00:00 Welcome to extreme acts cutting the curve podcast where we cut your learning curve with insights. You can apply immediately to your farming operation. This episode 00:09 is presented by Loveland products. When it comes to crop inputs you need products that are field proven to deliver both results and value for more 00:18 than 50 years Loveland products has been providing Farmers with high performance value-driven product Solutions designed 00:24 to maximize productivity on every acre visit Loveland products.com to see how they're Innovative products can help you farm more profitably and 00:33 now here's your host Damien Mason. Hey there welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ice cutting the curve. We're talking today about looking Beyond just 00:42 fertility, especially at time of planting. Let's face it. You've heard it here. Probably if you've been tuning into our stuff in PKA and 00:51 PK, lots of fertilizer. Well, you know, we've gotten away from that Old Fashioned thinking there's a whole heck of a lot of things that can be done at time of 00:57 planning. They're going to create a big yield and a great result and it goes way past just fertility. We're talking about 01:03 other products and other things you can do at time of planning to get tremendous results. We're a lead off with Kelly Garrett. Kelly gears joined by Kevin Matthews. 01:12 Both of them basically have a little bit of a rain out. We were recording this mid-april and I was able to get them to to hop 01:18 on a call because they had just a little bit of rain to kind of gave them a Slowdown and planting Kelly's about 1/4 of the way through his planting Kevin's 01:27 probably a conservatively beyond that. But anyway, they're taking up right. I'm embarrassed feelings. 01:36 All right, so he's not considerably beyond that. But anyway, they're both taking a little break from planting and they're gonna talk about stuff. They're 01:42 doing right this minute while planting as it relates to getting a big result and it's not anything to do with fertility. But then again it is because almost fertility enhancement Kelly. 01:51 You've got something kind of excited to share about a product accomplished Max. It's a soil metabolite you and me and Kevin were on stage in 02:00 conjunction with commodity classic back in March and we spoke a great length about this. So kind of tell us what you're doing first off. It's it's 02:09 a product that does a couple of things and you think it's probably going to give you some pretty big results. Yes, you know accomplish Max is the product that we're 02:19 using today, but accomplish LM is the base of that product. It's been a flagship product for Loveland for eight or ten years now and what accomplished does is 02:28 it's like starting at second base instead of Home Plate, you know, or Evans also gave me 02:34 an another analogy here. It's like jump starting a battery. So the your soil biology 02:40 produces metabolites that feed the microbes stimulate the microbes to to produce plan available nutrition. Okay, and what accomplished LM 02:50 does is it supplements? Those metabolites? It puts you gives you extra metabolites in the soil to jump start that soil just like jump starting the battery. 02:59 And now what Loveland has done is they have taken the kelp extraction piece that they have and they put that's still stress mitigation 03:08 properties into accomplished LM. The new product is called accomplished Max. I first tested it in 2021. I 03:16 Immediately thought it was going to be snake oil. I had a 10 bushel yield advantage in a high yield area that I had a 03:22 28 bushel yield advantage in a stressed area and last year it we started using it as grower standard practice on every acre of corn on the 03:31 soybeans and Furrow and I you know, I've said before that I really think we talked too much about constant fertility always pushing that NP and K. 03:41 We're forgetting other things especially plant health and plant stress and 03:46 the plants can't utilize all the fertility. We're pushing unless we make them healthier and take some of the stress off and that's why I use accomplished Max. I you 03:55 know, I don't really I've shared the number of times it was October of 2021 in your office wearing right now when I said what's a big objective for 04:04 2022 looking ahead and you said stress reduction. I want to make my plants less stressed because as and you said it if you have a well-trained athlete 04:13 you keep putting food in front of them, but right injured if they're if that well trained athlete is injured all the 04:19 food in the world and nutrition isn't gonna do me good same with our plants. I like that. So I want to get to Kevin 04:25 because do you have experience with accomplished Mass Kevin because Kelly has got quite a bit to share on that and his big it tied into 04:31 his big objective of stress meditation. Did you use a countless product? Yeah, I'm actually we've been using the 04:37 love or nutrients our primary supplier around here for just for my farm lays other suppliers do a good job as well. But Greg mcmurray's 04:46 just done such a phenomenal job looking after me and keeping product there. We've been using accomplished LM for 04:54 Elliot products been out a long time. I yeah, I prayed to say how long we used it all off and on and it was kind of 05:03 It was it was good, but it's kind of like a hitting Miss but then when they was able to come out with 05:09 the sea, kelp part, we added that before and we started seeing good things like Kelly did and I hadn't seen the 28 Bush was 05:18 in the stressed area because I didn't I didn't check no areas in the stress, but lots of times in your stressed areas is where you're gonna see the biggest 05:27 yield game because you got you got so many things going on in that little bit of help like a huge difference in that situation versus a sweet spot 05:36 in the field, but then we went with the accomplished Max and the nice thing was when they 05:42 they brought it. It's all in one package. I got less products take the field. I just put a tote on our tender trailer. 05:50 We're on a court to the acre which is the label rate on it. I guess you can fire on whatever you wanted to I don't know we need to do some test on 05:59 that Kelly see if Chad Anderson can send it for us and see when you get away with more. But hey, you said something interesting about sea? Kelp. I remember interviewing the 06:08 guys from this company like a year and a half two years ago as this kind of crazy. But this is a new thing in the last few years bringing in algae 06:17 and seek help and all that and put it in there and it seems a little bit too far fetched. You're just tell me this actually not it seems like 06:26 it seems like a little bit like when they used to try and sell shampoo to your wife by saying there was eggs in it or something. It's like what the hell 06:32 are eggs doing in my wife shampoo. So it's kind of like it seems kind of crazy, but you're saying is it's actually done the job of stress 06:38 reduction. Yeah, we're just platform enough as you know, really good. Yield response the biggest thing we 06:48 want Roi day and we want to make money with it and when it's making us money it works but you're 100% right 06:54 on that seek help. I mean, I guess about 10 years ago. I had a had a guide. I did a lot of research for he brought some by the farm and he's like, you know, 07:03 we need to check. Yes, and it's like so what is he? So let's see mineral see some C campus. I thought man. It's it's a snake 07:12 all right here, but it we got playing with it. It was so long ago. We really didn't know what was doing but we could see different responses, but we didn't really have to 07:21 manage it and now you know back then when you're trying to folder was doing all different stuff, but putting the emperor right in there to see is been 07:30 really good for all of us, I believe. Kelly again, I I hearken back to the October meeting in your shop because it's been a big thing that we've gone back to a number 07:42 of times when we're in front of the group there in conjunction with commodity classic. We spoke about this very thing about, you know, 07:48 all the nutrition in the world to an injured banged up athlete and gonna help anything you got to reduce the stress. 07:55 Then you said soil metabolites. This is another thing that kind of like gets a little out there 20 30 years ago. We didn't talk about soil metabolize. And 08:04 you said it gets the soil biology going Is that real number one and number two is it because biology is 08:10 not kicked in because it's cold soil or is it was it not going to kick in even when the soil got warm? I I think that when the soil is called the biology is not wrapped up 08:20 as much as he's taught as much as we would like it to be in like Kevin talked about the hit and miss I see that sometimes here 08:26 in my high yield area is that biology is really humming along and a lower yielding area that biology needs some help. He's all 08:35 the help it can get and that's where the cut that's where the metabolics really go. You know and Kevin is absolutely right. What we're really after is an Roi and those 08:44 lower yielding areas is very low hanging fruit and you taking the stress off those areas supplementing the biology in those 08:53 areas really improves the ROI years ago and a granamus told me if you can fix the bad spots and the field you're gonna fix the whole field and and that's that's exactly what a product 09:02 like this will help us. It's almost like a mic drop. Okay, if you can fix the bad spots and field you fix the whole field. All right, 09:08 Kevin on the soil tabulize thing again. This isn't something that I mean, you're the one that's been nearer to the to the field longer. 09:17 Than me. I don't remember hearing that. I don't remember hearing that in FFA soil judging over here that when I was in terms 09:23 of DuPont soil Motel the soil metabolites a real thing. Yeah, there's no question. But I will be quite Frank one thing about all of us at XA. 09:33 We surround ourselves by very smart people and we get Mike Evans Lee louvers and guys in like yet and man they can they can 09:42 really help help us out on that and Kelly knows more about getting in depth than that because of his relationship working hand-to-hand with Matt or Mike 09:51 Evans every day. That's a just an awesome thing. You can learn So I'm not the best one to get in to the real details 09:59 of it, but we definitely seen the increase in the microbial life. And that's what we're after. We're also see easier stress early on in these tough 10:11 conditions when we use the product or products like this and that's what we're that's what we're after but as far as actually being able 10:20 to tell you that I understand and know 100% of it man. I got a lot to learn in this deal right here. I'm relying on Kelly. Alright, so answer me this when Kelly 10:29 said about a year and a half ago. I think we're gonna find out that that for certainly fertility matters, but we thought what we focused only on fertility 10:38 and thought more is better more better. There is reality to the idea that we've we were okay on fertility. We're probably okay on fertility our limiting factors 10:47 no longer fertility. Is that a yes or I guess yes or no true or false is that true fertility no longer our limiting factor. Absolutely your 10:56 Romanian that's true question and all ideas three years ago four years ago. 11:04 I would give you a totally different answer and I got to be careful how say this because somebody will get 11:10 on to me, but I'm really to the point now my in for a that I'm not really focused on in pnk and for I'm focused on the other 11:21 products as Kelly talked about I see a day coming at the Biologicals in the microbes and these these type products are going to be. 11:30 The main in for ingredient and then we're gonna be placing those other nutrients out. We need them more and Kelly talks about, 11:39 you know, relaying them, you know, reallocating that money further down the line and I can't agree more with what we're seeing Chad seeing 11:48 it. You know, I've seen it all those guys have seen it but we've seen in different ways Chad. He's seen it when he was, you know, only and it was 11:57 going to go to concrete next year and he was able to maintain a good crop. Well now we're taking all these ideas and Kelly's. 12:03 Don't really you guys are putting any fertility in for her right now. Are you feeling yeah, we put some calcium and some zinc in for oh, otherwise all that fertility, especially 12:12 in soybeans is push later and later and what's in Furrow are more things like accomplished Max and radiate not fertility. I want to get to radiate in a minute. 12:21 But the more important thing is I think we should probably put an answer. It's if this is like the first extreme AG video or 12:28 cutting the curve podcast that person tuned into they just heard me say fertility is not our limiting factor. Let's go ahead 12:34 and put the asterisk next to that Kevin. Yes fertility still matters and we preach adequate usage 12:40 of fertility kind of put the asterisk comment on there. So someone doesn't think I just told them don't worry about your fertility. 12:48 That's right. You know you just want to it's the right product in the right place at the right time. You got to get yours, right? Yeah. So the 12:57 point is we're not saying fertility doesn't matter. We're saying it's no longer probably if you're doing things right? It's 13:03 probably not the limiting factor to keep you from high yields that the better way to say Kelly. 13:09 Yeah, they can't hear you. Not your head on the radio. Sorry. You're absolutely correct. Yes. All right real quickly. I'm in deep thought I appreciate that. 13:18 I appreciate the pencilness. Um, here's what I'm gonna go with. Another thing that's looking Beyond because we're titling this whole episode 13:27 looking Beyond fertility at time planning. We're going to assume that you've got fertility figure it out. And by the way, we have countless 13:33 videos about that subject. So now we're talking about what else, you know sound like you want to be a great. I saw since we're already talking about examples. 13:44 You know, you see a great Center and in the NBA. Yeah, they know how to dribble they know how to handle but it's like there's that next thing that next thing we're kind of talk about that next thing. 13:53 So I never knew what a plant growth regulator was until I joined extreme AG I had no idea and then Kelly's tossed around pgr pgr. I'm like what? What does 14:02 this guy talking about? So, Kevin take us away here you put something in Furrow at town planning. The product called radiate. It doesn't 14:10 have to be radiate but you're gonna say it tell me why do I need a plant growth regulator? And why is that something Beyond fertility? 14:16 That gives me a big benefit? Well, we we do it because all right. Let me take you back a little bit on this pgr stuff, you 14:27 know just radiate has been out a long time. I don't I can't even remember how long it's been out but we've learned 14:36 how to use it. originally, we would rely on just foliar applications in vegetative state of the plants. We would put that that pgr 14:46 out there. But as we've moved along we found out by going in Furrow with that pgr. We can really enhance that 14:55 root development and help that plant mitigate that stress early on these cold Souls that Kelly's talking about. It's just 15:04 another vitamin you might say in there AIDS it just helps Handle that stress that can happen and 15:12 you know the guys here that planted last week. Before Easter it was really good conditions. And then we got down the 28-29 degrees. 15:24 We've got chilling inhibition set in because we got a cold rain so that first 50 Growing Degree units. 15:30 It sucked that cold water in and when you start using these products like this, it's not gonna stop that from happening but it's gonna help reduce 15:39 the stress on that seedling as it's emerging and starting to grow and build that root mass and that is a that's just it's 15:48 a different way of thinking now Dr. Heineker at NC State is done a lot of expensive work on the product radiate and what's 15:57 really neat on what he's saying is the rate. I mean, it's really easy. It's two ounces Breakers is what they have found to do in birth, 16:06 but Dr. Heidegger's research. I spoke with him earlier this week in day. I wanted to make sure I understood it clearly what he found 16:15 and in his research. On the there he have plots all over North Carolina going right above me here about 20 miles and what 16:23 he has found is running a four ounce of radiate. is give him a solid yield gain every time and the 16:33 least you'll gain he had found was eight bushels. But he has seen as much as 10 to 12 bushels. And when he ran the two ounce rate, he 16:43 would see you'll gains but it wasn't as consistent and you'll gain is what he's saying when he went to the four ounce rate, but that's a 16:52 lot more money, but With all the trials he had over a two-year period it's and that win 17:01 rate and and he does a phenomenal job. I mean, we I've got to work with him just my whole career and that's pretty 17:10 Rock Solid information right there. So we just want to make sure I get this rate really is a pgr. That's it's only you know, as opposed to that. We were talking about accomplished Max. 17:19 It's a soil metabolite. It's got sea kelp in it. It's a stress mid again. It's it's really at least two things. Maybe three things is radiate anything 17:28 besides just plant growth regulation. Just a pgr just a pgr. Alright, and so the the and that four ounce 17:37 rates on corn is where he's done his research at the soybeans. We're in two out Freight on the soybeans. We don't have any research to justify anything but two 17:46 ounces only on the soybeans. Okay. So the net result so far on his Trials of doubling the rate to four. What was the Bing. What 17:55 was the big bang for you for doing that late? You already seen was eight bushels on corn, um troia 10 to 12 was more 18:04 than average, but he never become under eight and when he run the two ounce rate on corn he would 18:10 get yield gains, but they weren't consistent. Kelly the person like me that was plain ignorant versus or even the person 18:19 that skeptical that saying, you know what you guys you guys do put too much crap in there. I what plant growth regulator what what benefits is a plant growth 18:28 regulator do so answer the skeptic or answer the person like me that didn't even know for sure what this is all about until a couple of years ago. 18:35 You know radiate as a pgr pgrs, or to make the plant grow more efficiently the greatest explanation I ever heard of a pgr. Is that 18:44 your NP and Kate are like your factory workers and the pgr is the formant if all the workers show up in the factory one day and the foreman 18:54 don't the work's going to get done but not a very efficient manner, you know in the plant would be the factory obviously now when 19:00 you when you put the pgr when you put the hormones in there the work is done more efficiently the plan produces some of the hormones on their own but we we're supplementing 19:09 these hormones to to achieve even greater efficiency and radiate does a great job of that. 19:18 You know, I think that the two ounce rate of radiate at least here where I live is four and a half or five dollars an acre. So we're gonna go from four and a half or five to obviously 19:27 nine or ten if we double it to the four ounce rate, but Dr. Heiniger's research the lowest response. He 19:33 had was eight Bush only average 10 to 12. You know, I think right now December corn is about Five Sixty on the board if I get 10 bushel, 19:42 and you know, let's let's just talk a zero basis if I can get 10 bushel, that's $56 for 10 bucks. Right? I always say that I I need 19:51 to get a three to one return. That's a five point six to one return. It's an absolutely corns down 19:57 to 560. I've been paying attention Corners down to five 60 new crop new crop corn is 560 only live on Five Sixty corn. We need seven but we 20:06 need that's why we need radiating the returns. We're gonna get when you 20:13 with seven help for having so much money if it's only 560 a bush. I've been I understand. 20:19 I've been here as hell about seven dollar corn and fifteen dollar soybeans. I'm afraid I'm have to take some of my words back. Well, maybe or a pay cut. I'm not sure one of the two all of 20:28 the above. All right, it's me this by the way, Kevin because we're having fun here. Plant growth regulator that you put in for and it's not the only 20:37 one by the way and so granted we're talking about radiation you've used other pgr and you swear by. I 20:43 mean, like I said, I don't even know what they were until I met Kelly here and Kevin you would say there's absolutely a place for these things, right? 20:49 yeah, and and let's be clear I mean I'm not gonna sit here and say every pgr is a good pgr. I strongly encourage everybody to do research and test 21:00 on our farm to make sure that it's going to work. Especially if it's you know, there's a lot of pgr out there that we have not tested and but the ones that we've tested 21:09 most of them has had really good responses in the ones that we talked about it and ones that we actually can no doubt be safe on our farm when 21:18 it becomes a grower standard practice on my Farmer Kelly's or yeah or any of ours with extreme mag. We 21:24 you know, we're going to spend it kind of money. We're pretty confident. We're gonna make some money that's good. We're not we don't need 21:30 to add nothing else in there. We got plenty of work. So answer me this at time of planting you use this product this pgr and goes in for a 21:39 corn and soy Yes, sir. And by the way every acre. Yeah, right. Everything is no we do have to pull it out and get some checks without it. 21:50 So yeah, right, right. So really hard to do I tell you Damon after you know that you're gonna make money with something and they tell you we want to check 21:59 without it on your farm and you're like but I'm gonna lose 50 dollars a year do it, right? Yeah. I I 22:05 don't I get that you need controls. But also I like the fact that this thing makes me money. Hey, it's the only pgr you're putting down at time planning. 22:15 For me you yes. Okay. So this is the only one and then you do and then we're not really talking about because this is at time planning. You also hit your crops Kelly 22:24 with this radiate again. Yeah at post cam we will so radiate the hormones that are in radiate or for the vegetate, you 22:34 know for inferral and then the vegetative growth of your of your crops. And then there would be a another pgr that we would use a fungicide time 22:43 for Reproductive radiate is not for Reproductive. It is for vegetating. Okay, you really need to know? 22:50 That the right pgr because not all physios are the same and what Kelly the key is Kelly said and you heard me say it earlier vegetative 22:59 time and yeah vegetative pgr and you got reproductive pgr, and it's very very important that you do not mix them up. 23:08 You can have some you can have a real bad day. So that growth regulator is effective. You've you've now accepted it you it's part of your standard practice, but 23:17 only during vegetative growth phase of both plants corner, right? Okay. All right, one of the things we're looking Beyond fertility 23:26 at that time of planning in other words fertility is important and in case you're not a member we did a webinar about 23:32 what's in our two by two and so we we go about this if you come out of the classic we were in the Nature's booth for instance, and we talked about critical times 23:41 of influence meaning fertility. So again, it's not the fertility doesn't matter. It's critical obviously and we talked about targeting critical times of influences one of our big subjects. 23:50 commodity classic but we're talking now what Beyond fertility? Okay, let's assume we got fertility handled. It's kind of like, all right got that done. Now what? 24:00 Seed treatment you swear by it and I'm gonna go out and throw it out there to Kevin. Do I need seed treatment as badly in Northern Indiana as I need 24:10 it in your part of the world. I don't have the kind of humidity. I don't have the same kind of pests. I don't have threats. Do I need seed 24:16 treatment as badly as you need it. Do I need it at all? Well, I'm not formed in Northern Indiana sadly premature to say that my good feeling. Yes you do but to 24:26 be clear until I you know, I've not formed in that area. I like it on every acre everywhere, you know the top the plot trials 24:35 that we've done in South Dakota. We treated seed we had good results here in the Carolinas and other areas in the Stream magners. 24:44 We have really good results. Absolutely. The one thing on soybeans we treat our own we do we have 24:53 a commercial treat her and that gives us flexibility to play and play with rates and diamonds and 24:59 and also, you know, some of these treatments has got yourself wipes on Damian so you got really know what you're doing with now we do like to inoculate 25:08 our soybeans and and you know growing up I was always tall and soybeans have been great there in the last two years three years. You don't 25:17 need to inoculate they'll be fine without it. And that was okay at 20 to 30 bushel soybeans, but these your levels were at now. I feel like we really need to 25:26 have those soybeans inoculated. And so what we've used for many years, I guess ever since probably 25:37 15 years now. Actually, that's what drove us to getting the commercial treaters was because we've done with a brush over before and just to spray nozzle is 25:46 kind of rig, but hey, it worked but we will use a product it started out originally a dinosaur and it is a 25:55 combination product and then as times evolved and we wanted more stuff in there is this year's brand new 26:04 product dinosaur three people plus it's got three modes action plus some other ingredients in it. That works. Well, it's got your not going 26:14 in there. It's got a 90-day shelf life on it. So that's really nice that you can treat your beans ahead of planting. If you don't have a treat and you 26:23 need to get someone else to treat it for you. You can get full bang for your buck there. We treat them pretty much 26:29 the week before we use them. Sometimes a couple days before we use them and but it also has a 26:35 you know as a A doctor it has the fungicide on it and it also has a and second and second side on it. So it's got 26:47 kind of a triple tree there you get everything in one and you know, we're putting other ingredients in there as well. But that is that's one of our main components that 26:56 we put in there and we'll add a heavy dose of fungicide in there as well. To encaps like that seed and then we also 27:05 are really curious. Some are careful. I should see it be the best word is making sure we got a good even seed 27:14 coat around there. When we paint that around we want it real nice and pretty like your painting them. Yeah painting the car you want a nice shine. You don't want a bunch 27:23 of bubbles in it, and then we will We also put a product in there. It's a shine product. It's 27:32 kind of like a power and it helps shine it up and what that slickness does is helps us in our higher immediatives. To allow the product to flow through 27:42 your central commodity tubes and we also have a polymer in there to help slick it up. We our goal. You don't want that seed to be sticky or 27:51 rough and especially corn or soybeans with these Central commodity Planters. I can't tell you how many times we've all probably had to get out and shake a 28:00 hose or a tube or a bit more blow too good and getting at really good seed treatment and getting all those products on really makes a big 28:09 difference and some of these products when you treat them. They actually don't quote those Central commodity teams good. You 28:15 just can't get them smooth enough and they get kind of sticky. And we've not had that problem with the the 28:21 dinosaur products with that's never been an issue for us. So but I will tell you you made 28:30 the statement earlier putting crap out there. You need to know which way the winds blowing and get up wind when you go to open some 28:41 of the ingredients to pour it all in there because I really do believe there is some crap in there. Alright, so dinosaur, it's the sticks. Hey, 28:50 by the way only on soybeans. Yes, dinosaur. We use on soybeans only that question for you Kelly when I say I 28:58 mean I compare it to where I live. This is where you are matter whether or not you should treat your soybeans. Does it matter 29:04 do you treat all yours? No, I I think you should treat I think everybody should treat their soybeans what matters where you live is what disease or 29:10 what insects but yes you have, you know, you might want to alter the alter the treatment a little bit but everybody should probably treat Kevin talked 29:19 about this stuff having a biological component to it. Therefore shelf life. We got into this some of the stuff we've even trialed it might 29:25 have been dead by the time it got to it's Dead on Arrival. So leave that we've had some issues with this. 29:32 Do you use a of to use a seed treatment that has a biological component to it? Yes, so it's important that the shelf 29:39 life is important. Okay. So in 90 days a big deal, all right, and then we always talk about compatibility. This is kind of a silly question. So we're not talking about tank mixing. But is there ever either 29:48 of you guys is there ever compatibility issue with a seed treatment that then somehow it doesn't work play. Well with something else 29:57 that you're putting in fro can that be an issue? Yes, he understood so Kevin what he got? Yes. You've got to be very careful. 30:07 You know. Sometimes zinc can be a problem other. Zinc's probably one of the harder ones to get to play with other stuff when you're treating. 30:19 But absolutely you just you kind of need to be careful when you're putting all up together because you you never want to make cottage cheese in 30:28 it. Okay might have to get more evans's new mixer. He's got that really is that business you Kelly. I like the fact 30:37 that about how if you ever saw your listener the text dream about the extreme ad guys about every third day you can count on what looks like an unmitigated disaster 30:46 coming out of Crawford County, Iowa. When I first joined these guys is the ABS. Actually they started me off like it's like starting off with the biggest one. 30:55 Usually it's like a for a Polaris Ranger is like got a fence post through the radiator and it's also like in the bottom of a creek or there's a 31:04 cow that's hooked to the you know, the the planter I swear to God, it's always something the favorite one was when the tanker truck 31:13 The Hired Man started pumping out the tanker truck, but didn't let it air get to it and it sucked. Sound like like if you squeezed everything out of 31:22 a shampoo bottle that was one of my favorite ones that I ever saw. I'm like dear God they need somebody supervised at this place. So anyway, 31:28 speaking of unmitigated disasters. Have you ever had any unmitigated disasters with seed treatment not playing 31:35 well with something and it's like wow those big lesson. No, because we hire that done so we have people that are supervised. Well, you hired you hired your tanker tanker 31:44 pumper outer guy also, and he sucked it exactly right. That's true. That's true. That was an employee though. I'm talking an outside contract. I didn't 31:53 know every day when the milk truck pulled into the the farm. I was raised on I didn't even ever think about the idea you could crush that no tanker like an aluminum 32:02 can if you have enough incompetence, I didn't know that until I see amazing. So the picture from 32:09 your guys. All right, we kind of covered a bunch of things that are Beyond fertility at time of planting we talked about three projects or 32:15 anything else. Kevin wrap us up get us out of here at town planning beyond for too anything that we didn't talk about that the listener can benefit from at 32:24 time of planning. Yeah, so so Kelly made the statement there that he uses someone else to treat a seed and that's a great thing to do. But one 32:35 thing I have learned is how important when you're putting just milliliters per hundred weight of seed in getting to 32:46 ounces Take your time and go down and visit the guy treating your seed and see what quality a job they're doing for 32:54 you because it can look pretty it can have the paint coat on it. And it's the right purple color the pink color green color, whatever dye they got in there, but if 33:05 Just go check it and make sure that you're getting what you are. Most of them are really really good. But if they take pride in treating 33:14 their seed, they'll do a better job with those big Traders and you can with a home remedy and all her like I used to do on the back of a truck and but it's 33:23 it's great when you got a good company it can do it for you. But you know pay attention. It's important to get 33:29 it right tell me looking and I hope that he doesn't take it personally, you know, Kevin I I was I hope that killer 33:35 didn't take it personally when I talk about unmitigated disasters every third day on your text dream. I'm like, how can these guys 33:41 they screwed this up and I'm telling you I don't take it personal. 33:45 You know. I was It's been kind of aggravating and had two planners wouldn't run this week. And it's just you know, they never near John Deere and other companies 33:56 was never ever seen this problem for it's always on my farm. But then when I see cheese going out on the camera with the 34:05 four wheeler and the was it a camp in the in the wagon behind it. It was a little calf cart. Yes. It came on. Hope you and the calf 34:14 and the car this goes an outruns the four wheeler and there's some and there's some like old movie or like the sidecar the motorcycle keeps going in the motorcycle 34:23 turns. Is like straight out of an older? All right real quickly Kelly Beyond fertility at 34:30 time planning. Is there anything we missed? Well, I would just like to add. The quality of product or how important I think a quite 34:38 a product like radiate is one question at extreme AG that we don't like is what is one product we should use I I don't like 34:47 that none of us like that because we want it. We always talk about a systems approach. Yeah. However, if you have a grower that insists on what's one product I can try 34:56 to just get started on a higher yield Journey. If you will hire management Journey my go to answer always is radiate because it's 35:05 tried and true. It's not gonna let you down. You know, I know here we're talking about it infer which is very important but spring radiate and at 35:14 postcam time on soybeans it's a guaranteed win. And so that you know radiate is one of the best products I've ever seen it's tried and true on our 35:23 farm. It's tried to everywhere and that that's just I wanted to just State how important I thought it was. That's a good way to get us out of here frankly because you just 35:32 said that question that I've heard you guys asked. Test it when we're doing plant panels at egg PhD when we're doing field days at your you guys Farms. What's one 35:41 thing? It's like well really, there's not one thing you should be doing a bunch of things a system, but it can be overwhelming which is why they asked 35:47 that question for Simplicity that can be overwhelming. So that's a good answer right there other girl leave it at 35:53 that we talked about looking Beyond fertility at time of planting as always. There's so much to be discovered. We 35:59 have hundreds literally hundreds of videos. I've recorded like 200 of these kinds of things on site in person and Via Zoom. 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