Member Spotlight: Russ Uselton — A First Gen Farmer Carving Out A Business On Rough Ground
5 Oct 2329 min 22 sec

Russ Uselton’s farm ground is so rough and rocky, he jokes that he looks south from his Tennessee perch and yearns for Chad Henderson’s red Alabama clay. All kidding aside, Russ — who started from scratch — is building a business on highly erodible, small patch farming, with a mixture of crops and cows. The first generation farmer bought cattle in 2005 and planted his first crop in 2018. Today he runs 200 cow-calf pairs on 1,000 acres of pasture and farms 500 acres of corn and soy. Russ talks to Damian about starting out, why he has to use cover crops, and the creativity required when you only own 40 acres!

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00:00 Talking to a first generation farmer, you probably think, oh, it's like a 19 year old kid. No, he is not. But you know what? 00:06 He's got some cool stories to tell. We're up with Russ Uston in this edition of Extreme Ag Cutting the Curve. Welcome to extreme Ag Cutting the Curve podcast, 00:19 where you get a guaranteed return on investment of your time as we cut your learning curve with the information you can apply to your farming operation 00:27 immediately. Extreme ag, we've already made the mistakes so you don't have to. Managing your farm's water resources is a critical component to a successful and 00:39 sustainable farming operation. Advanced drainage systems helps farmers just like you increase their yields up to 30% with their technologically advanced water management products. 00:51 Visit ad s to see how they can keep your business flowing. Now, here's your host, Damien Mason. Hey 01:00 There. Thanks for joining us for another fantastic episode of extreme Ag Cutting the curve. Um, if you are around extreme ag events, 01:06 it's likely you might have seen Russ. Um, I think I've bumped into him at two different extreme ag events, maybe a third one. 01:14 And then he was at a speaking engagement I delivered at Western Kentucky University for a seed company. So anyway, 01:21 after the most recent time I saw him at Temple Rhodes Field Desk, I said, you know what, Russ? 01:24 I wanna get you on and do a member spotlight 'cause you got some cool stuff to share. All right, Russ, um, you were at the, uh, 01:32 Louisville, uh, event We did. And you said, I look down south and I want to have soil as good as Chad Henderson has. I'm in South central Tennessee. We got some really rough stuff. 01:47 The extreme ag guys all pick on Chad and says his dirt sucks. So there you are, you're painting to have that good of dirt. 01:54 So tell us about your operation there in south central Tennessee. Yeah, I, I laugh a lot. We, folks where I live, look south at the, 02:02 at the good red dirt that the guys down in Alabama have. It's, uh, our soil where I am, uh, primarily silty loam, uh, 02:12 low ccc, high phosphorus, high calcium, and an unbelievable amount of limestone that just grows out of the ground. You know, people talk about picking rocks. If you wanna pick rocks here, 02:24 it requires dynamite and a track hole. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Just grow outta the ground. 02:29 So you've got a layer. Is it because like I had some ground like that, that I was raised farming where it was only a foot and a half of top soil in 02:37 some places, and then it was solid limestone. 'cause it had been a river back when the glaciers melted off, you know, 10,000, 15,000 years ago, however, years ago. 02:46 Yeah. We have an abundance of that. Okay. There's a lot of fences that get built around here. You put a post where you can, it doesn't matter where you wanna 02:53 Yeah. Right. You go, you go as deep as you can actually drive a post, and sometimes it might be a foot and you hit solid shale. Um, all right. 02:59 So your farming operation, first off, saying that you're first gen, we always think, oh, there's always this, you know, young, young couple, 03:07 they want to be in the country. I mean, that's a neat little storybook that we like to say. But you're, you're not 20 years old and you, uh, you, they didn't do a profile on you on, 03:15 uh, some TV show. You are legit first generation and you're, uh, you're, you're at it how many years now? 03:23 Uh, I've been full-time since 2008. Okay. Uh, I bought my first cattle in 2005, but before that, um, well, lemme go back a little further. When I was in, 03:36 my dad was spent 29 years in the army when I was a kid. People say, what is your, ask him what he did? His standard answer was, 03:43 I jump outta airplanes and kill people. So I went to a career day when I was a, I think a sophomore in high school, of course, at Fort Benning, 03:53 Georgia Career Day was at Auburn. And I discovered that there is such thing as an ag degree mm-hmm. Life-changing day for me. Mm-hmm. From then on, I was in, 04:05 I didn't know how I was gonna be able to participate, but sign me up. I'm in, uh, I went to Middle Tennessee State in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. Uh, 04:15 my folks originally from Tennessee in-state tuition. You know how that works. Yep. And I basically learned how to farm when I was in college. 04:23 I got a job at the M T Ss U Dairy. Um, I worked 80 hours a week while I went to school full-time. My normal schedule was three weeks on and two days off. Wow. 04:34 But I was eat up with it and, you know, couldn't get enough of it. And I always kind of thought that, yeah, maybe production, 04:42 but I'll find a spot somewhere. Yep. Um, like I said, I bought my own cattle, uh, first one's in 2005 and 2008 I was working a sales job and the economy got bad. 04:57 My wife and I sat down and had a long talk and we said, well, if there's ever a time it, I'm not making any money anyway. Let, let's, 05:05 let's try and see what happens. And like I said, that was 2008 and we're, we're still here fighting and clawing and digging and making a go of it. 05:17 So 15 years of being full-time because you quit your sales job, you know, I think it's a cool story that, you know, adversity, uh, 05:27 tosses you into a situation. Sometimes it sink or swim. Well, you had had a job and you'd made money, 05:33 but you hadn't been forced into the corner where you have to make it in ag. I mean, uh, it's a little, it's a little more, 05:42 it's a little more difficult now. So what's the operation look like today? Uh, like I said, started back then, um, 05:51 I had five cows when I started, uh, rented my first farm in addition to what we already had. We own about 40 acres right now today. Mm-hmm. Um, 06:01 today what the operation looks like. Uh, I rent, uh, right at about a thousand acres of pasture and hay ground and about 500 acres of crop ground. Uh, a hundred percent no till with cover on the crop ground. 06:16 And, uh, like I said, cattle and hay on, on the rest of it. So in your part of the world as opposed to, uh, 06:26 say, uh, where the farm progress show was held where I was last week, there's not mile section after mile section after mile section of 06:36 corn and soybean fields. I'm guessing You got some curve, you got some rock, you got some hill, you got some, yeah. You got creeks, you got, 06:43 things are caught up. It's a very different world. Yep. I've got, uh, a good example. I've got one farm that's just a little over a hundred acres. 06:53 It's got a 300 foot change in elevation. So a hundred acre property. And that's not even all tillable? No, no, no. That's pasture. 07:05 Yeah. Okay. And it's got 300 foot of elevation change. Okay. So do you, on the hay front, and this is something that's really off the, 07:13 the reservation for most extreme ag people, 'cause they generally are real crop farmers. Do you sell hay? No. 07:20 It's all, everything you make for hay stays on your property. Yes. 07:24 Got it. And are the cows making you money right now? Yes. Got it. Yes. The cow deal is pretty fun right now. That market is cooking. 07:34 Yeah. Right. And so your stuff goes traditional to sale barns or to stocker feeders. You don't, 07:40 you don't sell direct to consumer like Kelly Garrett does or anything like that? No, I, I did for a little while when I was still pretty small, 07:48 but it just got to the point. Um, it became more of a commodity. Yeah. For me. The, the numbers. Yeah. Got it. Okay. So, uh, 08:00 you rent most all of what you have. Uh, first gen guy, the tough part is it's a hugely capital intensive business. Equipment crop inputs, you know, 08:13 it takes a thousand dollars to put in an acre of corn or something like that. You're not coming in this with grandpa's farm or anybody backing you up 08:22 saying, uh, hey, you know, we'll go ahead and co-sign. Or, Hey, hey, you can farm and not even pay us for equipment for the first 10 years. 08:27 You start on your own. So talk about the unique challenges there. It's tough. It's really, really tough. And, 08:34 and I've gotta give a lot of credit to a banker that I had, um, in the beginning named Michael Uck. Unfortunately, 08:42 he passed away from cancer a few years ago, but I sat down with him in the beginning. Thankfully he's got cattle of his own. So he understood where I was coming from. 08:54 Mm-hmm. And I laid out a plan and I said, Mikey t here's what I wanna do. And he said, I got you baby, let's go. 09:02 And one of the last things he said before he died, I went to see him. He had pancreatic cancer. 09:08 Okay. That's terrible. He looked at me and he said, damn, you're gonna pull this off, aren't you? I said, yes, sir. I'm, you bet. 09:17 Okay. So, um, the, the, the unique challenge is you can't go out and you, you know, you, you, you don't have a bunch of equipment. Uh, so like, 09:25 where did you, so you got the cow thing going. And the good thing is the cows, it's a season long thing, you know, that's all good. 09:33 And it's a way to utilize really below average ground. I'm assuming you don't have to pay a lot for some of this 300 foot elevation change kind of stuff. 'cause you know, it doesn't have a lot of other value. 09:43 So it's cheap, I assume. Right? It well, that's relative, but yeah. Uh, generally 25, 30 bucks an acre, somewhere around in there. 09:52 Okay. And so, and you can put a lot of stuff out there. Are you under capacity right now on your cows? Yes. Okay. By, by design. 10:02 Okay. Is because, you Know, because we never know, as Chad says, 'cause it's the same way here. We're only two weeks from a drought most of the time uhhuh. 10:09 So you, you could have more cows, but you think that you'd better be underutilizing, the facilities, the pastures, et cetera. Okay. 10:17 I would much rather look at lust grass than man, I hope we make it. Okay. And then tell me 10:22 Landlords like that as well. Sure, sure they do. All right. Then tell me about the cropping. You, you didn't, you didn't go out and buy, uh, you know, the brand new biggest combine. 10:32 You didn't buy the biggest, I'm assuming. So what's your equipment look like right now? And then how did it get going in, you know, 15 years ago? 10:40 Well, uh, the cropping, funny enough, that actually started in 2018. Okay. I, 10:46 A farm that I had rented. Uh, the guy that was renting the crop ground on it, big farmer, he said, you know, I got plenty of money. I think I'll just quit. 10:56 So my landlord said, Hey, we've got a relationship. Do you want this? And I said, yes, sir, I sure do. 11:04 I planted my first 70 acre bean crop with a rented hay buster drill. I, I planted beans and then I figured out how to grow beans. 11:14 And I bought a 19 80 14 40 international combine. And the first time I drove a combine was I, when I pulled into the field to start cutting my beans. 11:28 All right. So where, where are you now? Uh, now, uh, I've actually got a real planter. I've got an, uh, an eight 15 Kenzie. But it's, it's pretty old too, but it works. Mm-hmm. 11:40 And I work, I call it my race car. 'cause I'm tinkering with that thing forever. Right. And I've got a, I've got a 2004 2388. 11:50 You know, it's not new, it's not shiny, but it will get, get the job done. Yep. And then you, you don't do hardly any tillage, 11:56 so you don't have to have a lot of equipment. And also the kind of ground you have, probably that that's best to not be tilling much. 12:03 That's absolutely right. Good way to break things is to start working ground here. Yeah. So no-till system works for you. Did you, 12:12 did you decide you were gonna be a no-till producer because of what you learned at Middle Tennessee State? 12:17 Or because you just didn't have the equipment or because somebody told you for god's sakes, whatever you do, 12:21 don't go out there and start trying to till this stuff. Well, interestingly enough, no-till here in, in my little portion of Middle Tennessee has been pretty popular here since the 12:30 late seventies. Yeah. I mean, it, it's almost, it's hardly anybody works ground. They just no-till everything. Yep. Yeah. It makes sense. By the way, 12:40 I wanna hear more about this real quick because I want to tell our listeners, uh, if it, it's been a stressful year if you're in the west, you know, 12:47 we're talking about over Kelly Yts and, and Lee Luber. It was a hundred excess of a hundred degrees in the Midwest for crying out loud. So I'm gonna ask you this question. 12:55 Are you ready to stand up to weather induced crop stress if you are turned to terramar in innovative bio stimulant technology from Loveland products designed 13:04 to help your corn and soybean crops thrive even under stressful conditions. It's not just heat stress, it's not just drought stress. Remember also, 13:12 if you wanna push the envelope on early planting, that's stressful. Cold soil is plant cold, snap is stressful. 13:17 There's a lot of things that are stressful. Try terramar exclusively available from nutrient ag solutions. Okay. So you don't, you don't have a lot of equipment, uh, 13:26 which you don't need it for that many acres. Uh, from, uh, the standpoint of technology, 13:32 you talk about that old planter we talk about at stuff with extreme ag, you can have an old planter if you keep tinkering and modernizing some of the 13:39 stuff, whether it's two Bay or in furrow or some of those things like that, you can still have very effective, uh, and, 13:45 and technologically advanced planting. Have you done that? I actually have the equipment in my possession right now to do it this winter. 13:55 Okay. So You I didn't wanna do it. I had a six row and I didn't wanna do it on that. 'cause I knew I wasn't going to keep it. 'cause I couldn't get it around. 14:02 It's too hard to get up and down the road, but I, I bought the eight row, uh, last winter and I'm gonna rebuild it this winter. 14:09 Oh, that's cool. All right. And then, uh, tell me about the practices. So you do almost, no, almost the all no-till you grow corn and soybeans, 14:18 you grow something different where you are Corn and soybeans and cover crop almost exclusively on everything. Okay. How do you get the cover crop in the ground? You use that old drill, 14:28 Either broadcast it or drill it in. Yeah. Still renting a drill. Okay. For That. Okay. So cover cropping, uh, the person that says, oh, 14:36 well I can't make that work. Well that won't work in, uh, Tennessee. Well, it won't work. Right. You know, everybody always has an excuse. 14:42 What's been your experience? Well, I'll just be completely honest with you. I've got a lot of highly erodable land and my conservation plan 14:52 says that, Mr. Huston, you need to be planting cover crops. So I plant cover crops. 14:57 Okay. And it works? Yes. Okay. What's your system of uh, then eradicating the cover crops? When it's time to plant, you use a bar, you just spray it. 15:07 You don't use tillage. Spray it. Okay. Terminate it close to planning time. And I assume you hire out the spraying from the retailer. 15:17 Uh, that's going to change this year as well. You're gonna buy A spray. But I have been, I have been up till now. 15:23 Now, do you think you can justify owning a sprayer for 500 acres? Are you going to use it? Are you gonna do some other work? 15:31 I'll probably, I may do a little other work, but not much. Most of it's gonna be for me. 'cause I'm, I'm making more passes now. Yeah. 15:39 And I'm also utilizing some things that I'm not buying from my local supplier and they're not gonna do that for me forever. 15:45 I see. All right. So, uh, ground, like you have clearly you've, you've outlined it as it's, it's, it's not what you'd call shiny. 15:52 Do you think that, do you think that intensive management, like the stuff that you're learning with xt extreme ag, 15:57 'cause you are definitely, uh, you're taking this as seriously as you're taking your 80 hour work, uh, week at the, at the college dairy. You 16:07 attend the events and you, and you take notes and you're thinking, you know, I'm gonna do this. 16:13 So does intensive management on crappy ground out yield or give you more return on investment than intensive management on good ground? 16:26 I really don't know the answer to that question because You don't have any who I know. Heck yeah. Pretty much. I know what it's doing for me here. Um, 16:35 I was, this, this has been such a, a game changer for me finding extreme ag. Yeah. 16:42 I was beating my head against the wall. It didn't matter. It seemed to matter what I did. 16:46 I could grow about 55 to 60 bushel beans if weather treated me Right. I could, I could make a little noise with corn, but beans just, and I actually had a, a seed salesman tell me, well, 16:59 maybe you just got fish 50 bushel ground. Yeah. I'm not buying that. Mm-hmm. I'm just not. Mm-hmm. And 17:07 On your, on your application, so you started doing some, some more, uh, 17:12 intensive stuff after you started watching the videos and the guys and all this sort of stuff. What was the first big, uh, thing you adapted or adopted? 17:23 Probably the, the most bang for my buck. I've, I guess I could say, uh, bringing PGRs into the mix. Okay. 17:33 I had heard the term, didn't know anything from anything last year. Um, I played with IC and fulvic and sugar just a little bit, but didn't really know. 17:43 I didn't know what I didn't know. And it is funny, cutting the curve. Um, we've, we've sort of smashed the curve and thrown it off in the ditch. I mean, 17:52 I, I've made a a, a quantum leap here just by paying attention. Yeah. Well that's good. That's what we're here for. Uh, here's the thing, 18:04 if you were doing, I mean, you weren't, you weren't, even when you first started, you had experience from college and all that. So it wasn't like you were this hopeless greenhorn that was out there doing, 18:12 you know, really, you know, stupid stuff, but True. But, uh, so you were actually making a little bit of money then. 18:19 You're doing more stuff now. You're getting more yield. Is it profitable or is it, I'm still learning and I'm still applying more stuff and I'm still not making 18:27 anymore. Are you making more dollars per acre now or is it still about the same? Yes. More dollars per 18:31 More dollars per acre. Yep. Yep. Can, can you, are you in a position where you think that you'll have, instead of 500, next year it'll be 600, then it'll be 800, 18:39 then it'll be a thousand? Or do you think that you're landlocked? No, the, the plan is to keep, keep growing. Yeah. There, 18:47 there's a, I've got a neighbor around here that, uh, I, I told him one time when he gets ready to retire, 'cause he keeps floating that idea around. I said, you know, when you retire, 18:59 somebody's gonna be you. And I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be me. He thought that was pretty funny, but I was serious. Yeah. Uh, one thing that, 19:08 you know, is at the end of the day, this is a business. Mm-hmm. And it, it's pretty cutthroat and, and competitive. And 19:19 I haven't ever been one to pirate ground Yeah. So to speak. Right. You know, I, I get what I get and, you know, if I get some more, that's great, 19:27 but I'm not gonna come after yours. I just, I just don't do that. Right. Uh, temples Field day, you were there, 19:37 Maryland is a long way from what you have and where you are. Um, what'd you see there that was applicable or that you were saying, 19:46 I'm gonna take back to my farming operation in, uh, what's the town again? Sheer Shelbyville, Tennessee 19:52 Shelbyville, Tennessee. Um, one of the biggest things I wanted to see when I went to Temples is, is how it's supposed to look. You know, 20:00 I'm quite certain that his grower standard practice, or Chad's or Matt Miles or Kevin, anyone, any of 'em just go down list way different than mine. 20:11 Yep. And consequently, their results are gonna be way different than mine. Yep. 20:17 So I just wanted to get out and, and see what it's supposed to look like. And even, uh, when I went through the station where the beans were, 20:26 I didn't get hardly enough time. So I went out with my flashlight after dinner and, and just took some time and, 20:33 and crawled around and looked at plants and leaves and, and stems and like, I would if I was at home, you know, I wasn't on a time schedule. 20:41 Right, right, right, right. Speaking of soybeans, you said that your dad came by and, uh, he doesn't know anything about farming, but you showed him your soybeans and he, he saw something that impressed him. 20:51 What, what was, what did, what was the observation? He couldn't believe how big they were. He said, I, I've, he said, I've looked at your beans before. Now, like you said, 21:02 my dad doesn't know anything about farming much, but he could tell a big difference in just how big they were. And how many of them there, there were 21:09 Pods, Pods, Pod count. Yeah. Yeah. Got it. Uh, all right. So you were in the audience at Western Kentucky University for that seed event 21:18 where I was a speaker. When you go to those things, what's, I mean, you're, you're obviously still going to field days and you're not going there just to 21:25 drink coffee. And, and y y you know, y yak with the, the neighbors. You go to a seed event. What do you go in there specifically? 21:34 I think that if I go and invest my time, I actually have a stated objective. Well, I've gotta meet so and so. 'cause I got a business thing to talk to 'em about. 21:42 I need to see this in practice. You know, I, I go in there. Do you go in there with some objectives? Okay. 21:49 Absolutely. I don't have the time to just go mess around. I don't go to town and, 21:54 and sit at the coffee shop and drink coffee in the morning. I, I don't quit and go eat lunch in the middle of the day. You know, at the rec. I, 22:01 I don't have time for that. I've got too much to do when I go to, you know, 22:07 like that deal or the Farm Machinery show in Louisville or an XA event. I've got a list. Yeah. That particular field day, 22:15 I had two varieties that I wanted to look at. Yep. That I have planted here that I wanted to see what they look like there. Um, I also, uh, you met the guy that works for me at that event. Yep. 22:28 He's a young guy, farm kid. He's 23 years old and is a really smart kid and, and just, I, I'm so lucky to have him. Yeah. Um, 22:40 I wanted to take him with me to open his eyes to look around a little bit and, and see some different things. 22:45 Plus look at the varieties that we went to look at to see what he thought about the same thing. And plus, just as a kind of an, as an aside, 22:55 I know Damien X a never seen Damien the speaker. That's true. Well, yeah. And then, and, and I didn't, and, and I didn't, uh, lay an egg too bad that day. Um, 23:05 Oh, it was great. Your operation agronomics, the business side, the soil side, the yield side, et cetera, et cetera. 23:12 Give me a couple of specific things that you've gotten out of extreme ag that you, like you said okay, you started doing some humans fall books, 23:19 and then your plant growth regulators are one of your biggest first takeaways. Like something that you did this year that you were like, yeah, 23:25 that's gonna be a big thing for me. Oh, again, the, the PGS and the, the IC and fulic and sugar, you know, I would've gotten there eventually. 23:36 Mm-hmm. But how long would that have taken? Who knows? Mm-hmm. It took a year doing it this way. The pgs, you know, 23:44 like I said, we, we've smashed the curve. We didn't cut it, we just smashed it. Mm-hmm. Because I, I have the resources to ask the questions, 23:54 how do I utilize this? What's the best way to do this? And you know, that I've had some questions that they get answered, 24:02 which is just fantastic for me. Do you think you're gonna be putting in a di will you diversify your crop mix? Because it seems to me that where you are, and you're not far from Nashville, 24:13 just seems to me that you might be selling yourself short on a small acreage. You might get more bonus, more benefit, 24:19 more potential profit if you did some oddball thing. Are you gonna be delving into anything like that in the next couple years? Well, uh, I don't know how much you know about our geography, 24:29 but Jack Daniels is not real far from here and they're playing with some different things. Uh, some different corn varieties. Uh, I think they're messing with some. Right. 24:41 If I can figure out how to crack that nut, I'll, I'll wade right into the middle of that and I'm open for pretty much anything. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, being a first gen is a blessing and a curse. Mm-hmm. 24:54 It's a blessing to me in that, you know, the way we've always done it, it, it hadn't been that very long ago. 25:00 Yeah. Right, right, right, Right. So we we can change that. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have a, 25:05 you don't have a lot of legacy to concern yourself with. So the thing is, does a place like Jack Daniels, do they want to have that whole story about the, 25:12 uh, this small guy that's first gen guy? Or do they want someone that has 10,000 acres, uh, in one corporation and they just say, boom, that's where our stuff comes from. 25:20 Makes you wonder. Uh, most of their, well not mo all of their corn comes from out of town anyway. Yeah. They have some very specific parameters as far as test weight, 25:31 moisture that, you know, they've got some contractors that they're, you know, that's forever. The, the other deal is just kind of a, 25:39 let's play around a little bit and see what happens. If we can find somebody that'll grow some of this for it now it, it's it's test kitchen type stuff. 25:45 Yeah. Right. Got it. All right. One piece of advice, idea, practice, uh, 25:51 that you have used since you started your farming operation, that you're like, Hey, here's something of a habit, a practice, an idea, a tip, 26:01 whatever it is that you say, you know what, this has helped me get to where I am. Um, well, one thing, 26:07 and it's not always served me well. Uh, it's not really logical when you think about it. If everybody's going this way Yeah. For some reason in my twisted brain, 26:18 that's reason enough that I should maybe go that way. 'cause they might be wrong. Mm-hmm. Sometimes they're going that way. 'cause that's the best way to go. Sure. 26:26 So you go against the grain. I've gotta go find out. You go against the grain, but you don't, but you don't, you're not bothered by the fact that you go against the grain. 26:33 Not at all. If, if, you know, most people think I'm about half crazy anyway. 'cause of the things that I do. And, you know, even starting this deal, 26:41 I can't tell you how many people said, oh, that'll never work. Yeah. You can't make that work. Yeah. When I planted my first crop, 26:47 I had two or three guys tell me, well that that'll, that'll never fly. Of course, they're all pretty big crop producers, so I mm-hmm. You know. 26:56 Yeah. Something's gotta be working. Yeah. So you're small, you're smaller scale stuff. How many, how many landlords you have for your, uh, your operation? 27:09 15 or 16. Oh my goodness. I've got cattle at, I counted up this morning. I've got cattle at eight different places. 27:16 Yeah. And then, this is kind of funny. There are two quail preserves here in our county. I farm both of them. One of them, I, I've got crops growing around the, 27:28 the food plots where they put the birds. Yeah. Uh, the other one I cut hay off of. 'cause you know, that's available. So Yeah. I'll take it. There 27:36 You go. Wildlife preserves of your place. All right, I'm gonna get outta here. I think it's cool. You're talking about Russ Oton. He is in, uh, Shelbyville, 27:44 Tennessee. Go to an ag, extreme ag event. You're likely to see him, he's a member. Uh, I think you're proven I'm taken away from this. Uh, 27:51 first off, don't try. Don't be afraid to try new things. Secondly, you can be a first gen. And you know what, 27:57 there's almost this thing where you gotta go around and, and talk about how big you are. Well, you're, you're not a, a, 28:03 a big time operator and you're still making it all work. You also, uh, uh, you come into it with the idea that, you know, I, 28:11 I don't have to have the legacy. I don't have to. I'm not burdened by the legacy of I'm gonna do it. Like Daddy always did it. So that's kind of a cool thing. So, cool. Thanks for being here. 28:21 Thanks. Till next time. He's Russ Huston, if you want to find him, how do they find you? 28:29 Oh, Russell, What's your business? Your email? I got your business card right here, Russell. Yeah. Yeah. You have that 28:36 Russell Russell us us. It's it. It's U S E L T O N. It's like us, Elton. All right. Till next time, thanks for being here. 28:48 I'm David Mason and this is Extreme Ag Cutting the Curve. That's a wrap for this episode of Cutting the Curve, but there's plenty more. 28:55 Check out Extreme where you can find past episodes, instructional videos and articles to help you squeeze more profit outta 29:04 your farm. Cutting the curve is brought to you by Advanced Drainage Systems, the leader in agriculture water management solutions.