00:00 Hey, we're talking about last pass on soybeans. That thing you do, that very last thing you do to salvage or produce great big 00:08 yields. That's what we're talking about here at Temple Roads and our friend from Ag Explorer. 00:12 Welcome to Extreme ags cutting the curve more than just a podcast. It's the place for insights and information you can apply immediately to your 00:21 farming operation for increased success. This episode of Cutting the Curve is brought to you by Ag Explorer with innovative products that improve fertilizer efficiency, protect yield potential, 00:32 and reduce stress. Ag Explorer helps growers maximize field potential. Find out how Ag Explorer can help you get more out of your crop@agexplorer.com. 00:41 And now here's your host, Damien Mason. Well Greens and welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ag cutting the curve. We're talking about the last pass on soybeans in particular, uh, 00:52 Temple's doing quite a bit of work with products from Ag Explore. We've got Adrian Boyd, 00:58 who is a sales agronomist for Ag Explorer talking about that, particularly as it relates to soybeans. But Temple does also use, 01:05 and he is got even trials going, uh, on corn with Ag Ex products. And he also, uh, has used it on wheat. 01:11 So let's talk about the soybeans because that's what Adrian mostly was excited about and I would think that, uh, we want to get to that. So here it is, 01:17 we're recording this the first week of August. Take me from here what you're gonna do, why you're gonna do it, and what the results you think you're going to see. 01:26 So I've been lucky enough to, you know, work with Aggie Core for now. This is my second year and I've come to Lake a bunch of their products. Um, 01:35 last year I took a a, a full dive into their portfolio and I got to use a lot of it and I put a lot of it on, um, all of my acres. Well, 01:45 one of the things that I've been doing for years is, you know, going back in late season, you know, 01:50 after our four and soybeans and we'll put a heavy load in there with a bunch of different products and we're driving yield and we're, we've obtained big yields and corn, soybeans and wheat. But, you know, 02:04 I guess I'm kind of known a little bit of a soybean guy per se. I don't know why we get labeled like that, 02:09 but I've done fairly decent in this and it, it's actually spun off in our irrigated acres instead of me just trialing and um, and, and, and getting some response. 02:23 This late season pass at this R 4.5 to R five, which everybody else have taken off and gone to the beach. It's become part of my standard practice and I can go right through, you know, 02:36 exactly what we use, why we use it, and all of that. Alright, so at R five, you think most people decide, ah man, it's done. It's here. We are. We're only what, a month? Five weeks out? 02:48 Five weeks? Maybe six. I mean, you got six weeks probably, but I mean, like I said, we're, we're in that between R four and R. 02:57 Most people make that at like, um, they'll do like maybe a P G R fungicide and insecticide. Some do a micro pack, some don't do a micro pack, um, 03:09 at that or two to three. And after that's done, that's it. They're just, they they, they're gonna ride it out. 03:16 All right. So I wanna hear what you put on, but I also wanna hear from the agronomist here. Um, is he waiting too late? Is he doing, we call him, he's one of the send it twins with Chad Henderson. Uh, 03:27 he never met a product or a pass, he didn't think that you should go ahead and do so. Uh, is he overdoing it Adrian? 03:34 Well I think, you know, when we start talking about PGR is what we're looking at is extending that grain field period. Um, and you know, 03:43 temple's probably pushing things a little bit more than what some guys are. We're running a lot of that, uh, P G R and that R three period. 03:50 But what we're trying to do is extend that grain field so you know, what Temple's saying is correct in that a lot of guys are giving up on that 03:58 maybe too late. And you know, we're trying to extend that grain field. We're looking at more nutrient uptake, uh, 04:05 pushing that plant and trying to, uh, increase, you know, yield, seal return on our investment that we're putting out there with these pgr. So, 04:15 you know, I don't, there there's, uh, opportunity there for sure to, to continue to push those beans. Maybe when we're, uh, you know, 04:24 some guys have already kind of, kind of finished out for a year, well He called it R four and a half to R five. 04:30 I think he was sort of like maybe a little embarrassed to say he is going out there at R five. 'cause people are like, 04:34 what in the hell is he waste his money doing that for? But the reality is it must be paying off. He's got, he's set records and he's, he gets big temple gets big yields. So I don't think this is all just some, 04:45 you know, silly, silly activity. It's, it's working. So he answer me to this, the stuff you're putting on in this last pass, 04:52 which is gonna be here pretty soon is gonna be what? So we're gonna add, uh, octane, which is their sugar product. We're gonna add, um, their P G R, which is ax, which is a reproductive, um, 05:06 uh, P G r. One of the things that, uh, the person For the person, for the person that's tuned into this episode for the first time that they've 05:14 ever been on extreme Ag P G R equals plant growth regulator. And yeah, the, 05:20 I never even knew what that was till I started working with extreme Ag a couple years ago. 05:24 Why would you want to regulate the growth of a plant when it's trying to get down the home stretch? Just curious. 05:30 It really should be called a plant growth stimulator, to be honest with you. It shouldn't be called a regulator because it doesn't really regulate things. 05:37 So lemme just tell you why I do each one of these products and I'll go through each one of the products. So one, I'm using the sugar, sugar drives energy, 05:45 right? Yeah. Um, but one, you know, when we talk about the, the onward max, their P G R, when you put a P G R on there, 05:54 it's mo it's plant growth hormones and you're giving it something and you're kind of making that plant do something at that point that it normally wouldn't 06:03 do. So you're creating a reaction and you're stimulating this response. And then you gotta have, be willing to do a bunch of the other stuff, 06:13 you know, with putting some, uh, high phosphorus, uh, like a, their charge product. 06:19 It's a high phosphorus blend of micro and when you add all these things together, you know, strike N X T, which is a potassium acetate, 06:28 it's got humic in it. You, when you do all these things together, it aids to the weight, but when you put onward max in there, 06:35 their P G R plant growth regulator, you can actually make that plant re-bloom again at the growth point. And when you can do that 06:45 And wait real quickly, uh, Adrian, why do I want that to bloom a second time? Well, I mean, more bloom equals more fruit and uh, 06:54 more fruit equals more yield. So, you know, and and like temple saying there and trying to, to, to influence, I mean, we're trying to generate weight as much weight as we can because at the end of 07:05 the day, weight's what we're selling. Yeah, Yeah. You're selling pounds. Everybody always talks about bushels. We're selling pounds on the truck. 07:11 So are those blooms the second ones that he gets by using the, the onward max? Are they gonna time out? I mean, 07:21 is it, in other words, do they catch up with everything else or are they behind? I mean, are they still green when the other stuff's drying down or, I mean, 07:27 it just seems like it's a little bit off cycle When it off-cycle. Well, that goes back into what he is saying about trying to push that plant. I mean, 07:34 you wanna keep that plant healthy, happy. Um, you know, what we're trying to do with some of the products, you know, with something like a charge, you know, high phosphorus, micro pack, you know, 07:44 we're trying to keep the gas pedal pushed on that thing. You know, we're wanting this kind of nice root system on it for a reason. 07:49 We're not trying to replace soil fertility, we're trying to push the gas pedal on that thing for it to finish out just as strong as it can. 07:57 So I guess my question is, is it off cycle and does it end up catching up and you're pretty much saying, yeah, it's gonna, it'll be just fine. 08:04 Yeah, you may not turn every one of those balloons into a a harvestable pod. Right? But you're definitely increasing, uh, the chances, um, 08:14 versus not using something like, you know, A A P G R. And it, it was interesting when I came on, uh, with Ag Explorer and pg, you know, 08:22 talking about a P G R, uh, because we were in the south, a lot of guys referenced that to cotton and, uh, you know, 08:30 there's just a lot of education around some of these products, um, because people, you know, automatically think, yeah, 08:36 I've got some tall beans that let me spray 'em with a P G R, and that's not what we're trying to to influence here at all. 08:42 We're trying to trick that plant into going from vegetative mode into really pushing his energy into reproductive. 08:48 Yeah. And, and that is, by the way, I mean Kelly spoke about that and at least more than a year ago about the pg, he does want his beans to not become six foot tall because then they fall over 09:00 and all that. So plant growth regulator does actually do regulation and I I think you should speak to it, Adrian. Also, 09:07 what I've learned with you guys is there's two kinds of plant growth regulator. There's a kind of be used during a vegetative cycle. 09:12 There's a time to be used during the reproductive cycle of the plant. And if you mix those up, you're, you're gonna do yourself some harm. 09:19 That's correct. Yeah. You're looking at some of the, uh, some of the, um, percentages of, of the product that we've got in each one of those. Uh, 09:28 stimulating root and shoot growth is what we're looking at trying to achieve, uh, early on in the season. Whether we're putting something, you know, 09:35 in furrow or over the top and maybe a post herbicide. And in late season, you know, we're looking at a different blend of, um, some of those choline, 09:44 chlorides and, uh, different products that we've got in there then to what, just what temple was speaking about a minute ago. 09:52 We're trying to influence that plant to do something that it typically, uh, or, or create a, 09:58 a indicator in there that it typically wouldn't do that's gonna, you know, influence the yield 10:03 Temple roads. You said octane, which is a sugar. You do that for energy to make sure that the plant finishes out strong, I think is what you were saying. Onward max is, 10:11 you call it plant growth regular, which really a plant growth stimulant. And that's because it gives you a second set of blooms, 10:16 which can then become power, which become then pods, which become beans, become weight, and then upward. What's the product upward do for you? 10:23 Why do you put it So upward is, um, it's three products mixed together. It's their inferno product, which Inferno is a human fo mix. Um, 10:33 octane is already in that, um, in that mix too. And it's prevent xt, prevent XT is, uh, uh, phosphorus, SOIs either. 10:42 You got it. It's a what? Wait, wait. Hey, wait, let's let Adrian, what in the hell did he just say? 10:49 Solubilizer? Soluble. Soluble, yes. Solu soluble, uh, soluble is by the way, I temple's a good talker, 11:00 but he has a few little things he tells with apparently solubilizer and then the word water. He still calls it Worder. Yeah, 11:06 It's Worder worder. It's, It's Water. Hey, we're out here in the Chesapeake Bay. There's water everywhere. They're like, there's what? There's people wording this. There's worder anyway. 11:15 Yeah, absolutely. What's a solubilizer do, Adrian? So what we're doing in that is either freeing up phosphorus that we've got in the soil or creating a a, 11:27 a particle there that's going to bind up, um, some, some of those charges in the soil to allow phosphorus to be more freely available to plant. Um, 11:39 so in season you're able to free up some of that phosphorus maybe that you've got, uh, with higher indexes in the soil. 11:47 Okay. And person that's not as agronomic versed it, it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not got the phosphorous in it, it makes the plant get it phosphorous. That's more, 11:59 it makes phosphorous more available to the plant that's in the soil. Is that more 12:03 Available, more efficient, what you're putting, you know, even in products that you're applying, it's making it, uh, 12:09 p more available to the plant, more efficient. Isn't one of the, isn't it one of the things that we've learned, you know, between the, the, the algae blooms and the lake, uh, 12:19 at Erie and the over usage of phosphates that isn't that kind of one of the things in the last 10 years we've discovered we might have enough 12:28 phosphates in many cases there, it's just making 'em available. Isn't that kind of, uh, is that the gist of this product? 12:34 Yeah, definitely. I think, um, you know, I think there's a lot of room with these products to be more, definitely more efficient with driving them in the plan. 12:42 And as we learn about that then I think, you know, we can help growers to be, uh, more mindful or or more understanding in how they could use some of these 12:52 products to, um, maybe tweak some of the rates on what they're using and, and get that, uh, 12:59 maybe a higher percentage of what they're putting in the soil actually in the plant. Yeah. Versus um, you know, 13:06 build in high pea levels and then erosion and things like that where we run into some, to some issues with water quality. 13:13 So temple, you got, uh, we got the octane sugar, we got the onward max plant growth, stimulant regulator. We got the upward, which is the humic phobic. It's also got, uh, 13:22 some of the elements of octane in it, which is more sugar and it's also got the solubilizer, which helps make stuff more available, particularly p Is there anything else? 13:30 Well, We'll usually use the, uh, we'll generally use the upwards upfront, you know, 13:36 in the beginning edge where we can drive a bunch of that stuff into the plant. Mainly what we're doing on our next path is, um, 13:44 last pass octane. Last last pass. Their last, the last pass, sorry. The last pass is a sugar for energy, which is their octane product, 13:53 A P G R, which is onward max because it's a reproductive pg r We'll use inferno because it's a humic blend. It'll help get things into the plant. 14:03 We'll use a high phosphorus, um, uh, micro pack, which is theirs. It's called charge. That's one I use on everything. Um, the reason that we're trying to use a high phosphorus in there, two things. Um, 14:17 75% of the the crops needs for phosphorus are in the reproductive stages and we don't have enough at the end. And that's one thing that we're thinking that is getting, 14:29 is driving a lot of yield, is trying to put a high phos micro pack in the end because they're so efficient, you know, we can drive them into the plan. 14:38 And the last thing that we put in there is a potassium acetate, which there's a strike nxt, um, 14:44 their potassium acetate and it also has some hum and fallbacks in there to help kind of buffer a little bit of that salt load that we're gonna be putting out 14:53 there. That's a big help. Um, so that's basically the main components. And then of course we're gonna put a, a, 14:59 a fungicide in there to keep it healthy and we're gonna put it insecticide in there to keep it healthy. We don't 15:05 Fun. Understand the insecticide. Help me out. Potassium acetate. Adrian, what's the purpose of that? 15:11 Uh, potassium, you know, is one of the main drivers in yield. A soybean plant uses a very, um, 15:18 I don't have the numbers right here in front of me, but they're using it, it's using a high load of potash, um, during the season. 15:24 So if we can drive some of that potassium acetate being the most available form of potassium in a foliar application to kind of help supplement that, 15:35 keep it going, um, and finish strong during the season. So Damien, let me just add to what, what, um, Adrian's saying. So we've looked at years and years past of our, you know, our own, 15:49 uh, data on our own tissue samples. And whether it's corn, soybeans, wheat, it doesn't matter what it is. 15:55 There's this big curve where we know that potassium is in the plant, it's in the plant, it's in the plant, 16:01 and then when you get into the red ve or reproductive stages, it's this huge drop off. And when you get into grain fill, it drops way, 16:11 way low. And the reason is because it's driving that potassium into the, to build that grain and that grain is gonna add more weight. 16:18 So one of the things that we started adding is we started adding a bunch of potassium tate ahead of the curve. 16:24 So in all of our R stages when we go across the field, we're putting a strike NX t in there because we're trying to drive a little more potassium in the plant, a little more potass in the plant, 16:35 and it's driving a lot of weight into that plant. So, uh, or into that seed. So that's one of the things that, that, you know, 16:43 we picked up on years and years ago, watching our own data, watching our own tissue samples, 16:49 and watching what they're trying to do and trying to be proactive, not reactive. This last pass, which is what number four across the soybeans? 17:00 Number three. Oh, it's quite a few. Yeah. Okay. It's quite a few. At least four. Uh, 17:06 It's probably more than that, but yes, at least four. Alright. It may be your fifth. Uh, can you gimme an idea on what you're spending per acre? 17:14 This, this particular pass rate here that we just talked about last year, um, Adrian and I got together and we made a visit to Heath Re down in Chesapeake, 17:25 Virginia. And, um, we looked at all of his, uh, all of his, um, acres and we decided on, you know, 17:33 to use basically my program on it. And I think we were about 33, 30 $4 an acre. Wasn't that what it was, Adrian? It was about somewhere, somewhere close to 17:44 That. Yeah. What we were putting charge, um, some ni in there to up up the micronutrients, um, out of that and that strike nxt, which we've, 17:55 we had to reformulate that a little bit this year to XR five K S B, um, which has actually got a higher load of potassium acetate in it with still 18:04 picking up the sulfur and boron. So this is 30, and by the way, I didn't hear, does this have micronutrients in it? This, uh, last pass? You don't need 'em. 18:14 Well, each one of those, you know, the charge and the Strat nxt, there's a little bit of things in that as well. There's, 18:21 there's some micros in it. Not a real, real heavy load. Um, we actually use Nitro Ultra last year, 18:27 which is their heavy duty micronutrient package. We used that as well. Um, in a bunch of these different blends, um, 18:35 where we used it last year on Heath, um, uh, ground his soybeans, he picked up, you know, 10, 11 bushels what he told us. Yeah. So 10, 18:45 11 bushels selling 'em at $12, we outweighed that 30 couple dollars. Yeah. Right. 2,020 bucks versus, uh, 120 bucks. 18:54 A $34 to spend plus some time. All right, so this last pass, um, you're gonna be doing it here soon or five and then, uh, 19:04 the, we covered everything that's in there. Uh, question for you. You're, you are convinced that, uh, 19:13 you are a intensive manager of, say you're soybeans and there's some people that say, you know, it's just soybeans. I focus on corn. Why wouldn't you? When, when, if, 19:23 if you can get it is just like we talked about in a previous recording, it ain't sexy. Okay. Soybeans aren't supposed to be sexy. I don't care. 19:30 Money is sexy. And so if you can get 120 return on a $34 investment, I'm there every day. I can tell you time and time again when we make applications of soybeans and 19:42 if it's the right application, we can get way bigger return on our investment than we can with corn. If you make up something that's, you know, two or three bushels in corn, 19:51 which sometime is, is a lot, well a lot of these little things that we're picking up here, it's two or three bushel here, a bushel here, you know, 19:59 that's a big dollar value when it's $12 versus $7 corn or, Or $5 corn, 20:05 You know, like last year or $5 corn. Like, I like soybeans 'cause I'm kinda lazy. I would like the idea that I only have to haul one third as much crap. I mean, 20:14 I don't have to try to drive to the grain terminal so often because, you know, uh, I, 20:19 I get less stuff per acre and more dollars per bushel they taught me a long time ago. 20:23 It's better to make more dollars per hour and work less hours than to make less dollars per hour and work a whole bunch of hours. I think that's the, when, 20:29 when you look at soybeans is kind of how maybe we should be thinking that way. I mean, soybeans sometimes are a little bit more drought tolerant, you know, 20:36 when when, when we're talking about p using PGRs and furrow and some of the stuff that we've done with the testing on soybeans and furrow, 20:45 we can actually build this massive root system that you would never think a soybean plant can actually make. Yeah. Yeah. And, 20:52 and they're way more drought tolerant. They take as far as on our irrigated acres, they take, I mean not even 30% of what our corn takes. So, um, you know, 21:03 less cost involved in that as well. Like when you're talking about a all over r o I seems pretty sexy to me. I'm gonna leave it right there. His name's Temple Rhodes, uh, 21:14 one of the big cheeses with extreme Ag. I'm just the host of this episode and all the episodes of cutting the Curve. If you have not heard and watch them, I encourage you. 21:24 It's an audio where you get your favorite podcast. It's also a video available@theextremeag.farm site and also on Acres tv. These are free to watch, free to listen to. 21:35 You can learn and up your farming game. The idea when we called it cutting the curve was we're cutting your learning curve, 21:40 shortening your learning curve to great information to help you make more money on your farming operation. 21:46 Hundreds of these episodes have been recorded and also hundreds of infield videos. Guys like Temple Shoot, 21:52 we're very grateful to have business partners like Adrian Boyd come in and share their expertise. He's an agronomist and he just told you some stuff, uh, 21:59 about growing better soybeans. He's also very tired 'cause he's been running around the field days all day today and he's been up since four. 22:05 It's not just farmers that like to care out about the time they wake up, it's also sales agronomists. Anyway, till next time, thanks for being here, 22:11 Adrian. Thank you. All right. 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