Re-Thinking Soil Fertility, Biology & Balance
13 Apr 2333 min 0 sec

Kelly Garrett says, “I think we’re learning that soil depletion is less of an issue and it’s really more about soil imbalance.” Given that, we brought on SoundAg’s Director of Agronomy Jeff Divan to discus soil balance, and the often overlooked component of soil biology. Face it, we’ve been sold on the idea for decades that N,P, & K are the mother’s milk of crop production. While the macros certainly matter, we’ve focused on them so much, we’ve overlooked other critical elements of soil health. Kelly discusses his soil and sustainability epiphanies while making the case for biologicals that make existing nutrients more crop-available.

Presented by Advanced Drainage Systems

00:01 Welcome to extreme AGS cutting the curved podcast where you get a guaranteed return on investment of your time as we cut your learning curve with 00:11 the information. You can apply to your farming operation immediately extreme AG, we've already 00:17 made the mistakes so you don't have to managing. Your Farm's Water Resources is a critical component to a successful and sustainable farming 00:26 operation Advanced Drainage Systems helps Farmers, just like you increase their yields up to 30% with their technologically advanced 00:35 Water Management products visit ads to see how they can keep your business flowing. 00:43 Now, here's your host Damien Mason. Hey there thanks for joining us for another fantastic episode of extreme acts cutting the curb. We're talking about reduction of 00:52 inputs, you know, this has been a common theme we've hit on it a number of times if you're keeping up with the content. We're 00:58 putting out there. It's not because we have nothing else to talk about it's because it's the thing we should be talking about. There's gonna 01:04 be environmental reasons for this. There's gonna possibly be regulatory issues that we have to face. There's also going 01:10 to be a big push for this from the farm bill to the companies we deal with and so if we're ahead of 01:16 the curve and that's what we're talking about here with cutting the curve all the better. Also, let's talk about money reduction of 01:23 inputs and not sacrificing yield or even better yet. Boosting yield it's a good thing for your bottom line. Kelly. Garrett is all about reducing inputs on his farming operation 01:33 and he's got in fact, he was a guest in the booth of the company and we got here today sound AG at commodity classic they 01:42 call the fireside chat. It was all about reduction of input. So I guess let's just toss it to you Mr. Garrett. 01:49 Reduction thank you, but reduction of inputs. It's it's been a thing and it was the environmental 01:55 part of it. But there's also the bottom line. Money, yes, and that's why I I really feel that this sustainability story 02:04 needs to be told from a farmer angle. Increasing my Roi and being being more sustainable really goes hand in hand. I 02:14 want to find the best ways. I can to get more efficient to raise more with less and source is 02:20 a big part of that for me where I can reduce my synthetic nitrogen potentially reduce my synthetic phosphorus and 02:26 increase the ROI by doing that by using the source by, you know, using Mother Nature the soil we have 02:35 in Iowa is pretty special and there's a lot of fertility in there. We just have to figure out how to balance it get out of the way. 02:41 By the way, you said something really interesting in the previous recording we did I talked about depleted soils. And you said I'm not sure there's a depleted soils 02:50 or as much of an issue as out of balance soils and this is going a different direction than just sustainability. But maybe it's not the point is sustainability in 02:59 our vernacular. We think sustainability means more and more production of output with less and less input of Natural Resources, right? 03:08 And if you're always thinking I've got to fertilize the hell out of this field because the last guy mined it. 03:16 And you're saying maybe it's not always find maybe it's not really depleted. Maybe it's just out of balance. So I want you to give me your take then we're gonna go to Jeff diving because after all he's the agronomic guy 03:25 here. So I believe years of tillage and erosion and synthetic fertility and things like that or the wrong kind of fertility. 03:36 We we have Farmers have always been taught that we need to build the soils will that building of the soil has thrown it 03:42 out of balance? and the ratios that It's all about balance in the ratios important. I'm trying to think of a simple way to explain it carbon to nitrogen. I need seven Parts 03:53 carbon for one part nitrogen my soils releasing so much nitrogen. I'm way short of carbon that's out of balance phosphorus to zinc. I need 10 parts 04:02 phosphorus for every one part zinc and I don't have enough zinc. Those things farmers are always worried 04:08 about NP and K. We need to worry about calcium. We need to worry about zinc and we need to worry about copper. We need to worry about cot carbon. 04:14 We need to worry about hydrogen. Nobody ever talks about those things. We need to worry. They always talk about 04:20 NP and K. What about all the other things we're forgiving and if we put those in there and we balance the soil. The 04:26 soil is not depleted the soils out of balance. It's a deep it but when a farmer talks about depletion or like you talk about a large farmer raping the soil everybody's always 04:35 talking about and pnk right they got to remember the other nutrients that I just named. That's what we're depleted on. 04:42 That's what's out of balance. So I guess you could say Damien that it is out of it. It is depleted but it's not from the perspective. Those people are talking about. It's the 04:51 hydrogen the carbon the calcium. It's all those other things that have to be understood. It's a complete program. It's not 04:57 just NP and K. We should finally let our special guest talk. He's the director of ground to me for sound agby's also 05:05 a Northern Iowa farmer, so Let's face it. We just heard it from Kelly Garrett, Iowa soils quite special. Do you really even need to be in agronomist to 05:15 to grow stuff in Iowa? Come on Jeff. His name is Jeff Ivan, and I want to go ahead and toss it to him. 05:22 Yeah, despite the myth that you can ask a bag of seed corn and grow tuner bushel corn here. It's it's not quite that easy. I think 05:29 there's a lot of good comments to build on so far here from both of you. And and that is that no matter, you know how sufficient or deficient to 05:39 soil is. We have to think about the mechanism the matters which is getting those nutrients into a plant right? So 05:45 solving for some of the chemistry and and what nutrients exist is only part of the equation and we have to really rely on the relationship between the 05:54 plant and the soil which a lot of that gravitates around microbes and their azus fear of getting those nutrients into 06:00 a plant. So sometimes it's interesting a sustainability story. It could be not spending a dime on fertilizer but spending some money online right to get that balance 06:09 in the soil actually get those nutrients into the plant. So if we focus on just that and eating the 06:15 most mileage out of what's there we have to think about really firing up that system and and creating a soil that's 06:21 delivering. To the plant and and through points made here a lot of the farming methods over the last hundred years in this area have kind of created a soil 06:31 that responds to the addition of a synthetics and then we find a way to get just enough of them out to produce a decent crop but instead we can leverage that soil or 06:40 whether it be through some some healthy practices on on the farm of reducing tillage or even just placing nutrients in an area where they're going to 06:49 be extracted by that plant growing and then fire up the soil biology of the product like source. So the more that we get that plant feeding microbes with sugar 40% 06:58 of the sugar created by photosynthesis ends up below ground. We feed that I like it when they toss out by the way, I'm jotting 07:07 down nodes. I really am. I like Kevin Kelly's seven Parts carbon to one part nitrogen because he's the carbon dude. I like that a lot 07:16 what you just say 40% of nitrogen formed by photosynthesis does what? The the sugar producing photosynthesis. So that's 07:25 that's the output of of taking it in that carbon sunlight. So it ends up below ground and some of that is to develop new Roots 07:31 obviously roots are accessing nutrition, but it's also released with root Exodus to feed microbes. So the economy that kind of 07:40 starts to develop in that root system is plants will will excrete sugar and an energy source and then microbes in that vicinity take that 07:49 on as energy and they'll do you really need practices and processes like fake atmosphere nitrogen into 07:55 a plant available form nitrate form. They will soluble eyes insoluble forms of phosphorus, which we always want more of in our plants. 08:04 So in a high pH environment phosphorus can actually form a bond with calcium. So calcium phosphate is essentially bone, right? We're not 08:13 going to get bone into our plant and let's it's acted upon and create a decidable version and that all takes microbes that 08:19 are fed by carbon in the soil and a lot of that comes plants through a lot of stuff at us right there Kelly and and 08:27 he said he was all springing that off of what we just talked about. Go back to the sustainability thing. You're using less stuff this year. We're heading into crop season 2023 you're 08:39 going to use less stuff per acre than you ever have and you're not gonna sacrifice any yield or not not per acre. You're used less 08:48 stuff per bushel than you've ever done and it's not because you're losing them. Am I right? Well, I would say we're losing less. 08:57 Stuff or nitrogen per acre and per bushel, then we've ever done. We turned our anhydrous direct down probably 15% across the 09:06 whole Farm. It's a variable rate variable rate prescription. So it's a little bit of an estimation but we've turned it down approximately 15% across the whole farm. And 09:15 so yes, we're going to be more efficient with nitrogen. But also I expect to have a yield bump because of it because I'm bringing that carbon and nitrogen 09:24 ratio into law. So by the way, dear listener or viewer we recorded about this very subject with my heavens and Kelly Garrett and 09:34 we talked about variable rate and nitrogen which is something that almost nobody's I've never heard anybody doing it and they talked about 09:40 is absolutely where we need to be going with this because nitrogen's got a bull's eye on it right now, right? It's it's 09:47 the thing now nitrogen nitrous oxide nitrate emissions all that. And so you're using less of it through variable rate 09:56 application, but also because as you say the Holy Grail of American Air cultures grow more corn and if you gonna do that, you've got to throw the Nitro to 10:05 it and you're saying no that's old fashioned thinking. It is you know, now that I've learned more about balancing the soil learn more about you know, trying to get these ratios to 10:15 come into line at the levels of fertility that we're at in our no-till system at the yield levels. We're at more nitrogen isn't going to make more yield now 10:25 we can put more nitrogen out there. If we add more carbon and Admiral Marco nutrients, but it would be much more 10:31 much more financially prudent to turn down the nitrogen a little bit and add some carbon add more micros and and try to achieve 10:40 that balance and it you know, it's infinitely variable. There isn't like there's one black and white answer to this every square 10:46 foot of soil is potentially different. We're always looking for the Improvement. This is a journey not a destination and 10:52 there is not one answer per acre there. There's one answer for every square foot maybe and obviously we can't manage that tightly yet, but we're just looking for 11:01 improvements and we're we're making we made them last year with Source. I believe we'll make them again this year source and an even bigger way. Yeah. 11:09 It keeps talking about Source. That's a product you're wearing the hand. So a person listening this right now Jeff Diamond sitting in 11:15 his office. Just give you a background. If you're listening to the audio not watching the video Kelly very well put 11:21 together today, you know pressed shirt. I'm wearing a plaid shirt because I want to look like a farmer miss the Pearl snap kind of a it's almost a cowboy farmer shirt, 11:30 and I should point out if I wanted to emulate my boss. The sleeves would be cut off because I would look like Kelly I would be going around sporting my guns. 11:39 There's an old thing in corporate that if you want to get promoted, you should dress like your boss and subliminally you're just sucking up to the boss and all 11:48 the sudden he or she thinks I really like that. I really like that Jeff guy. He dresses just like me anyway. 11:56 Then there's Jeff. And he's probably he's got like a sweatshirt on unshaven. I'm just gonna 12:06 guess probably under the he's probably wearing Crocs I could see right now these probably wearing pajama pants and Crocs right now. So clearly he didn't dress for the occasion, but 12:15 he does have some pretty farm machinery Prince behind him on his left shoulder. Yes sitting there in his Farm office. 12:23 I don't even know what questions are gonna ask you. I just got carried away about what we all look like right now Jeff, but I thought that was important 12:29 for the person driving right now to hear that. Yes. Yes. I will. I'll take us back on track here and talk about what source is as now one thing 12:39 one person one person here actually needs to actually stick with the subject at hand, right? Yeah for 12:45 the people that watch you know, if I can interrupt would you agree for the people listening that Damian looks like 12:51 when he gets off this podcast, he's gonna go to a costume party dresses Roy Rogers. Yes. I think that is 12:57 very accurate and he was adamant that you and I couldn't leave to to dress anything different. So he wanted to capture that we have this actually I think 13:06 this is actually bull riding shirt. And I think we should all do a thing raise your hand if you were ever on a Collegiate Rodeo team. Oh wait 13:15 only me. only me and by the way, dear listener if you're saying oh man that Damian guy, he's pretty rugged. I thought he's a comedy background. That's true. And 13:26 I probably should have been a rodeo clown versus actually Rodeo writer. I wrote four Bulls in my 13:32 entire career and then and I decided this is a really good way for some dairy farm kid to like 13:39 get hurt and I'm talking about hurt down there working really hurt you bad and like mess it up to we're all sudden you're singing soprano and I didn't want that to happen. So anyway, let's go 13:48 to Jeff Diamond. What is this product source? Yeah, absolutely. So sources is a fully applied chemistry of a product 13:57 that we make is very easy to use goes on about an ounce per acre and what it's doing is it is activating that really important soil biology below ground and 14:06 signaling it to become active and increase its metabolism and deliver all those very important soluble nutrients. We need in our plants that 14:15 that come from the soil and either an organic form or mineral form. So firing up that engine acting as a caffeine source with a really 14:24 unique a product that we created to stimulate that biology. by the way 14:31 That's a cool thing and we used to always talk about these kinds of products were, you know, not proven their snake oil and all 14:40 that. We're in a new era. We're in a completely new Arena of this. There's a 14:46 bazillion different companies out here that are doing this but it seems like we really got past 14:52 the threshold of acceptability now, it's just a matter of let's really put these things out here and look at what they're doing. 15:01 It soil Health gets a lot of attention but soil biology is a critical component of that that we're still I think at 15:10 the very precipice of understanding like we're just like we're just really we're like this far in we're like an 15:16 inch into this. Am I right? Yeah, kind of reminds me of our our understanding of the ocean. Right? We we don't know nearly as much about the 15:24 depths of the ocean as we do about things like our atmosphere and outer space. So you might know more 15:30 about Mars than we know about our soils in Iowa to be honest eventually. Yeah, because what we sometimes think about is 15:36 biology, right is this may be biological Market that exists where we culture a single strain or maybe a few strains of bacteria or 15:45 some type of a microbe that is beneficial. We culture a couple of those strains in the way. We apply them to the field. But what really going on is everyone's field 15:54 and like Kelly and I sitting here in Iowa, we have hundreds and thousands of species of those bacteria and 16:00 those microbes seeing in our soil ready to work. We've just kind of created this system with modern-day farming practices where the abundance of 16:09 nutrition and fertility is kind of rendered a lot of those microbes dormant. So if a plant is not stressed it is 16:18 Not in a natural setting releasing any of these specialized compounds to attract soil biology and get 16:24 nutrition from that soil. So we've kind of just been self-selecting for lazy microbes as a way. I like to put it instead of actually leveraging their 16:33 power and getting the important and the beneficial ones and higher populations. 16:39 Tell your how many different biology Biologicals if you did you trial last year? It's safe to say it doesn't. 16:48 Oh, yes, you know I I have said now lately or a developed the opinion that Agronomy is chemistry plus biology and it's a huge 16:57 hot button word or buzzword term in our industry now to talk about biology and that's what we're almost here talking about today Source isn't biology but it stimulates the 17:06 biology but this is a perfect example what I mean by chemistry plus biology and the biology is not 17:12 going to work unless you have the chemistry, correct and I like chemistry because it's math. It's black and white. So when 17:18 I talk about the balance of the soil when I talk about the ratios when I talk about seven Parts carbon to one part nitrogen that's chemistry and Source isn't 17:27 going to work unless you get your Chemistry, right and when you get your Chemistry, right and you apply a product like Source, the 17:33 ROI is big and that's perfect. You have Jeff I didn't even think about from that perspective until Jeff said that that's exactly what I mean. It's a 17:42 great example. Jeff I I was an intern I was an intern for a chemical company way back when we've been using chemistry for a long long time. I 17:53 was raised on a farm where I went out there and you know filled the sprayer. 17:57 But I and I'm not wacky organic treehugger, but I'm gonna tell you I think we've absolutely overused chemistry for everyone's lifetime. It's on 18:06 this call right now. We've overused chemistry because it was a fairly sold to us. Um, and it was a fairly affordable you 18:15 could usually justify the return. Are we finally to the point where it's like? This is like where we hit that Peak. It's like yep way 18:23 less way less. We're gonna just keep decreasing our amount of chemistry. 18:29 Essentially, I mean, I think there's there's power right in or at least in the types of chemistry used to try to get 18:35 multiple benefits from them. So I think of you know even just to take it back to source for a second while it is 18:41 still a chemistry instead of adding, you know cultured microbes where you have a single strain doing a single purpose we've 18:47 seen in our research from source that we're actually activating several hundred different species of microbes with one chemistry. So I 18:56 think it's maybe just getting more utility and more mileage out of what you are applying. So things like, you know, even on the 19:02 source side, we just did some neat work around my garage will fungi. So they are really beneficial organism 19:08 that can actually colonize them on the root. And when they do that they almost act as a new root here and an extension of the root they can pull in nutrition from a bigger area. So what 19:17 you don't get from adding, you know, a single strain of biological is influence into the broader spectrum of soil biology 19:26 and just creating that healthy ecosystem. round the door to health and healthy a bunch and soil health is a huge buzz word. It has 19:37 been for the last couple years. I think it's bastardized. I've logged on I've seen stuff on social media where somebody is out there with a 19:45 You know a seventh pass of tillage talking about the importance of soil health and I'm like is anybody told you what excess tillage does to 19:54 soil structure? Anyway soil Health as I think this new thing where it's kind of like sustainability became a buzzword for 10 years soil health for the last two years has become 20:03 so health so Health, we extreme AG very soon early rolling out of soil health initiative and Kelly's got a lot a lot to share with that. 20:13 someday, we'll be sharing a lot about this but when you think about soil health What what's your first thing Jeff Diamond director of 20:22 agronomy? What's the first thing you think of soil health? Yeah, when I think of soil health, I think 20:28 it's a system that delivers back to me more than I put in right it is an organism. It's alive it should be something that contributes to the system. So when I 20:37 think of soil health, I think of you know, this very high value land that we have out here between Kelly and I from you know, 12 to 25 thousand dollars an acre. 20:46 It is more than a you know, are you ragging? Wait? Wait, was that what they call like a subtle brag, but you know, I mean gosh like when 20:55 you're as good as me you I mean was that a celebration not not a celebrate actually the opposite the opposite if anything the unfortunate 21:04 situation we're in of having that that environment but but I mean in all seriousness, it's it's an asset. That's underutilized right? 21:13 It's not just a place to go plant a corn crop. It actually delivers back and should give you more than you put into it. And 21:19 if it's not it's it's unhealthy, right? I think that's something it's the rubber band or whatever it might be. 21:25 Doesn't bounce or snap as far back as is where you can throw it and if it's not doing that and everything is is out of whack then I think that's where 21:34 to me. I I kind of assign and apply the word healthy versus unhealthy. Really? 21:41 Yeah soil Health means a lot of things to a lot of different people. What's it mean to you? It means the balance again the chemistry plus 21:49 the biology when we bring the chemistry and the balance the biology comes around and the biology acts appropriate and that's when special things happen from a yield 21:58 perspective, you know, and like earlier you're talking about. You know, the Iowa soil is special things like that it is you know, and I believe you know 22:07 the ability to make a living in Iowa and things like that relative to say what Matt has to go through and Arkansas are Chad and Alabama, you know, like Jeff 22:16 said we can throw the seat on the ground and plant backwards and race 200 bushel corn. So relative to 22:22 what those guys have to do. Yeah, it's it can be a bit easier here. But in my opinion what we're learning about the soil and how special it is. 22:31 We're a long way from reaching the potential because we just don't know and we just don't understand the soil. And my number one priority now is to to again 22:40 achieve that balance from a chemistry perspective than the biology comes into the biology then comes into focus and acts appropriate 22:49 if you will and and that's when the that's when a special thing will happen from a yield perspective. That's what soil Health needs to me. I think that the products 22:59 like you're talking about have a real. You know application moving forward and we might not even be with this might be first gen kind of 23:09 stuff. Am I right Jeff that this is like first gen and we're going to even look back like we might look back and say we over chemistry. We actually worked against our soil for a long time. 23:18 We went out there and kept thinking we had a kill stuff versus less stuff live and then now we're on the era of biology and we're gonna say Okay chemistry 23:27 biology, you know, that's what Agronomy is according to Kelly. Then we're gonna say man that first gin biology that second gen biology now. Look where we 23:36 are. Am I right Yeah, I definitely think so. I mean it's always easier to solve problems you can see right and we've focused a 23:43 lot on problems that are above ground because as we can see them and we can react to them. So I think where this really heads is 23:49 starting to solve some of those problems that we can't see and whether that be through, you know different modes of action different technology. There's a lot of neat stuff from the 23:58 pipeline. I really think it goes back to live Big's law the minimum which we've all seen the Barrel staves in the very dramatic short Stave where the water is pouring out, right? Typically that's 24:07 not something that has been easy to solve because the easy things that we can you know, we can turn the dial whenever put on nitrogen we can turn the dial on P and 24:16 K pretty easy because everybody's retailer and Co-op spreads the products but the micronutrients or even some 24:22 of just the plants resilience type mechanisms. Those are the truly the short staves on the barrel and if we can start to solve for them, we level up the whole system. So 24:31 yeah, I'm excited to start to solve some of those problems that are not easily seen and kind 24:37 of around or whether they're just within the plants and we can't solve them because we don't know what the problem is. 24:42 We're talking about stuff. That's next level. In an interesting to everybody is called that and then the people that listening are obviously forward-thinking. They 24:51 want to further their operation. They love what we do at extreme AG then you drive by a field because Mike Evans took a picture of it where somebody went out 25:00 and fall till the 40 degrees slope field and it's all down in the ditch right now. You're like we're talking about like biology under the ground and things we 25:09 could do like this. This guy is still doing stuff like it's Dust Bowl era stuff like they're 25:15 not even anywhere close to us, isn't it? Almost Disgusting that you're out here on it. We're talking about soil Health initiatives and these people down the road 25:25 are still fall plowing like it's 1930 in Washington field wash away. Yeah, it's painful. I call it a snort when 25:34 we get these snow dirt filling in the ditch and everything up here when the wind blows in the winter. And yeah, I mean I so I've done a vast majority of my Acres 25:43 have been stripped till for about the last 10 years. I incorporate cover crop here and there I can I'm pretty for North so I don't get the opportunity but just keeping 25:52 that soil intact the healthier plants your A's on it the more root mass. That's there can hold it intact hold it there. We can see I think you 26:01 know, it's gonna be hard to reverse it very quickly everybody debates on how quickly you can start to add organic matter and kind 26:07 of flip the switch, but I think there's a lot of potential to sometimes we solve for some of 26:13 these big problems with technology. That's not profitable right? So there might be a big initiative that comes out whether it be some kind of a farming 26:22 practice or even an approach and it might be beneficial long-term to the environment, but it's not profitable. So I I 26:28 see kind of an interesting overlap coming here with Technologies like like Source or even just other related opportunities where the farmer 26:37 can be profitable and then the end user and the environment also benefits. I think that's different than where we've come 26:43 from in the past where kind of like one party wins and the other one is is just kind of stuck dealing with implementing the 26:49 practice. Kelly that he just threw out there a win-win did he just say it's a win-win. What's he what's he by the way, 26:56 he almost hit a hosted this because he's got he is his he's almost rapping it up here. Go ahead and tell me about the win-win Kelly from your 27:05 standpoint. By the way. How do I use this product called Source or how are you using it? I mean my spraying this on I put in 27:11 my Furrow, what am I doing? There's two different application times for Source V5 to V7 or VT, 27:17 you know, obviously when tassel time comes out I choose to use it at VT because that's when the the biggest that's when the plan 27:26 is the most hungry, you know, the ears failing the kernels are feeling things like that and again for me me and the hills or 27:32 us in the Hills here. It's a it's a de facto side dress for us from a nitrogen and phosphorus standpoint. So you putting on this is just getting sprayed. This 27:41 is dropped next to the store. We're applying it with the Fungicide and the plant growth regulators and the other fertility that we do when 27:50 the tassel comes out. It's a foliar. Yep. Yes, it's being applied with the airplane or the helicopter and you're using this. Yeah, because you said at certain 28:00 point if you go out there with equipment on your heels and your curves, you're going to just knock down half your stand so you're going out there Ariel. 28:07 Yes, we call it iron blight because you'd run it all over I like. Yes, by the way plants you a 28:13 little bit of a drone you're using the only corn. Oh, we we will use it on every acre of corn and we will continue testing on beads. Our soybean testing last 28:22 year was inconclusive. My understanding is they've changed the product a little bit. And so we're gonna be testing on beans again. 28:28 Kevin had a big result in beans in North Carolina, and I I believe that we need to figure something out on beans beans are 28:37 a tremendous removal on nitrogen and I I think Source, you know, this is all in theory. I think Source could have a big part in our being yields going up because of what 28:46 it does with the soil biology. So you think on the soybean trial that you're going to be doing you'll be putting it on foliar, but it 28:54 won't be obvious flown on you're talking about putting it on at what stage? With the soybeans probably are one or 29:01 R3 but that yes, that'll be with the ground rig. We we very much want to be out there with the ground because of the the water, you know, the rate of the rate of the water 29:10 is so much higher that we feel that's important. So in soybeans it'll get a low apply at our cells. Okay, so on 29:16 corn you're going to be putting it on you think the the you'll use it once or twice on corn. 29:21 Once once every and you think of VT and it'll be flowing on and that'll go on with a fungicide treatment. So the window air when the arrow applicator goes 29:30 over it's gonna have a fungicide it's going to have source. Gonna have the fungicidal have source that I have a stress mitigation product 29:37 and probably some Boron and potassium. Okay, and on the soybeans you'll be putting it on with a ground rig a spray rig and you're gonna be 29:46 doing that at R1 R3 and that's gonna be with what's gonna be in that mix the same as the corn. Basically, it'll all be the same a stress 29:55 mitigation product a boron potassium products a plant growth regulator. All of those things will be in that in that recipe got it and you're 30:05 not in your head Jeff and you approve. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. You want to slip in one more little subtle brag about how much your ground is worth? 30:14 I do not know. I love us. It's not a brag when you're trying to buy a Damian if I know the problem is he's a young guy. He should be out here. He's back here sort of 30:23 subtly doing the other thing saying I heard there's only gonna it's gonna keep going down in value. You know, what if you if someone offers you 20% less than 30:32 it's worth right now you better take it because it's gonna crash. That's what you should probably be doing right now Jeff. 30:36 Yeah, I think so. I felt that way until the markets popped a little bit today, but we'll see where it ends up. Got it. Get me out of here Jeff. What do you got for me without sound 30:45 like a commercial Source I think is gonna be something we're gonna keep an eye on we're gonna listen to it from we're gonna see what's happening. I want to see what's 30:51 happening on those soybean Acres how many you're gonna use it on a couple hundred five hundred three hundred Army Acres kill. 30:57 We'll use it on quite a few we'll have a few different trials. Yeah, four 500 Acres, I would say. All right, I think that's 31:03 something we should stay tuned for. What else do I need stay tuned for from your in Jeff? 31:07 Yeah, I think if anybody wants to learn more or we have a ton of information or website, it's so they can find information about the product, you know 31:16 where to potentially buy it and just and learn a lot more about what we're up to. So I point them to that resource going forward. Yeah, 31:22 and some of the biological stuff we've talked about has to be put in the soil and this is something you're putting on over the top. That's this 31:28 is one of the few that we're doing that way right Kelly. Right. Yes. This is a very unique product. Yeah, interesting. 31:33 His name is Jeff Diamond if you want to learn more go to. Where do I go down today? Yeah, Kelly Garrett. 31:42 Is there a special guest here looking looking like he does and my name is Damian Mason by the way little trivia question for you on the way out the door. Jeff talked about 31:51 snort which means when snow and dirt combine isn't really not dirt soil with snow and dirt combined and blow around the winter time. There's a 32:00 famous. comic strip and the lead character in the comic strip had a dog named snort name the comic strip. This is 32:11 going back in time a little bit right here. Do you know? I don't Hagar the Horrible who was a 32:18 comic strip of about a viking had a dog named snort. So there you go little trivia for he always learned something here Extreme Ice kind of curve. So next time I'm Damian Mason 32:27 with Jeff diamond and Kelly gear that's a wrap for this episode of cutting the curve, but there's plenty more check out extremead dot Farm 32:36 where you can find past episodes instructional videos and articles to help you squeeze more profit out 32:42 of your farm cutting. The curve is brought to you by Advanced Drainage Systems the leader in agriculture Water Management Solutions.

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