans and expect to stack 02:33 news and add a lot of yield because it will absolutely, positively never happen. Do you agree with that, Matt? Yeah, I do. Now, first of all, I'm not a hundred bushel guy. 02:43 I'm more of an 80 bushel guy. So let's get that clear now, but yes. Hey, let's just, let's just talk about where I've seen your yields at. 02:51 Let's just, let's just call that be it. Ok. But just go ahead. Yeah, no, I, I totally agree. You know, when we're looking at, you know, 02:59 and we talk about high yield a lot, but high yield's a different beast depending on where you're at. So if you've got 35 bushel ground, 03:08 55 bushel is a high yield. Yeah. Right? If you got 70 bushel ground, 90 bushels a high yield. So you've gotta decide where you're at. And, and, 03:18 and it's not all about hunter bushel beans. It's about where you're at on the ground you are and what you can produce. Yeah. And you've said that before on our recordings that, you know, 03:28 let's not get hung up on the number. Really, it's about the scale over what would be typical, uh, the scale over what would be your standard or average or county average. And, 03:40 you know, we all love that farm. People like to judge the neighbors and, and all that kinda stuff, but there was some reality there. So yeah, 03:45 whether it's 80 or 70 or a hundred or 60, whatever that number is, it's really just talking about going above county average in this regard. 03:52 And so, uh, temple's point is, if you're gonna be at the county average, which maybe it is in some places, 45 bushel, let's say, and you're saying, now I wanna be a, I wanna be, you know, 04:02 70% more than that, whatever that is, 50% more than that. It's not just about throwing a 50% more fertilizer. 04:09 We've talked about that a lot. Kemp Temple on this very podcast, you know, in the old days it was just, you know, throw more mpk, throw more fertilizer, 04:15 throw more fertilizer. It's not about that. It's about all this cool stuff we're doing now. Plant growth regulators, stress reduction strategies, uh, population changes, 04:23 which I think is the most interesting part of what, one of the things I've learned since I joined you guys, a population study that found that, uh, you know, 04:31 one third or one half of a rate actually ends up having a, the same amount of yield. 04:36 Do you know that Kelly did it there a couple years ago? Yeah. So, alright, I want to do better than average. I want to up my soybean game. 04:43 What's the first step? Temple? So one, if you like, for, for me, for instance, I do, I have an infer a plan, and I have a, 04:53 a two by two plan that I put on my fertility, and I put a bunch of stuff in furrow, and that's how I start the, start the process. So I know I'm going after good yields. 05:04 I know what prior yields, what prior years, what I've lacked in. So I try to get ahead of that. So I'm doing all that by getting in my infer and getting in my tuba two. 05:15 So now I've set my stage, right? So I'm setting that stage for what I'm gonna do. So then my next process is, is I put all this fertility in there, 05:25 now I need to learn how to slow 'em down. And when you stack nodes, that's what you're trying to do. You're trying to, 05:33 you're trying to slow that plant down because the plant naturally wants to grab a hold of energy from phosphorus, nitrogen, um, 05:42 it's gonna grab a hold of it and it's going elong. And when we're, when we're talking about stacking nudes, we're trying to make them not e longie. 05:51 So that's all we're doing. So when we talk about stacking each one of those nodes, that's where branch is gonna come out, and that's where it's gonna lay, 05:59 lay a little cluster on there, a cluster of beans, right? So that's where all those little nodes that go up that plant is, 06:05 and we're talking about main stem nodes. We're not talking about nodes that are down the branches and all that. We're just talking about each individual, 06:13 one of those nodes where it stacks a cluster of beans. Matt, you know, he didn't, he Matt, he didn't really answer when I asked him, but he got around to it. I mean, 06:23 this is kind of like a conversation with sort of attention deficit guy and I'm that person. Yeah. So is he. And so are you. 06:29 I'm that guy too. And so he got around to it. A node is the, is the area on the main stem that branches come 06:38 off of when we're talking about stacking them, we want to do that to create a bushier fuller plant. Is that my understanding? That's correct. That's 06:46 Part of it, that's correct. So Count, count a node is a fruiting branch. Okay. So when we say V3 beans, you know, or, or, 06:55 or r one beans, there's X amount of nodes on there. So on those nodes, it, you know, and I, we do this a lot in cotton. So we, we, 07:05 cotton is very more receptive to, uh, applications that will stack the nodes. Beans are something that, you know, I say this all the time, you know, corn's like a dog. You can teach a, 07:17 you can train a dog, and beans are like a cat. So we're still learning, try to train a cat to sit and stay and heal, you know, so we're, 07:24 we're having to kind of learn this as we go. But temple's exactly right now, I'm totally opposite of him. So he's using infer and Tuba two, you know, 07:33 my fertility program is done in the fall when I put out a lot of poultry litter. So I've got real fertile ground. And when you're, when you have, 07:41 and he and I have the same problem, when you have real fertile ground, the bean tends to want to elongate as he says. And, 07:49 and the nodes will be, you know, maybe this far apart. So if you, if you're looking at 18 to 21 nodes, you know, 07:56 and you've got a and you don't do anything about this, then your plant's gonna be like, here. So what's that plant? What does a really tall person do? A lot of 'em pump over, you know, 08:08 they can't stand up or whatever if you get too tall. And that's what the beans do. So there's ways that you can, you know, different ways that you can do to try to shorten that stature. 08:18 I had my agronomist come out, look this past week at my beans. He said, man, he said, the nodes you have at as short as your bean, uh, 08:26 bean is your bean plant is, you've really got something going on here. So there's several different ways to achieve that, you know, and, 08:34 and we both do it absolutely different in ways, but if you're gonna grow a, a high yield bean in a high fertility environment, you have to, 08:45 I guess you would say protect the height of the beam. Okay. So yeah, that's one of the things I remember, and Kelly, we discussed this, 08:54 and it might have been his derecho year where he spoke about he had beans that were five feet tall. Uh, you know, he is like, 09:01 these things were pu you know, pushing the size of a, of a guy, and then obviously the wind just took him down. 09:06 He still ended up having amazing yields. And he is like, imagine if I've actually gotten, kept those beans standing, which is I think, 09:13 if I remember correctly in that discussion way back when was then his thing about plant growth regulators, plant growth regulators. 09:19 And I think that's where we're gonna go here. So if you wanna stack your nodes to have maximum amount of branching and bushier plant that yields you higher stuff temple that gets you over county average, 09:28 it gets you 20%, 30% more soybeans. You've gotta have 'em stacked, gotta have 'em dense. 09:32 And you can't have that plant get too big because then you're gonna have the issue like Kelly did, where it blows over. 09:38 Yeah, that's right. But Matt, tell 'em where we start at. Tell 'em exactly where you get most of your stacking from, right outta the gate. 09:46 Yeah. Right outta the gate. I get most of my stacking from early planting. So the earlier you can push that planting, the, 09:53 the more the plant wants to be short, if you plant, you know, so you take a, I can plant a, I can plant a bean march the 15th, 16th, 10:03 and I can plant a bean June behind a wheat and it's, it, there's two, three foot difference in the plants, but it's, 10:10 it's all due to the heat and the day length and how we make that plant shorten up. The earlier we planted, 10:18 whether you're looking at March 15th for me or a guy in, in, in Maryland or, or where you're at, Damon, that is, you know, maybe April 15th or, yeah. 10:27 Right. It's interesting. It's almost counterintuitive. You, you'd think you're gonna have a bigger plant if it goes out earlier. 10:35 But you're saying that because of the temperature and it's ambient as well as soil tempera, I'm guessing it, it, it's just, 10:43 it's interesting because when it starts growing it, it already is setting, it already is setting itself up for being a shorter plant, 10:51 even at the time it sprouts. And you're talking about a month from now when it's actually starts to matter when a plant doesn't get too big. 10:59 Yep. So Happens, happens earlier. One thing that I'll tell you is, is like when you look at a plant's life cycle and you pull that plant apart 11:07 and you shed all the leaves, all the branches off, you start to look at those nodes, you can almost follow each one of those nodes back. 11:13 So what Matt's talking about is this. Each one of them knows that it's setting, when you put it in really early like that, 11:21 he is doing environmental stacking of nodes. Because every time he goes through a stress period, it'll stack a node and it'll shorten them up. Now, 11:32 if you get a two week window or a weak window where it got really warm and he got perfect rainfall, you can watch, 11:40 the next node will be elongated. And that's where you get into problems. So one of the things that we do to compensate that or to try 11:50 to, you know, rectify that, is we're doing what Matt is talking about. You know, we'll come in with some type of, um, 11:58 we've shortened the nodes by putting chemistry on. We have shortened the nodes by putting fertility on. Um, all of these things keep in mind, I'm telling you about them. 12:10 And this happens in the vegetative stages. You know, there's certain things that you can and can't do. And Matt and I have learned this the really hard way. Um, 12:20 we've destroyed our beans before by, you know, trying to stack nodes using chemistry. Um, Matt and I both have done that. We have messed up a lot. Um, but we're, 12:32 we're getting better about doing the right things because we're starting to understand that cat, as Matt said. 12:42 Um, you said the, the ways you go about stacking nodes and shortening the plant. Okay, first off time of planting and it doesn't matter. Yes, if you're in the, 12:51 in the delta of Arkansas, it's a different time than it is in and then the Midwest, right? It's just, it's more or less it's just early for your own environment. Yeah. 12:59 Early for your own environment. And so you're talking about a week, two weeks. Does that make a difference? Yep, 13:04 That makes a big difference. Okay. So two weeks makes a big difference. And then the next way about going about stacking those and keeping a plant 13:09 that's shorter, uh, is using chemistry. We've used chemistry. Matt, what chemistry have you used As far as plant those regulators is another way, right? 13:20 Yeah. Well, we'll get to that in a minute. We're Talking about herbicide chemistry. Yes. 13:25 So we, we've tried the, uh, you know, the big thing with, uh, a guy, you know, 13:30 there was a guy making hunter bushel beans for we ever even knew how to make Eddie Bushel beans. 13:35 And he was using products like Cobra and he was burning them. They were people bush hogging. So they'd get a bean v4 and then mow it off. 13:44 You know, different ways trying to figure that out. You know, with, with chemistry, even mechanical, you know, go through there with a roll, 13:51 roll 'em down, you know, try to, I, I'll know, and I know Tim's seen this when you run over a bean, like on a turn row, you know that bean will just get crazy big. But, 14:03 but it's back to natural selection and natural what the beans is gonna do. You know, we've tried all those different things. 14:09 Now I've had good luck with my normal chemistry. I've tried the chemistry to burn 'em back and I mean, literally thought I was gonna kill 'em and I didn't get anything from that. 14:22 But like, when we spray a herbicide out there, and I'm gonna use Flexstar dual, you know, at as say V five, you know, 14:32 right before R one, when you get to R one, you don't wanna put anything on there from a chemistry standpoint because they knock the blooms off. Okay. You know, some of these other products will too. 14:42 But, you know, we, I always tried to spray my beans with back before, we're using dmic beans now with something that would kind of a little 14:51 bit, I guess, hurt 'em. Cause you'd spray the beans and for three or four days you would have, you know, they'd be brown. Not a hundred percent brown, but have, it would, 15:00 you could tell it would hurt 'em. And what I decided then was listen to Temple a lot. I'm losing photosynthesis when I'm doing that, you know, 15:10 and I think with Cobra or whatever, it's, it, you know, we're, we may be trying to stack nodes with that, but we're also losing, you know, 15:18 leaf surface to get photons. So there's some things out there now we're doing differently between PGRs and, you know, different fertility that will keep the photons going, going, 15:29 but actually stack to Node at the same time. Tim Bull, I gotta tell you, I, I think it was like 15, 12 years ago, let's say I'm at the Kentucky Soybean Association for a speaking engagement and 15:39 one of these high yield guys that's, uh, you know, uh, like we are now, uh, showing up an event to talk about some of their strategies. 15:47 And that's the first time I ever heard this thing about go out and abuse your soybeans to get bigger yields. And I thought this seems, 15:52 this seems again counterintuitive. W we do so much to, to keep our plants healthy. We do so much to keep our plants thriving. And then, you know, 16:01 Matt's talking about going out and whacking 'em with something that burns 'em back a little bit because then it actually ends up getting a bigger yield or, 16:08 you know, driving over 'em for God's sakes or whatever. When, when did this become a thing and why does it work? 16:14 Um, so it became a thing probably, you know, 15 years ago for us, you know, we started playing with us, you know, like, like Matt said, we, 16:23 we messed with Cobra for a while, but the problem with a lot of the herbicides were, we'll just call it chemistries. Um, 16:32 it affected a lot of different varieties very differently. You know, we, it may affect one variety and you have huge bonuses to it. 16:41 And then the next one you have a negative yield. So it was so all over the place that you couldn't follow it. So I started to go away from it quite a few years ago and I started going into 16:52 more of a, um, a fertility burn, you know, and I, I kind of, I wanted to with fertility, I didn't wanna do it mechanical. I didn't wanna do it with herbicides cause it was too hard to rely on, 17:06 but I didn't wanna lose anything. So I figured I could get the best of both worlds. I could get a little fertility out it or I could stone them a little bit. 17:14 And then we started rolling into this thing that Matt's talking about, you know, that we came up with, you know, we wanna stone 'em, we wanna burn 'em back, 17:22 but we don't wanna brown them up where we're stopping photosynthesis because what would we pay or what would we do for, you know, 17:30 three more days of four more days of sunlight exposure on our solar panels? You know, 17:36 solar panel doesn't work very good if you take a hammer and you hit it and you crack it. But if you, um, if you still these plants, 17:46 you can keep 'em from getting from elongating. You can make him bush here, you can make him branch. And for every action there is a reaction. 17:55 And the reaction that a plant has, uh, like a soybean is it's gonna branch out because it's only like that cycle that it just wants to do. It just wants to grow, 18:06 it wants to reproduce and it wants to die. And we're trying to keep it growing prior to getting into reproductive stack as many nodes as we can, 18:15 because we know we're gonna build clusters on each one of those nodes and we want branching. So we do all of that all along. So it's kind of a program. 18:24 You know, Matt and I come up with a lot of this together. Um, it's a program that we're doing and we ate a lot of these humic and folic in 18:33 there along with, uh, you know, I, I guess a lack of better terms, a, a sulfur burn. Um, and that's what we're using to these plants, 18:42 but we wanna 'em stop 'em, but we don't wanna burn up our solar panel. Mm-hmm. You know, crack it with a hammer. Mm-hmm. Um, so we can keep 'em going. 18:52 And then immediately after that happens, you know, either with that or immediately after that, we'll throw in a micro pack to try to get 'em back going again. Revitalize 'em, 19:03 you know, um, jumpstart 'em again with a P G R. And we can do that a couple different times. And we can stack nodes and we can artificially, you know, 19:14 Matt is doing it and has been doing this for years environmentally, and now we're in implementing environment plus, 19:24 um, you know, artificial, you know, herding the plant, stimulating the plant, whatever you want to call it. And now we're using all those things together and we're just learning more and 19:37 more and more on what we can and can't do. Um, then we take it from here. And then Matt um, talked about that a minute ago. You know, 19:47 you have to stop all this at some point, you know, when you start to see blooms, that's 19:52 Where I, I wanna, I wanna go to, I wanna go to two things. I wanna go, how do you stop it? And I also wanna go, can you make up, uh, for it, 19:58 for I do that I want to ask our listeners a question about crop stress. If you're tired of dealing with weather induced crop stress, 20:06 and I know you have it, you had it in the spring, maybe it got cold, maybe it was all, it was artificially hot, maybe all of a sudden your, 20:12 your soils were wet and cold. The point is, are you having weather induced crop stress? You probably are because you are in farming, you have that, 20:19 it's time for you to turn to terramar. An innovative bio stimulant technology from Loveland products designed to help your corn and soybean crops thrive even under stressful conditions. Terramar, 20:29 it's a cool product. I think it's the one that uses like algae or some kind of seaweed technology. 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I mean, you know, I, I've become a habitual liar, okay? 21:13 So I used to never lie my whole life and I've become a hi habitual liar and who I'm lying to is my plants because we're using products now to trick that plant 21:23 to say, you've gotta put on nodes, you gotta put on fruit because this is happening, you know, we're talking about pgr. So, and there's, there's different levels of pgr. 21:35 So you've got natural occurring PGRs as you can put out. You don't like the kelp as a natural, natural thing. 21:41 And you get that plant to decide that it has to make those, it has to do that stuff internally. Yep. 21:49 And then you also have synthetic PGRs and temple's a PGR king, and it tells the plant, I mean, it puts the, the stuff in there. 21:59 It needs to do that. So, you know it later, I would just say this and I, I'd rather maybe Tim glance this better than I can. The later you plant, the further you get behind the curve, the, 22:13 the more trouble you have to try to stack the notes. Okay, one more. I appreciate that. So, so it's, it's, it's, it's very difficult to do if you're planning normal or late season versus early 22:23 season, you're irrigated. Is there any difference between whether it's dry land or irrigated in terms of, of the node stacking practices you do? I mean, 22:35 other than obviously managing the water or when you're crops when you can get in there and spray something or whatever. Aside from that, 22:41 is there any other differences? That'd be a temple question. Is there any differences? 22:48 Um, so yeah, Matt's a hundred percent irrigated. So his is very different. You know, I've had multiple conversations with him about, hey, how, 22:57 how exactly can I manage this crop? You know? And keep in mind, um, 23:04 a a soybean likes to be stressed out and the more that you can stress it out in the vegetative stages, not in the reproductive stages, 23:13 but in the vegetative stages, the more that you can stress that plant out, the more that you can get it to branch out, the more that you can stack nodes, 23:21 all of that is true. Um, the problem comes in is, you know, when you're messing with the environment, you know, if it's, if it's a really, really dry year, you know, um, 23:34 I could potentially grow a better irrigated crop because I can control it all. You know, on drive lane, 23:41 I cannot control when mother nature drops an inch of rain and that plant wants to elongate. 23:49 So you can take steps to go in there to try to set it back. But, you know, how many times do we wanna ride through the field? You know, 23:56 it gets down to the point of, um, Matt is the master of r o I am not, um, that guy at all. Um, 24:05 and he'll tell you that I spend way too much time in the field with sprayers, and he'll tell you that too. Um, 24:11 but this is how I've learned how to grow beans. Um, the way that I've learned how to grow 'em is to keep the sprayer in the field. And every time that I get something that happens with Mother Nature, 24:24 I can react to that. Um, so, so it's a, it's a juggling act, but it's, it's a juggling act for each individual. You know, it, 24:32 one guy has one program, one guy has another program. Mine and match programs are very, very different. But we still, in the end, our end game is still accomplishes the same goal. 24:46 We just don't see it exactly the same. Uh, the other part of it is, so we're talking about ways to, to stack nodes, plant growth, regulator, uh, fertility, the fertility, just so I understand it, 25:00 it's not dec denying it fertility, it's using fertilizer to actually burn your plant is kind of what I heard you say, right? 25:07 Yeah. Yep, that's right. So we'll go over the top of it with, um, kind of a sulfur product. And then are you doing, 25:15 You're doing this when with another pass, are you doing this when you'd like or hitting it with fungicide or something like that? 25:21 I'll do it at a pace where I'll be putting on like fungicide, maybe something else. I try to, Matt's better at that. Uh, I, 25:29 I'll make a separate pass. Matt likes to combine stuff and he does a lot better job with this than what I do. How 25:36 Many times do you, I have a little bit more time, Matt, how many times do you do something? How many times besides the early planting, 25:42 how many times do you do something with the specific goal of stacking nodes it during two of your passes? 25:50 Well, to be honest with you, I've just started doing this after meeting Temple, you know, as far as using to do this. 25:57 So last year we did a little bit. This year we're doing a little bit, we're still in the testing stage on, 26:02 on doing what he is doing to see if it will compare to just our normal standard practice, I guess is what I should say. 26:09 Is this, is this is it, is this safe? Is it safe to say, Matt, that your life will never be the same now that you've met Temple Rhode? 26:17 Cause I actually can say that. I can say that my life will never be the same now that I've met Temple Rhode. Yeah, I've made some few changes since I've met Temple. 26:25 I'm gonna say, I'm just saying my life. I mean, uh, yeah, some, a few changes better, 26:30 Just different. Not better. It's not head, I promise you. Alright, So anyway, I interrupt you to be, to be funny, but, uh, all kidding aside, 26:38 you do a few things and here're, like I said, you're just, you're new at this game. You're going to do a few things through the year. 26:45 Early planning is the first thing. You're gonna do a few things through the year that with the intention of stacking soybean nodes. 26:50 Yeah. Well see, our normal program was early planning and then our herbicide, our actual, 26:56 our lay by herbicide before Bloom was, was, was burning our beans. So that was our thing and we've been fairly successful with that. 27:06 But watching and seeing what temple does, and temple kicks my butt on on in our plots and stuff. He kicks it all the time. So 27:14 He's lying. I barely skirted by him twice. That's it. No, He barely, he 10, 15 bushels an acre on, on our plot. 27:23 So if you're gonna listen to somebody, you're gonna listen to somebody that, that makes less than you're more than you. 27:28 So that's where I started listening to what Tim's doing. I, you know, what's the program you're doing? 27:33 He goes a lot further along than what I've done. Not to say that I'm right or he's right, you know, to be honest with you, Well, remember, uh, 27:42 what was said in Alabama was that peer pressure's only bad if your peers are bad. And so, uh, you know, Matt's using you as a, as a peer by the way, 27:50 speaking about how he always ag brags up other people and acts like somehow he's Matt Miles set the wheat wager competition. 27:58 He beat everybody else in the wheat wager. And if you've been to the Del, it's 108 degrees. Uh, 28:04 I mean like mold grows on you overnight in your bit. Uh, the fact that he did set the record down there is pretty impressive. I think. 28:12 Hold on. I don't, I don't get, I don't get any credit. I don't get any credit. I don't get to be ascended twin, you know, I don't get to do any of that stuff. 28:21 So, and, and I get made fun of for my, for being hot and I call it little Vietnam. So I'm out of that. I'm not talking about heat anymore. I'm outta the heat game. 28:31 What? And I'm, and by the way, you get You, you're making this up. You know what he just said a little while ago? He's turned into a compulsive liar now he's lying about this. 28:39 He gets credit from me. I like run around. I run around basically talking Matt Miles talk all the time. I, I, I, I, I, I, I I How 28:48 Many times have you said he's your favorite guy? Every time I talk to you, I can't 28:52 Say in front Of me that you say that. I can't say it anymore on the stage because I got in trouble for that. But anyway, let's go back to the other thing here, um, 29:00 about what we're talking about then the passes you're using a few different times during the year to, in addition to, while you're putting on fungicide, 29:08 while you're doing other stuff. But one of the little things you're doing in addition to that is I'm gonna set more notes. I'm gonna set more notes. 29:15 I'm gonna keep my notes tighter by doing this thing. Who are you talking To? Matt Temple. 29:22 Um, Temple's. I a little bit hurt Matt, because he already brought up later. My favorite 29:26 Matt's off got Matt Temple. So let's, let's go just drop back for just a second. You know, Matt brought up the fact that, you know, 29:35 him and I have had some friendly banter the past couple years, growing beans against each other. And Matt put in a plot, um, 29:44 at my farm last year, and I did exa his exact program because we're trying to compare each other's program on our dirt to see who can, who out, out, you know, 29:55 outperforms each other. So last year I did one of Matt's program exact, I did my program exec and I'll beat him by a couple bushels. 30:04 But the last two years, me and Matt and I have compared to roi, and he can grow more beans on less dollars than what I can. 30:15 Um, and we've, and we've done that two years in a row. So I'm not saying that my way is a better way at all, um, by a long shot. It's somewhere between what Matt and I are doing together. 30:29 That's why we work so close together. Yep. Is it reasonable that the things you're doing give you, is there 20% more soybeans because of having, uh, 30:42 more tightly packed nodes on your, on a bushier shorter plant? Is it 20%? What's reasonable? What's, why should I do all this work? 30:49 Is it a bushel or is it 10? It can be, it can be a lot because keep in mind the shorter the nodes, the shorter the statue of the plant, the less lodging you're gonna have as well. 31:03 You know, when you have lodged soybeans that you can't get off the ground, um, and then you have a big rain and then you have, uh, beans that are down, 31:12 beans that are wet, beans that got moldy and beans that got into a pr uh, a problem of getting turned away. Matt, 31:20 you had some problems with that last year. Talk about that for a minute. Yeah, so we have extreme issues with damage. 31:27 Cause I shouldn't say this because of our heat. I said I wasn't gonna say it anymore. So if we're, if we're we're right at our beans ripening you getting ready to go and we get, 31:37 we get a bunch of rain, you know, we're still looking at 80 to 90 degree temperatures. Our beans are damaged. I mean, you've seen the pictures of 'em before and our, and we're aggravated, 31:48 you know, our situation's aggravated if they lodge because we're on about an eight inch bed. So if a beam falls over, think about the fact that I, 31:57 I have eight inches below ground surface that I can't even, there's no even no question. I can't cut that. Yeah. 32:03 So it aggravates our situation versus the guy that's on, you know, flat ground. Flat ground, right? Yeah. So I mean, 32:11 even if you're a now a 45 to 55 bushel, bean and temple may correct me on this. And it, and, and another thing we ain't even talked about varieties. 32:22 So well wait a minute. I thought we were done, but all right, let's get the varieties. But before do that, we said temple. 32:26 What's temple gonna correct you on before we get to varieties? Uh, I don't remember now. What was it? 32:33 You said temple's gonna correct me on this. Well, all right then let's get to the varieties I thought about. So, so I stand corrected. We gotta talk about, 32:41 Well, no, what I was gonna say, I, I, I know now 45, 55 bushel bean is probably not gonna lodge in most cases no matter what varie you plant. 32:52 Okay? But if you're in high fertility, you better watch what varieties you plant because there's some really good high yielding varieties that you can plant. But if they lodge, 33:01 you're gonna lose 20 bushel neck, you know? So you have to really watch and have on farm testing on your farm if you're in high fertility, 33:10 what beans you plant to make sure you plant a shorter stack of beans. So we're not just stacking nodes. We're, 33:16 we're planning for the next year based on what we saying next year. Tim, do me a favor. The guy that's tuning in right now in Manitoba, 33:25 and all he grows is, uh, barley and wheat is saying, what are they talking about? Lodging? What, what, what are we talking about? We're talking about when the bean plant, um, 33:35 matures and then when it lodges it'll actually lay down and lay on the ground and we can't get that cutter bar to get underneath of it to 33:44 pull it back up. So why do you call it lodging rather than laying down? We, I don't know. It's just a term. It's a term. I didn't make the term up. 33:51 They just, they always call it lodging. Okay. Variety varieties. He said one thing, we haven't gotten to you as varieties. I thought that we were all done with our stuff, but Matt, you know, I've 33:59 Got one more. Bring me more stuff. What's the stuff on varieties that I need to know? Because you know what, soybeans or soybeans, right? What, 34:06 what difference does variety make? Some varieties are bred to, to have tighter nodes. Is that the thing? 34:13 Well, some varieties are just bridge some of 'em. Um, if you're not careful, they become very vegetative by saying they're very vegetative. 34:22 They will elongate terrible. And if they get really tall and they lay a bunch of bean pods at the, at the, you know, a bunch of fruits at the top of the plant. Yeah. And it can lay over. 34:33 Now there's something that we haven't talked about here. We talked about early planning, you know, environmental changes, 34:40 stack nodes. We've talked about how we can artificially stack nodes, you know, in the vegetative stages. 34:47 And what we really need to talk about is during the reproductive stages, how we stack nodes or we edge a few things that we can 34:57 add clusters, more clusters to the top of the plant. Matt? Um, can you talk about that for a minute? 35:04 Yeah. So, you know, when we get to R three in that area, we start putting out products that we think can make more clusters that 35:12 increase bean size, seed size, which will increase yield. I've watched Temple do some stuff in the last couple years. 35:19 Him and Kevin Matthews were, I quit, I quit at R three. Mm-hmm. So I'm doing R three. I've quit. I haven't rounded all the bases. 35:28 I'm probably on third. But I've watched some of the stuff that temple and some other guys have done where they're going to the R five stage, which is almost, 35:37 you're looking at your means at R five saying, there's no way I'm almost spending more money. They're still spending money that's bringing in a positive ROI at that point. 35:48 I got it. So what are we talking about, uh, at R three that you're putting out there? Temple? So a lot of times what'll happen is, 35:56 is like I go out there and of course I overdo everything, you know? Um, and Matt makes fun of me every time I do it. Um, 36:04 but when we go out there with a P G R, um, with a micro pack, um, and a fungicide and an insecticide, Matt, when we go out there with that, with that, with that cluster of products, 36:18 you know, when we, we create a reaction in that plant, it gives the plant energy. You've put sugars out there, you put PGS out there, you got these micros, and then all of a sudden, boom, 36:32 a whole new blossom set comes with a whole nother cluster that's still adding and stacking nodes into the reproductive. 36:42 Um, se in the reproductive period. So like Matt has a huge r ROI by doing it at R three, isn't it R three? Matt? Yeah. 36:53 R three. Yep. Um, I'll do it at R one, R three, R four-ish, five-ish. I might do it three times, like my high yield plots. I might put that thing on three, maybe four times. And every time I do it, 37:10 boom, we stimulate a response. Boom. You stimulate another response. You're putting the same product on four times and it's all the reproductive 37:17 phase We can, I have, And this is a, I've done it more than that. And this is a plant growth regulator we're talking about. 37:23 It's a, again, you know, I'm, I'm gonna go back to what you know these guys talk about all the time. It's a systematic approach. You know, it's not just a pgr, 37:32 it's not just a fungicide. Cause I'm protecting the plant. It's not just an insecticide, it's a micro insecticide fungicide, 37:40 pgr okay. Sugars to drive more energy and it's a certain type of, you know, 37:46 it's just not any one type of micro pack either. It's micros that I know that that plant needs at that period. And it's all drived upon on prior years 38:01 of history of tissue samples where I know it's getting ready to make this curve. And when it gets ready to make that curve, 38:08 I'm gonna stimulate it before it ever makes that curve. I'm gonna say that name. And if we're, if you're talking about a regular guy that's just on this podcast listing that 38:18 wants to try something, I'm thinking around the R one. I, I really think R three, you know, timbo start R one. Do R three R five. 38:28 You know, I was the R three guy today. I've sprayed my beans at R one with some of the same products he's using. I'm definitely gonna try the R five because if you ever decide, 38:39 you know everything mm-hmm. You're really screwed up, you know, so, but a guy that's just starting out, I would say R 2.5 to three, 38:48 that's where he needs to spend a little bit of money on a field and see if there's any difference. 38:54 Got it. Yeah. Now that's the other question. We just talk about the money, you know, where it is neat to have big yields, but if you spend, 39:00 you're going over your fields a lot, there's gonna be somebody that says, you know what, I'll just stick with county average. 39:06 I'm gonna plant them and I'm gonna spray 'em and I might spray 'em again. And that's it. You know? Uh, 39:13 are you spending a lot of money on all these uh, treatments that you're doing? Temple? 39:18 Can I answer that for me? Yes. A hundred dollars an acre at $13 beans is 7.69 bushels. 39:27 Yep. You know how easy it is to pick up 10 bushels. Okay. Sea crop. Yeah. 39:32 So you're talking about county average at 50 and temple and I are making 80 plus beans. So you take 30 bushels Yeah. 39:40 At $13 and if you use a hundred dollars an acre Yeah. Only at, you're only at eight bushel. Yeah. You 39:47 Still, you still, you you made 400 and it costs you a hundred and some time and, and some time cuz you had to go out, 39:52 you had to go across that field a couple more times. But There's a couple things that don't cost any money. You know, take, 39:58 take for instance what Matt's got us all talked in a doing, you know what I mean? Like he's one of the pioneers of planting super early. 40:05 You know, that doesn't cost us a nick. No. You were gonna go and plant anyhow unless somehow you plant and then it and they frost off. I mean that's a reality where, where I live. 40:17 Yeah. But thank, I mean It Go to your frost date. So when we're talking about early, go to your last frost date and you and a Bena take a couple of mile frost. 40:26 It won't take what I had this year, but go to your frost date and then back up from there when you plant the beans. So if your frost date take 15 days before your last frost date average two 40:38 weeks. And it's not always gonna, I mean you you'll get anomaly weather Yeah. Where it might screw you up every now and then. So don't do your whole farm. 40:45 But I mean you think about this, the ROI and a be at $13. Yeah. It's a lot easier to use these products than if you're talking about $6 corn. 40:55 Yeah. Are you talking about 70 cent cotton? Yeah. Are you talking about $7 wheat? You know, the, the bean is the best place to spend those, those dollars. 41:05 Cause you can get 'em back so easy. I got it. All right. Now we've covered it all. Temple, is there anything else we gotta get out here? Uh, 41:15 Matt did a great summary right there. I got, I got plant them early. I got put this as a part of every one of your treatments as a systematic 41:25 approach, which I like that as a, as a grower standard practice, you're talking about doing things to stack nodes with plant growth, 41:31 regulars with sugars, with uh, a little bit of something that knocks 'em back and you know, abuses 'em just a little bit. You're talking about making sure in fertility, 41:38 but also fertility stings 'em just a little bit. You're talking about make sure you got the variety. You do not want a variety that is bred to grow tall. Um, 41:49 did I miss anything? Uh, I think another really good key point would be this. Um, there's tons and tons of university trials out there that show that 42:03 there's zero results in a lot of micronutrients. And that is the furthest thing from the truth than I can tell you. Um, 42:13 the secret to using micronutrients is knowing what your soil at any given time and your plant needs in your program. 42:25 And you do that by your data collection of your tissue samples from your years prior. Because our systems or our programs don't necessarily change our fertility 42:37 programs, I should say. You have to learn them first and when you can find out what our key problems are, you can promote a lot of yield in between. 42:51 And those things give huge ROI done. Right. Got it. Is that it? Because last time I was ready last time I was ready to wrap up. 43:01 Matt Miles said No, there's one more thing. Go ahead Matt. One more thing. 43:04 The most important thing I've heard here and I've learned from Temple, the tissue sample is not about what you're doing right now. Yeah. 43:13 You need to take the tissue samples you used last year. He's figured out at what growth stage his soybean plants need. What? So he don't have to, 43:22 he's he's taking tissue samples this year just to verify what he done last year. But he's, he, 43:28 and he and I had this conversation on manganese and magnesium this year on corn. He said, well you knew that from last year's tissue samples. I'm like, 43:37 yeah, I guess I did. So that's the most important takeaway. If you take tissue samples, and 43:43 We talked about this at Chad Henderson's, you and me and him just a couple weeks ago because when I was down there, Chad's point is he's pro chan tissue sampling. He's anti tissue sampling. 43:53 He says the worst thing is when you think you're gonna make big, huge swings and adjustments right now on a tissue sample. So first off, 43:59 it's pulled two weeks ago. The plant's at a different point by the time you get the results. His, his thing is, as you just said, it's really more of a long-term tool. Yeah. 44:07 It's more of looking at what we've, and Temple will address that he said, we know that we've always lacked this. So because of tissue sampling, 44:14 we do this. His name's Temple Rhodes. He's shore Maryland. I'm gonna be at his place August 22nd for the field day that we're doing there. 44:23 Very excited to be in Arc and in Maryland at his place for the first time. Uh, Matt Miles, who it bugs the hell outta Temple is my favorite. 44:32 And man fact told man Fact told me, uh, in Alabama, even though that I'm his favorite and he's my favorite, he said, if I keep misbehaving, he can't keep taking up for me. 44:42 So I gotta tell you what I out right there. I mean I, I just kinda like when I used to get in trouble on the school bus and then like mom would threaten to send me to Catholic school, 44:50 I would straighten out for at least four or five days and then start getting in trouble again. Anyway, uh, 44:55 I would like to apologize to anybody that's Vietnamese because uh, you did notice that Matt called the Delta part of Arkansas where it's ex like 45:03 it's Punishingly hot, humid and he compared that to your country. And I gotta tell you, 45:07 I think that the Delta part of Arkansas is worse than Vietnam. But that's just my thought. I haven't actually been to Vietnam, 45:12 just been to McGee, Arkansas. Anyway, till next time. That's Temple Rhode, that's Matt Miles. My name is Damien Mason. 45:17 Thanks for being here at Cutting the Curve. You know what, we've got awesome field days coming up. We've got great webinars. 45:23 If you are not a paying member, become a paying member for 750 bucks. You'll get great access to private information and the webinars and also 45:31 share this with somebody who can benefit from it. We've got 200 and some of these things on the Cutting the Curve, uh, episodes on, uh, extreme Ag dot farmtill next time. 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