00:00 talking to Kevin Matthews one of the original founders of extreme AG about what he did, right what he did wrong in 00:06 2022 and then the lessons he's going to extrapolate from all those Done right done wrong scenarios in 2022 and 00:15 put them into 2023 for greater success. We'll talk about the crop mix the Machinery decisions the practices 00:21 and of course the products. Welcome to extreme ads cutting the curved podcast where you get a guaranteed return 00:31 on investment of your time as we cut your learning curve with the information. You can apply to your farming operation immediately 00:37 extreme egg. We've already made the mistakes. So you don't have to managing your Farms Water Resources is a critical component to 00:47 a successful and sustainable farming operation Advanced Drainage Systems helps Farmers, just like you increase their yields up to 30% with their 00:56 technologically advanced Water Management products visit ads pipe.com to see how they can keep your business flowing. 01:05 Now here's your host Damien Mason. Hey there, welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ice cutting the curve. It's one of those things where a smart person gets to 01:15 the end of the year. I'm recording this right now at Christmas time and says, hey, welcome back here what we do, right 01:21 what we do wrong. It's kind of a celebratory thing. It's kind of a self critique if you will and it's 01:27 also how can we improve next year? So I like to do this myself with my own business. I'm sure you do too Kevin. 01:33 What what do you look at 22 and say man nailed that one nailed that one pretty happy about that gonna do that again. What's the what's your got it, right 2022 01:43 ourselves, I don't know I I guess the biggest thing is. Not doing what we've always done. We you know, we moved into the desiccation more and 01:53 more with our soybeans. and that just feeds us up about four weeks getting that crop out of the field. 02:00 And being able to dodge, you know, we had in long range forecast and and we are we're you know that forecast things we're doing 02:09 right we're listening more investing more money in good forecast guys to help us. 02:17 Try to make educated decisions on when we're going to plant this field when we're going to harvest this field what you know, what's going to happen when we 02:26 go on reproduction things that we normally didn't think about 10 years ago, you know focusing on 02:32 because you know, the weatherman's always right. He's you know, 80% Chance is going to rain if it don't rain. Well I was 20% right but so 02:39 you get has that I want to invest money in that but it can really be rewarding and for us this year. We had a nine inch rain in may we partner 02:51 the planters? I'm really hard sitting there today when conditions was perfect. But if we 02:59 had a partner Planters when we seventy five acres earlier, we would not had to replant that 75 Acres. You mean you parked ahead of the storm ahead of the storm, which is 03:09 very difficult to do. I mean, yeah because there's mostly it's in your brain if you're a farmer. 03:15 I got to get that you're running you're running a hundred miles an hour. Like I'm gonna get this field Plan before the storms come and 03:21 reality is yeah planting right into a big storm usually ends up not being a big return for you anyway, right? Yeah, it's bad, especially and in our 03:30 River bottoms and Really? We need that corn to emerge before it gets the first rain on it to get. I mean, 03:38 it's like your first box and you check it. Just when you get that perfect emergence when you get a rain and there's gonna be Pockets that water stands, even 03:47 though we've got land planes and we run tile and put our ads tile in and different things of that nature and 03:55 We love that but you're still gonna have in pocket. So, you know focusing on that forecast then same way, you know 04:04 this fall coming in. It's hot like about the third week in November is gonna set in rain and I will tell you though. We got done harvesting 04:13 soybeans November night traditionally in our area. Most people want to be done by Thanksgiving. They feel like a favorite achieve that they're right on time. 04:22 So we almost could have got done October 31st had I made different decisions. That's some of the things I've done wrong that I want to dress today. All right, 04:34 forget you're wrong. Let's stick with the two. You said you're right. We're gonna stick with you when you say you got it, right you 04:40 listen to the weather, like for instance. You part the Planters earlier a day ahead. Yeah, and I'll be like where the hell wasn't 04:49 he still out there? Just planting. You know, what the heck the storm hasn't come yet. What difference does it make and you said because you'd rather have the 04:55 corner. Four against their getting nine inches of rain on top of something was just planted isn't gonna be in a replant. Anyhow, 05:01 right that that's correct. And we need the weather forecast coming on the back side of that Heavy Rain event. We had 05:07 a excellent 21 day window have he and good pretty weather that you're running. Here's the thing everybody her sister 05:16 in farming talks about the weather. What how is it? You think you got it, right. You've always listened to it from the time. You're a little kid you were driving around the truck with your old man. Hey, hey 05:25 be quiet the weather forecast coming on you've been here in the weather forever. What'd you do differently in 2022 when it came to you think you 05:31 just got better data. You got better forecasting. You got better experience. Now, you know some of the things that when you were a young gun, you would 05:40 have not you would have not parked the players what's different? Oh, I respected. I respected the weather man this time all the 05:47 other times and you start playing and you don't stop to get rained out well to our guys do over guys Lee and Kelly actually pay an Ann. 05:55 Little subscription to a guy that's really kind of out there weather dude named Simon. Did you do that or did you how'd you go about getting better? 06:04 Whether you're going through our land or at Carolina Farm Credit? They provide us a weather guy 06:10 that we get to use and then I'll if something don't seem right from what he's saying. I'll call Lee and Kelly and say is this sounding right but 06:19 I will tell you I'm leaning more and more towards going the same route those guys have I've seen the value in it. You just put 06:25 a finger breaker and I think it's something we're really going to have to invest in if you don't think it's important. Look what 06:31 nutrient did they hired Eric's not restful time. I mean, they're a crop input company and they got a meteorologist working for them full-time and that's 06:40 so they can see these Trends in Eric is one of the guys that since the stuff to me. I get it every day. I get a report and it's 06:46 pretty interesting that we're watching Argentina right now. We're watching sometimes by the way, it's not grass the friend of mine. He's been on my business of Agriculture podcast we cross pass. 06:55 Least once a year speaking engagement is your friend. I mean What you sure, he's your friend. Come on. Okay, 07:02 so it's not grass also sometimes when he sends out his emails. It's like just it's funny stuff. Like he put He likes to put out videos that kind of are shocking 07:11 and all that but wait, you're right. It is important on the weather stuff and I like not dressed the weather though you now 07:17 you think we're getting better data than maybe when we were kids, you know driving around listening to it on the am Farm news, but you're you're 07:26 acting a little bit better now and yeah hurricanes own and I want to bring that back to your other thing you did right about desiccation, but before we get into that, 07:35 do you think the weather impacts you more? economically hard than it does say somebody in the Midwest. 07:47 Just formed in the midwest. I don't say you got the hurricane. You got the hurricane effect and that those kinds of things that you know, we get 07:56 to high heat. So we're you know, we're trying to avoid hurricanes on the back side. Towards harvest season when we're planting. We're 08:04 trying to avoid those. Real high heat periods. When our corn goes in pollination, then we're also focusing on you know, 08:12 what weather patterns are going to create cloudier weather so that we don't get good solar radiation or soybean plants during 08:21 the reproductive season. It's really become a science when you you know, when you're when you're happy growing 40 Bush will beans and 08:30 12550 bullets of corn last one thing but when you're trying to average, you know, 70 to 80 bushel, Acre Farm 08:39 averages, you know, we as it's 71 bushels on our soybeans this year, which was a record Farm average. And that's over about Damien. I 08:49 think probably a hundred and eighty Fields small Fields approximately approximately. 08:57 Less than 10 acres and most of those fields. So we got a lot of Border effects out in the field off of that outside realm we're cutting. 09:06 And tremendous amounts of 80 to 95 bushel soybeans Hunter bushel soybeans to get a 70 bushfilt average because you 09:15 got a zero where the wildlife feed on the outside sometimes. But yes, you know 09:22 we're looking at that. There's just so many variables then we go to harvest season and even 09:28 with the best forecasters out there we can go and have a beautiful four week forecast and in ten days 09:37 later have a hurricane coming in almost that you wasn't prepared for you wouldn't expect and and the wind is tough. 09:43 But what really gets us where to Foothills Appalachian Mountains. So we get all the runoff and this River Valley. So the flooding is what gets to 09:52 be very bad, but on the flip side, you know, the Midwest they've got their weather challenges is well. We you know, 10:01 we got we kind of got everything here, I guess except for the well, we're getting an Arctic Blast coming in. So I guess we're going to get to deal with that but it's 10:10 you know, it'll be gone. Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna get some some hardcore. Okay. So one of the things you do right 2022 is 10:16 you adhere to whether Um advice better and made some decisions that might have not been decision. You'd have made 20 years ago about when to pull off of something whatever another 10:28 thing you did, right? You've been desiccating soybeans. I've been hearing more about desiccation of soybeans since I came apart of extreme AG then I ever had previous to 10:37 that but it's because kind of a new thing Kelly now swears by you're into it the point here is for 10:43 you you go out and spray them off. You're not losing yield because they're already they're already at Peak, you know, they're done. It's just that they're not dried down and so 10:52 explain what why that's something you think you did right first off how you do it and why you think that's a decision you made right in 2020? 11:00 Well our goals get to a soybeans out as quick as possible and minimize we want as excellent grain qualities we 11:09 can so we want to minimize damage. So what we do is once that being as physically mature in it, it's 11:17 and only thing left is dry down and that's going to occur first in the top third of the plant and what happens in our human 11:26 and what happens in our human environment see is that top third of the plant will dry first and then it 11:34 takes several weeks for the bottom to get down dry. It just is a slow process and when you go in and desiccate you make it all happen at all the time. 11:42 so then you know, you can spray products on and dedicate that plant. 11:49 12 days later you can go in and harvest. That's really important. The the one thing that we done was we would 11:58 have two machines picking corn and one cutting soybeans and would spray enough for that machine each day and looking back 12:08 we've seen how rapidly the beans were starting to mature. So we stepped it up and this time to spray or lose we 12:14 do ours with the ground rig Damian because we've all we got small fields and a lot of a lot of power lines and houses and obstacles. We've already 12:23 got the tracks in the fields. We're running in the same track. We've been spraying all season long or not really creating much 12:29 more we pick up about six bushels to seven bushels by doing that versus leaving it in the field. But then the key thing is we're four weeks 12:38 ahead. We it basically moves our harvested four weeks versus it. We let it do it natural process. Fertility 101. Did you 12:48 know that corn stalks retain up to 80% of potassium 40% of the phosphorus and 30% of the nitrogen that you applied to last year's corn crop. Hey, it's 12:57 me extreme AGS at Damian Mason host of cutting the curve and I want to help you save money and boost your yields, you know, you can do that extract last year's 13:06 fertility for this year's crop, you know that by applying extract powered by accomplished to your surface crop residue you'll do just that you can 13:15 get extract from your nearest nutrient AG Solutions retailer for more information contact your local nutrient Ang Solutions crop consultant. 13:25 All right. So wait a minute. I know that the advantage of desiccation of soybeans Kevin is it buys you time and 13:31 it critically important for you if you think hurricanes are gonna come in and make it so you can't Harvest if you buy three four weeks by nuking 13:37 your soybeans, then you get in there and combine them that's critical. That's the difference between maybe not even getting a crop out. You just said you also picked up yield that seems 13:46 counterintuitive to me if you're terminating a plant before it terminates. Naturally. It doesn't seem like that would also make you yield explain. 13:56 Well, the soybean is it is a similar to wheat a lot of people understand weed if it gets if it ever gets dry one time and gets wet 14:05 again, it loses quality and test weight. So we've been losing it as well every time it swells and shrinks. It's losing 14:11 quality. It may not be that obvious at first, but we just got done harvesting for our neighbor yesterday December 21st. I mean, it is rained 14:20 here since the second week of November constantly. They still at tremendous amount of soybeans in the field right now that farmers are trying to get out. 14:29 And so when we finished in November tonight cutting soybeans, we was averaging anywhere from 58 and a half to 62 pounds 14:38 on our test weight. Now those soybeans coming in are struggling in in the low 50s to 54 pounds. 14:47 That's one area. Another thing you pick it up on Damien is you're not having any shattering. We have so much Wildlife here. We're not having 14:56 the Pod shatter and you're getting a very healthy Bean. It stores better. It's got a better oil content. It's just not being out in 15:05 the weather. Well, so we talked about you said Wildlife, which is one who didn't think about so you're talking about Wildlife damage getting 15:11 it out getting it harvested sooner prevents Wildlife damage shatter getting it out 15:17 sooner or prevents shatter and that's it could be a couple bushels an acre, right? We're just into the person that doesn't grow soybeans. I 15:23 know what shatter is from riding in my friends combine shatter means it blows up, right? I mean, 15:31 it's, you know, you're going across you're going to cross the combine and they're hitting the windshield of the combine and it 15:37 means damn it. That means they're not getting in the hopper and then the other He says about test weight. That's one that most people wouldn't have thought of. 15:43 So the issue is if you didn't desiccate and then that story being plant terminated naturally toward the end it would begin to 15:52 go through that thing. You're fall starts to get it to where then you're talking about. The weather would make it so that that plant 15:58 goes through some absorption some dry down some absorptions and It eventually degrades it to where? 16:06 You lose some value. Yeah lose the quality and Diamond you got to remember that going back earlier in the podcast that plant 16:15 matures from the top down so that top third of that plan is going to mature first. It's still dry down first. So in a natural drive down 16:24 process these this top so, you know 33% of your grain out. There is ready to harvest it, but then 16:33 it's got to sit there for two or three weeks waiting on the other places percent. So what happens is this top third at 33% 16:43 the quality goes down in it, but yet the quality is perfect down low, but then he makes then and that's why in my 16:52 opinion. I feel like that's why we see so many 55 56 pound test. Wait, so it means is we're leaving them in there. Now the guys in the 17:01 Delta mat and they've been doing this for years and they they got it to an art. 17:07 So that's okay. They've been doing it. He's saying that guys like mad about doing 55 bushel pound bushel beans or they've been doing no. No, they're doing better than that. 17:16 I mean those guys do a phenomenal job and they're made it but here's hurdle they have to do with 17:23 If they they are so hot and humid there they have to be very careful when they're harvesting because they'll desiccate those beans and get ready 17:32 and then a front comes in on them or low pressure system and it gets cloudy and damp and humid. They can't cut the beans and the soybeans are 17:41 sitting there and they think during the soil they're ready to sprout. Yeah next thing. You know, they got Sprout damage to do it. We're a 17:47 little further north we can have that issue on our early early season desiccations as well. 17:53 So we had to watch out weather forecast, but at the end of the day when you start getting these colder environments Kelly's doing it a lot more now in Illinois, excuse 18:02 me, but the more cooler you are nice the cooler your days are the actually the better this is going to work because you don't have to worry about that sprouting 18:14 as bad as you do in the gas down south. Yeah. I mean, it's a completely when Matt was talking about. Of course, it would be better to you know, get your beans out. 18:23 For this hurricane system comes in because now these things they're out here just getting waterlogged and thinking it's time to grow. So 18:29 two things you got right in 2022 is dedication of soybeans and and you're gonna do more of that in 23 and then the weather being 18:38 much more. Well first off getting better weather data, and then also applying it. It's one 18:44 thing to say. Yeah. I knew it was gonna happen, but you actually applying it. So those two things would you get wrong? 18:49 the one of the things we've done wrong this year looking back we 18:55 we took and we're going to talk about the destination site only this. Ironically as good as it was we did make 19:03 some mistakes. So what we done we typically are always keeping combines picking corn. We won't stop because 19:12 of the hurricanes on the corn and then we cut soybeans but vampires such a 19:19 Issue anymore truck drivers issue trying to get the logistics everything working. Yeah, so we ended up, you know, we had a big dryer fire at our 19:28 main location here right at the beginning of Corn Harvest. So we had to haul the corn down to our Eastern facility drive there 19:37 then all it back to our western side and for storage and it becomes such a big deal, but we actually learned from it. So 19:47 we pulled off for 10 days and put all the combine on soybeans. Because I was getting ready to really fast. 19:56 and Some natural dry down some with the desiccation and basically the one combine wasn't keeping up at the end of the day, but when 20:06 we put that whole Manpower together, and this is something simple, but you still you get focused on how you've always done it and that Hurricane Alley you don't want to stop on that corn 20:15 in those River bottoms. Yeah, but the moisture was high on the corn, so we pulled in we put all the machines on there and we cut over a 20:24 thousand acres. I'm just a couple days and then pulled the combine back off and went back to Corn but looking back. 20:33 I think our better. results would be go in at the beginning and spray as hard as we can spray on 20:43 our destination. And the minute they get ready for all the machines off keep our whole Fleet together instead 20:51 of running multiple Crews and put everybody on there and focus and knock the soybeans out and then go straight back to the corn. Let it 21:00 dry down a little bit more in the field that's less propane less dry gas less Freight hauling back and forth 21:06 and then go back and put the machines in there and cut a little bushels of corn just really looking back. It's agriculture has 21:16 come down to the science. Now, you're really managing your time your your people your fish see 21:22 your equipment and we can't get enough help to do everything. Right? So that is to me. I made a mistake. 21:31 Not putting all those machines on that soybean sooner had I done that. I think we had got done about nine days earlier on the soybeans and probably four 21:40 days over there on the corn. So a global Harvest cut earlier with a good drop when I asked you what we did wrong. And by 21:51 the way, most people never admit it and I like it. I like it the fact that our extreme act guys and if I 21:57 ask them and I do this a lot and say, okay, what would you get wrong on this? 22:01 You only learn if you can admit and it's not like it was a terrible mistake. It's not like you did something because you were lazy or just didn't do the research. It's just you made a decision and it 22:10 turns out a decision that you could have maybe improved upon next year. We're talking about Manpower. We're talking about dual and 22:18 energy and we're also talk about some timing. So I guess what I'm hearing is you're going to next year stay with 22:24 desiccating all the soybeans and just keeping you on that and you're not gonna then go from so corn beans and corn back 22:33 and forth and you're not gonna divide your crowd. So it's a matter of how you are going to improve upon that next year go through it again 22:39 what you're going to do next year. Those are goal. We got one trump card in here that we got to be careful of is if there's 22:46 a hurricane floating then we may have to say Okay, the soil Advantage will have to stand in the field. We got to go get this out of the river bottoms. 22:53 So that's the trump card that we have to manage. This is something in our environment we have to do that's traditionally why there's no one would ever take it off. But what 23:02 we look at Damian is the fact that you go Is how many acres a day how many bushels a day you can Harvest and what's the best methodology to get 23:14 that done? And that's where we're going to be focused more. Okay. Anything else 23:20 that you think that you got wrong? And by the way the labor part of it's tough because you'd say did you get it wrong? I'm not sure you could I'm not sure what you do about that everybody or sister 23:29 out here has a hard time getting Manpower but anything you got wrong that you think yeah, I'm gonna change that next year besides this whole timing and management of 23:38 harvest and people yeah, we're actually so we've been looking at your maps and trying to see more our biggest field law 23:47 say is what's Costless the most money and it's very obvious our outside rounds and we've been we've been trying to go around these woodlines and 23:57 rip around the edges and and do it with a three-point Ripper and so We're losing that first. We're already laying 24:06 off the field edges, you know, 15 20 feet because there's no point playing it ain't gonna make no money with it. The trees are gonna suck it up while I still eat it. It's just wasting money, 24:15 but we got so many small Fields. We've actually went in and bought a dispripper and then a big 94.60r tractor 24:25 460 horsepower April articulated and we'll pull out this Ripper. We'll go around the outside of all these fields and 24:36 Then we have to take a skid steer when Damon we pull so many roots up. It's unreal. It's like a dump truck full of roots. And so we'll get them pushed out of the field. But we're 24:45 focusing on the things that cost us the most yield and we go back and look and say okay what areas that we've been doing wrong and we 24:54 haven't been focusing on those field borders. We keep wanting to raise the yield and grow a bigger yield a bigger yield everywhere. But at the bottom line, what's the 25:03 most Acres we Farm that's Costless the most money and what we've identified looking at this fall. We've always noted but this year. Okay, let's just drill into it 25:12 and see what kind of percentage we're losing with this and and so you got the same expense around the edges and half the crap. 25:21 Yeah. Yeah, that's half the crop and that's your largest Acres when you got multiple Fields, you're outside around your biggest Acres of the field. 25:30 And so we're focusing on that and it's you know friend of mine once said, you know instead of trying to make everything 50% better. 25:40 Listen through five ten percent every year on something. Yeah. Yeah, when people want to make he's huge huge changes, like, you know, it'd be a lot easier and more 25:49 attainable to do a 5% Improvement each year for 10 years and a 50% change and one year. So when you talk about your one 25:55 of your things you didn't really get wrong but something you're gonna change next year because those edges so you can hack them back. 26:02 Um your hacking back the stuff so you don't have to grow in and you're doing that. But yeah, man, I got lazy. I mean 26:08 I got lazy I just didn't. You know, it was too much. Trail let's face it man. We had to talk about if you were 14 dollar beans seven dollar corn. 26:19 Yeah, of course, you got lazy. It's easy. All right, so anything else on the maybe wrong or not? Not 26:25 necessarily ideal this year that you think I'm gonna improve on that next year. I got managing the the crew and the time of harvest and 26:34 using desiccation to help with that and I got their field edges anything else. 26:39 Sure, they are if you ask my daughter some of them around here. No, but it's we we really Damian. I'm 26:48 very open with my guys and my staff and I surround myself a very smart people and that really helps because I'm not the smartest one in the in the 26:59 crowd and I listen to them and I glean from them and then my my honors and and the members of extreme AG the 27:08 questions that we get in. I learned so much from those questions and it makes me stand back and look at things differently. Yeah. 27:16 so it's I know I've made a lot of mistakes. I'm sure I have the key is identifying those mistakes so that you can improve upon the future and sometimes it takes someone 27:27 else to look at it to identify. But you know, we we locked in all of our interest rates that we 27:35 might need during these load times. Now, the rates has went up. So we feel like we're done a good job there. You know, there's just so many viral variables. The the one 27:46 thing we struggle with here is locking in fuel prices. We couldn't we we paid one load of Highway Fuel. I pay five dollars and 60 Cent a gallon. 27:56 for that tanker load and that's just it just floored me to pay that much money, but Yeah, Dad. Yeah, and yeah, so so you 28:06 can't see that you didn't wrong there. Everybody got everybody got it gets whacked by the high fuel prices the thing that you could maybe 28:12 look at. Is there a way to buy it better or give yourself more time, but the tough part is a lot of people got caught a squeeze on that in 2022. All right, it's over 28:21 nothing you drop. I'll say that. All right, there's something you're gonna need you. Oh, it's not tell you if I done right? So this this episode will be releasing 28:30 an early 2023 and then by then the listener can know that you probably did sell some new. Crop. What are you most looking forward to I mean, we're gonna release this early 2023. 28:39 What are you most looking forward to in 2023 your last question? Oh Lord. That's a good one. 28:46 Hey. I just I really enjoy planting that seed and watching it grow. 28:57 And then just the the pleasure of beating my own. I always want to beat my own personal best. That's that that's what I'm looking forward to is 29:07 and when I say that I want to you know, I want to set my highest yield. You know official yield on corn soybeans wheat 29:16 that most importantly that farm average. Yep, and and Roi I mean, I I like to see what I can do to make the most money on 29:25 the farm. And when I do that, then it gives me opportunity to pass some of those profits on to my help and we got to give our ladies and and 29:34 guys a really good Christmas bonus this past year and For the year-end bonus because we we was really blessed and that's that's pretty cool right there. 29:44 You know, I've never got to ride on a bonus for what I wanted to give them. But yeah, it's always a that's that's 29:50 my goal. That's I want to be able to Have a problem figuring out how much money I'm going to write in a Christmas bonus because it's going to be so large and 29:59 causing tax issues there. I like it. So the other part of this is when you look forward to the 2023 and you talk about improving your improving your own 30:08 game. You did okay, and in case you're listening to this and you're saying hey, what are you talking about? The he does pretty good. Any yes, what your yield 30:18 National cornbread Association released all the winners. You were what number one in North Carolina? And what was your National? 30:24 He has number one, North Carolina, but it was terrible yield. I don't see out guys but it was 30:30 first. Well, you know what it still think Kevin. You don't have to outrun the bear. You just have to outrun your buddy that can't outrun you right and it's it's the old 30:39 thing you didn't have to ring the bell for the whole country's had to be there by else, North Carolina. All right, we got 30:45 it. We got some good Growers down here. They they do I the heat really hurt some there is this year on the corn yields? And 30:53 but the farmer has done a real good job and really proud of what all of them in the states do and now and here on the south and Eric, you 31:03 know, every area has got for challenges whether you on a steep hill and Iowa with Kelly or you're 31:08 fighting a flood in the delta or drought in South Dakota ever was a challenge and I tell you Chad. He 31:18 got the heat and drought both this year down here some challenge. All right, his name's Kevin Matthews. He told 31:25 you why he did right in 2022 what he did wrong. He told you more importantly what he's going to do next year and the point here is not to 31:31 be absorb of what Kevin's doing. It's looking at your own operation. What things did you see in his discussion that you 31:37 can apply to your own farming operation? Because that's really the angle here is to help you make a better decision. You 31:43 can profit from in 2023 and it takes it takes big man to say. Yeah, I was wrong about this. I was wrong about that. But here's what we're gonna do to correct it and I think that's what's really cool because we look 31:52 at extreme eggs for him here as a place for Learning and also sharing not just all the home runs but also the strikeouts that 32:01 we had too Kevin. Thanks for being here buddy, you know appreciate it. All right. So next time it's cutting the curve. I'm Damian Mason share this 32:10 with somebody. That's a wrap for this episode of cutting the curve, but there's plenty more check out extremead.farm where 32:19 you can find past episodes instructional videos and articles to help you squeeze more profit out 32:25 of your farm cutting. The curve is brought to you by Advanced Drainage Systems the leader in agriculture Water Management Solutions.