00:00 Just in time, a financial based fertility program for your crops that creates bigger yields and saves you money. 00:05 That's we're covering in this episode of extreme Ag Cutting the Curve. Welcome to Extreme Ag Cutting the Curve podcast, 00:12 where real farmers share real insights and real results to help you improve your farming operation. This episode of Cutting the Curve is brought to you by cloth 00:21 where machines aren't just made. They're made for more with a wide range of tractors, combines, forger and hay tools. 00:29 Cloth is a family business just as driven, demanding, and dedicated as yours. Go to cloth.com 00:34 and start cutting your curve with their cutting edge equipment. And now here's your host, Damien Mason. 00:41 Hey there. Welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ag. Cutting the Curve. I got Tommy 00:44 Roach and Temple Roads on here. Tommy, one of our business partners with Nature's Temple Roads, one of the, uh, big five 00:49 of extreme ag, if you will. Here's the thing. Uh, Temple's changed up his fertility program and he said, Hey, I really think we should share this 00:55 with people because I'm saving money. Uh, Tommy helped me put this together, changed my fertility program. 01:00 I'm putting stuff out there just to feed the plant. A lot of the things we've covered before, you've heard us talk about it at 01:05 Commodity Classic on our panel. You've heard us talk about it on a couple different episodes. 01:08 We're gonna go into the details of how it works and the money behind it on a fertility program that it was specifically set up with lower commodity prices 01:16 to give you big yield and also save you money. So, um, you're kind of excited about this. We've covered, uh, different angles on this 01:23 before with Tommy, um, temple on, uh, how to just put the, we're feeding the plant, not the soil. And that's okay because we're not depleting the soil. 01:34 We're just giving our yield. And you know, even Matt Miles has talked about how, until he really started upping his 01:40 game, he used to be one of those guys. One just flinged out dry fertilizer in the fall or in the spring. 01:44 'cause it was easy. This makes a lot more money, makes a lot more yield, and it's also more environmentally sound. 01:50 You upped your game this year by changing this up, the just in time approach. Talk to me. 01:58 So I, I guess how this all came about last year, if you remember, you and I did multiple podcasts. We did talks in the field about, 02:07 I had a LS damage last year. You know, my plants went really backwards, so I kind of lost all that upfront fertility 02:15 because of a, a, a herbicide damage. So last year I called Tommy, and Tommy walked me through on how to feed that plant, 02:24 you know, through the whole season, which we spoonfeed out here a lot anyway because of the way 02:30 that we have our nutrient management program. So I already have that mindset, right? But I wanted to take it a step more 02:38 because of the, the difference that I made in my corn last year, um, from, uh, losing all that fertility up front 02:47 because of the, you know, my roots basically for the most part, dying and having to feed the plant and not feed, feed it through the soil. 02:56 It changed my way of thinking. So I kind of went to this different program in my head knowing that, and this year, you know, we knew 03:06 that commodity prices were gonna be lower. We knew that, um, fertility was gonna be a little bit lower, but not necessarily a lot lower. 03:14 So back to what you're saying, flinging, you know, I didn't wanna be in that. I call it a blow and grow. 03:20 I know that that's a terrible term, but, you know, a lot of people, uh, you know, they put their fertility out there way ahead of planning 03:28 and then they expect it to all be there at the end. Well, when you figure out that in a plant's lifetime, it only needs certain nutrients at certain times. 03:38 So I went to Tommy and said, look, fertility's high, it's financially not a great thing that to, 03:47 to be fooling with this year. So we need to figure a way to cut it back. Do I want to, um, cut back on fertility? 03:55 No, because we know if you cut fertility, you're gonna lose yield. There's no way around that. 04:00 So you can't really cut fertility. But can I put it in a different place at a different time and still get the same or better benefits than I was before? 04:10 So I went to Tommy and it was me and Tommy and Jason, uh, Worley on a conference call together. So we kind of came up together with, Hey, look, 04:20 these are the times of influence. We're gonna fit 'em in with, you know, whether it's a in furrow, whether it's two by two, 04:26 whether it's a side dress, whether it's a fuller application. And we kind of came up with a really good solid program 04:33 that I was comfortable with. And the reason I needed to be comfortable with it is one, I was used to, you know, 04:40 a completely different way of thinking first. So I needed to get myself past that. But what I wanted to get my head the most wrapped 04:47 around was the financial, um, problem that we're all gonna have this year. It's more about not putting all your money out there 04:57 at one time, right? Spoonfeeding the finance along with spoonfeeding the fertility, because I can make a end crop decision to back off 05:07 or go forward according to how the crop looks, rather than the old way of putting it all out there at one time. 05:13 Having a yield goal of 225 bushel. I'm just throwing that number out there, you know, 225 bushel yield goal for fertilizing for 225, 05:23 having a massive drought and then turn around and then harvest a hundred bushel corn. Yeah, well, that's the worst thing I could ever do. 05:32 So this changes a lot of different things from me. Damien. No, Tim, uh, Tommy, here's the thing. 05:37 Uh, we've covered this several different approaches, but what I like is that he's going to, we're talking about specifically this year, here's where I did, um, 05:45 temple said you can't cut fertility, but you can, because what these guys have already talked about is we've overused nitrogen and it's one 05:51 of Kelly Garrett's favorite subjects. So you can't cut it. It's that you can't cut it completely. And really it's about reapportioning. 05:58 We've, we've harped on that for a reason. Reapportioning the spend rebalancing the applications. This has kind of been your religion for, 06:08 since I think I met you. Um, is it gonna catch on? So we talk about whether it's, we talk about it as reallocation or relocation. 06:19 So you take temple's not in this category because where he's at, he can't put, um, all his, the bulk of his nutrition up front. 06:31 He's got to spoon feed it because Chesapeake Bay, uh, but let's just say you're in, where you're at, Indiana, the typ, the typical practice is to put the vast majority 06:45 of your nutrition out prior to either at planning or prior to. And so what happens if you start going 06:57 through a drought like temple is right now, you can't adjust because you've already spent all your fertility budget. 07:07 You've already put it out there. You just gotta pretty much suck it up and live with it on, Or you, or you have to, you know, Tommy, I don't mean 07:17 to cut in or in that scenario, let's say that you are running into something, you've got all your fertility budget out there, 07:24 it's all out there, and you have a problem that comes up. Yep. You now have to add to your fertility again, 07:31 Right? So there and then, so that would be scenario number two. Scenario number three. Again, you put out 07:40 all your budget upfront. Say you have perfect growing conditions. Well, I want to try to up the ante up my game. 07:51 You've already spent it all. So there's another case that it, it's a better financial decision to, you know, 08:01 you still wanna put some out upfront, whether that's you on a strip till, whether it's on the planter. Yep. But you still want to save some back to adjust your 08:13 in-season fertility needs. Now we can get right down to how different nutrients play with each other. Phosphorus is, is the absolute worst. 08:25 Most people put all their phosphorus out upfront. Well, phosphorus has a bad habit of finding iron, finding aluminum, calcium, magnesium. 08:38 And what happens when that occurs? They tie up, it ties up phosphorus. And we all know based on, you know, 08:47 we've been doing extreme mag fill days and the chart that I walk around and show the, the, the va the big 08:57 phosphorus need is not upfront where most people think it is, it's in the back. And that's why we need to save some, 09:06 One of the best charts, best graphics I've seen in agriculture is in the booklet that he has, that he's giving out at our field days. 09:15 It's really, it's very, it's illustrative. It gives you an absolute understanding once you see it like, oh, this completely now shows me time of growth 09:25 phase of, uh, crop life and the fertile fertility demand. It's, um, made me, it was not as well versed about this 09:33 as you guys, uh, very much understand it. By the way, speaking of field days, if you're listening to this and you have not attended a field day, you should, 09:40 you'll see people like Tommy there on the panel. That's right. He and I just did a panel last week at Matt Miles farm down in McGee, Arkansas. 09:47 Uh, had to keep him separated from agro liquids, Galen beer, uh, who was tight. 09:52 It was tough. It was like, it was like when the, it was like when they do the weigh-ins, uh, at those, uh, uh, those, uh, those mixed martial arts things 10:00 and those guys like are almost ready to fight anyway at the field days. We do cool stuff. 10:05 You'll see some of the practices in, in real time that we're doing. Um, the next one is gonna be August 8th at 10:12 Kevin Matthews farm. And then the last one of our season is at Temple Roads. That's right. My buddy's sitting right here. 10:17 We're gonna be there on August 22nd. I'm gonna be there. Yep. I'm coming. I'm coming my second trip to Maryland 10:23 to his farm and awesome. Uh, it's August 22nd. I want you to be there. You can go to extreme mag.farm and sign up. 10:29 Um, if these, the, these fertility thing, the person that first off, the first reaction is, oh, that's neat for them. 10:37 These guys just won't go there and piddle around. I I don't have time. Well, first off, I think that's a lazy response. 10:43 I don't think the listeners to extreme mag are generally that way. Secondly, I don't know that it's 10:50 that much more time when you're talking about saving that much actual spend. I, I would almost look at it as 10:57 you're making the spend on fertilizer the same, but you're actually using it. Because I think a lot of that stuff 11:02 that gets blown out in in the early season absolutely doesn't get it. It goes into the creek, 11:07 it goes into the drainage tile. I am I right? I I I would agree with a lot of that. You know, I mean, we're sitting out here on low ccs 11:14 and low organic matter. I think that a lot of that does, you know, some of that does happen. 11:19 So we're, we're getting, our efficiency is getting better and I think that's why the crop gets better. 11:24 But, you know, when we first talked about this, and Tommy and I and Jason had this, this talk, what we tried 11:31 to figure out was we went by that, that chart that you just referenced, Damien. And we came up with like, what does 11:39 that crop need in the exact pounds of nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium micronutrients at that time? 11:47 So we added that to a specific time. So I'm already doing in furrow, I'm already doing a two by two. 11:54 I was always doing a side dress. I was always gonna do a foli one foliar pass, and then I'm always gonna do something in the end. 12:01 So I'm not really changing. I'm just, I'm, I was still making those passes. The majority of the farmers out there are gonna make, 12:10 you know, either a tuba two or a, or a, uh, in furrow pass. They're already gonna make, um, some type of side dress pass 12:18 in, in cropping season. So we just tried to change and tweak our fertility to, like, for instance, from the time that of, of emergence to V six 12:32 in a corn plant, it that says that we're trying to determining the rows around that we're gonna, that that plant is gonna have. 12:40 So we needed to maximize the amount of fertility that we drove into that plant from emergence to V six. So we fit that window. 12:50 So we came up with a program that would fit that window, and then we went to the next window 12:56 and then we went to the next window. So we're gonna do it anyway. We're just trying to fit it when that plant needs those 13:05 specific nutrients. All right. So you changed your thing up to just in time, and I call it just in time, which is old manufacturing, 13:12 a manufacturing term for the popularized in the eighties and nineties. Um, is it really just in time? 13:18 Like is it getting to where like Tommy, is he putting it out there like, oh man, if this, if this fertilizer passed didn't happen, uh, 13:24 this plant was not wither. No, it's not really that way, it's just that. But by putting it out there, it is truly, 13:31 when you talk about periods of influence, it's within a week of man, this plant was gonna be based on, its, 13:36 its vegetative, its growth stage. It was getting ready to boom and like, it's like the right meal before game time. 13:46 So what Temple does, and what a lot of people do is they'll, of course they do in season tissue test or SAP test. 13:55 So what this, this whole reallocation relocation topic allows us to do is based on what we see as far as the sap or 14:10 or tissue test, if it says we have a problem, we can address it. Now if, if you go back to our discussion about 14:22 putting everything the vast majority upfront be just because it's easier, that doesn't allow you, uh, well, it allows you if you wanna spend extra money, 14:35 doesn't really allow you to, to, uh, adjust on the fly if you want to call it. And knowing when these points of influence are happening. 14:46 We know nutrient uptake, what's occurring based on growth stage. Uh, all these different, all this knowledge 14:55 that's out there, it allows us to adjust on the fly. And even all this new equipment these days, I mean, I, I don't know how long y drops were came out, 15:08 but used to you could not, there wasn't a way to efficiently place nitrogen and other nutrients like sulfur and potassium 15:21 and boron and, and ic. There was no efficient way to place that in season. 15:30 Look at what we've done on the planter technology on the planter, um, used to, it was just, uh, you know, 15:38 dribble in furrow. But now you've got, you've got 360 waves, you've got furrow jets, you've got all the, all this fancy equipment 15:48 that are much more efficient in how they place fertilizer. So that's just, that's made my life easier. 15:57 It's made temple's life easier and we ought to take advantage of this. What about the, the stuff you're putting on temple? 16:04 Um, did you cut back On nitrogen pounds? Uh, I didn't. Uh, I, I did somewhat. I cut back on nitrogen a little bit 16:16 because I'm placing them at the times of influence. I, I mean, I guess we can't keep saying that enough, but when you look at, like from emergence to V four 16:29 on nitrogen, I only need 11% of my total needs right there in that window. And then that window jumps up from V six to, 16:37 you know, R one. I need about another 50 or 60% of it right there. So that ramps up. 16:45 So I'm not gonna say I've cut back dramatically on anything. I can make decisions like on my dry land corn right now. 16:57 I know what my yield goal is at any given time because of the way that the weather is. And right now, the way that the weather is, 17:05 I look like a hero to my own checkbook this year because of the, what I've done so far. I mean, we're at, you know, on, on er 17:14 or dry land corn, for instance, right now we're at tassel. It's really dry 17:21 and my crop doesn't look any different than any neighbor's crop. It looks good. I've kept an eye on the tissue samples, 17:28 the sap samples we're right where we need to be. Problem is, is we don't have any rain. So that last y drop pass, Damien, 17:37 it got smooth taken out. And then our last, um, application that we would make over the top in our stages, 17:45 I still don't know if we're gonna make that or not. I'm gonna, I'm gonna probably say that that pass won't be made as well, 17:52 but if I was the guy that was gonna put a lot of my nitrogen down up front, I didn't have the option to change my finances. 18:02 The finances were already spent. I have the option to cut that pass out. And that's exactly what we've done here. So. 18:09 Okay. Because you're in a dry year and you think, you know what, um, I don't think that if I put fertilizer out there, it's gonna 18:15 give me the yield to the benefit here is you cut a pass. Yep. Yeah, we've, we've, we've cut that out 18:21 because my yield goal went from, you know, in my head, 200 bushel corn on dry land. Now it's like best obtainable yield goal would be 18:31 140 to 160. So I know that I need to be in that realm. So I, I'm like, okay, well that's not worth putting that extra 40 or 50 pounds out. 18:41 We're not gonna be obtain because there's no way possible that that plant's gonna get to that point. 18:46 Okay. So that's the benefit here that you cut back. Um, the last pass, that's the only one you only cut out The last pass 18:54 I did cut out just the last pass. I mean all the other ones I've made, I mean I, I made the, you know, we did the in furrow, we got that fine tuned. 19:04 We did a pass in, um, in our tuba two, which that was all on our planter. And then we made our foliar pass 19:11 because up till then everything looked very good. Now we put anhydrous on and Dominic's probably gonna cringe when I say anhydrous 19:18 'cause I'm killing biology and everything else, and I should be using as liquid instead. Um, but we use anhydrous, it works very well. 19:26 So there is a, a bulk of, uh, nitrogen fertility that is out there and I'm just not adding anything else. So I, I would say that I cut out a lot more than that 19:41 because when I sat down with Tommy, um, and Jason, when we went over my soil samples, my prior tissue samples, talking in general, you know, 19:52 that's the great thing about having a relationship with companies like nature's. When you're able to have that conversation to be able 19:59 to walk through something like that, we realized that, you know, my base saturation on my K levels, on my potassium for instance, they're very high. 20:08 They're, I've got really great potassium in my soul. So in a year like this year, being able to say, okay, I'm gonna leave my levels in my soil the way that they are. 20:18 I'm not gonna add extra, you know, meated potash for instance, I'm gonna use a product like, you know, bio K, like, uh, I like my particular one to go to is, is kfl Max. 20:32 I like it for multiple reasons because I'm getting a, a humic vic, I'm getting a potassium source in there 20:39 and I'm getting a little bit of sulfur. So I'm utilizing that and putting it in the plant exactly what that plant needs at 20:47 that period of that time and that that crop's life. So again, I've cut back on potassium, you know, dollars for when it needs it, not just flinging it out there 20:59 and putting it out there in my soil. I do not need to add to my bank of fertility on a year, like this year I need to add to the plant 21:06 to get more outta my plant. Period. How many passes in this kind of program? Again, the person that's gonna remember some farm people are 21:15 gonna say, well, I just don't have time for all that. I'm too busy, whatever. And how many passes are we talking about you? 21:21 Did you do something pre then you do something Planting? Yeah, I do. I do, I do anhydrous, I do at planting, 21:28 I do a foliar pass and then I'll do a lead foliar pass. So that's dry land, that's four passes. But in every one of them passes, there's something. 21:36 So my foliar pass, well, your foliar passes. That might be, It could be herbicide along with a herbicide. Exactly. 21:42 That'll be with herbicide, that'll be with insecticide. In my case, a lot of times I'll have a fungicide in there. Yep. Um, so all of those passes fit in 21:54 where I'm already gonna ride anyway. Yep. Tommy, uh, your answer to the person that comes along and, and, uh, you know, you and I are standing there 22:03 and they say, yeah, this works for Temple. I'm just being the, the, uh, you know, the skeptic here, that won't work for me. 22:10 Farmers like to pretend that that won't work for me. I've had it. That might work where you are. That's, that's one I always hear at ag conferences. 22:17 They can't do that. Where I, you can't do that where I am. And sometimes it's like 22:22 a different township within the same county. Well, you can't do that here. It won't work here. So anyway, what's the answer? 22:27 When someone, 'cause it seems to me as much as we cover this about, uh, you know, periods of influence, it's environmentally it seems to make sense, uh, 22:36 environmentally completely makes sense. I guess financially it makes sense. What's your answer when they, when they, the, 22:42 the person says, doubts that this will work for them. So in, let's talk about environmental for a second. So, temple's in a geography 22:55 that has been having to deal with nutrient application limitations for, for years, uh, same thing around the Great Lakes, 23:08 because we see what happens with, uh, the algae bloom and lake gear every Year, about an hour, you know, an hour east of my farm. 23:17 And that is, was the thing starting at least a decade ago, maybe 15, 20 years ago, about the algae bloom in Lake Erie. 23:24 And it's because of it is because of nitrogen and phosphorus. Right? And so you take it even a step further in the last, 23:34 you know, three to five years where they had the big, uh, nitrate issue in Iowa and it's, it's going to continue 23:47 to keep getting worse. So for the, the guys that have that say to your point, well, I've been doing this 23:56 and I'm, I'm happy with my 230 40 bushel yield. I'm just not gonna change. Well, there's gonna, there's gonna come a point in time 24:10 and we have, we have to prepare ourselves for it, but there're gonna come a point in time where you're gonna, everybody's gonna have to have a nutrient management plan. 24:21 I think I I could be wrong, but it's moving that direction. Uh, so to prepare ourself for that, 24:31 we need to realize that it's not about building so bank anymore. It's about we get paid, farmers get paid 24:40 for feeding the plant, growing grain and hauling that grain to the elevator. So everybody, most everybody is in 30 rows. 24:52 And if you think about if you're planting 34,000 ish plants, we'll we'll just say those plants are gonna have about a seven to eight 25:06 inch root ball that they're, that that plant's gonna access nutrients. So if you do the math, 25:15 and then we get down to the fact that we know phosphorus does not move. We know potassium is in the middle. 25:23 We know nitrogen does move. So if you just take an average what you put out there, you only, you're only going to get 30% 25:32 of what you put out there. So it all goes back to we've got to put nutrition where the plant can get, where 25:42 It can actually that out there In the Utilized. Yeah. Put plant, put nutrition where the plant can get to it. That, by the way, is the most, that, that right there, 25:50 that demonstration is the most compelling one ever. You know, when you think about it, um, you said a seven inch root ball. 25:58 Well that means it's only about three and a half inches, uh, out from the row. Yep. And yeah, and there's, 26:05 and there's 30 inches of space between that and next row. So that part makes sense. 26:09 But then the other one, like, like you say, is on this fertility program, uh, a nutrient management plan. 26:15 Uh, I, yeah, I'm not in any way, uh, advocating that. I think this is, you know, cheering it on. But we both see, we three see the same thing. 26:26 Look at where you said the Ohio and the Lake Erie and then the Chesapeake Bay. This, this, the Ripple keeps going out. 26:33 I think eventually you might need a nutrient management plan to get crop insurance subsidized for USDA. 26:40 It's just gonna be part of the thing. I mean, I, I really see that day coming and this plays right into that. 26:44 A forward thinking farm operator's gonna be like, yep, I'm already, I've been reducing applications and all that kind of thing. 26:51 Temple my right be is that gonna be, is gonna be the deal? It's, it is already a thing for us. 26:56 So we can't play in a lot of government grants or uh, um, let's say a cover crop program that's funded by, um, the state of Maryland. 27:06 We can't play in them without a nutrient management plan. Yeah. So the, it's already happened to us. 27:11 So is it gonna come down to the rest of the country? Yes. Eventually. Yeah. Um, it's definitely rippling out. 27:18 Um, I would say that it, it is a lot of, there's a lot of that going on because, you know, when I go and I'm spending time with you guys, wherever we are 27:29 with you, Damien, what's the first thing that people come up? People come up to me 27:33 and they'll ask me about the nutrient management, the regulation that we deal with. How do I deal with that? 27:39 They don't ask me how to grow high yield on soybeans or corn or wheat or, or what do I do? 27:45 Or what's a PGR or none of those questions get asked. They ask me about the regulation that's coming. They do realize that it's coming. 27:53 So if we can be proactive and do a better job and show the government that we're doing a good job, this is better for all of us. 28:01 So there's an old thing about if you wanna make, uh, slight changes, change what you do. If you wanna make big changes, change how you think. 28:08 And I, I've always thought that was really neat. This changes, this change that we're talking about is a change in practices. 28:15 Um, and that's, that's enough. But then there's the change in how you think. What about you temple on this adjustment? 28:22 You like, you're always tweaking, you're always trying stuff. You're out there, you're, you know, you're, 28:25 that's part of the extreme ag thing. We're we're experiment here. You know, your buddy Tim, your buddy Chad down there, 28:30 he's never had a, he's never had a failure. He is just had a trial that didn't work. Um, the person that then you're encouraging 28:38 to do this is the, is it the changing your thought pattern that's greater than the changing the practices? 28:43 What do you think? Um, I, I think what kind of, I mean I've, I've been, like you said, Damien, I've been playing with this 28:50 for a long time because we kind of got forced to do it. Yep. What changed my mind last year was when I went through this massive problem with a LS 29:00 and my root system went from that seven inch ball that Tommy's talking about to damn near nothing. And then having to feed off of, you know, the brace roofs 29:11 that were shooting out and having the, going through that and having Tommy walk me through that 29:18 and having it be a success changed my mind really quick. And then from that, and then you wanna talk about the big 29:26 change would be is the amount of money that we've spent in finances this year on a, you know, 29:34 not really a blow and grow. 'cause we never were a blow and grow, but we still would've put out, you know, map dap, you know, 29:42 ssim, all that stuff would've been spread dry up front. And that's not happening anymore. So the financial decision to do this was the best thing 29:52 that I ever could have done because we're looking at corn yields from, you know, a lot 29:57 of places out here might be zero to a hundred. Yeah. And if I had put all that finance into my nutrients and they're out there in the field doing nothing, I tell you 30:08 what, I'd be a lot more scared than what I am today. Well, That money doesn't come back. 30:11 I mean, that's, that's the thing. No, the money that you, if you, if you won't go the easy route 30:15 and the way you, you know, dad did it, fine, do it. Uh, but you also, that money don't come back. I mean that money that it's, 30:23 it's out there. No, it's, it's gone. It's, Well, we have a highly leachable soil, so I mean, like our soil, it's extremely leachable of nitrogen is 30:30 volatile in every environment. Yeah. But it's really volatile in environment where you see seas are low and your organic matters low. 30:36 'cause there's nothing to hold on to that. So if you put a lot of that nitrogen out there, um, we're gonna lose that. 30:43 Now, is our phosphorus gonna stick around for next year? Yeah. Is our potassium gonna stick around 30:49 for, you know, till next year? Yes. Sulfur gonna stick around until next year. No boron gonna stick around until next year. No. 30:57 So all of those nutrients, they're gone. Yeah. And we paid for 'em and where did they go? Yeah. Not helping your next crop. 31:07 So make the best decision for the time of influence that you're at right now. Tommy, he's like, he he's doing your job right there. 31:15 He's, he's, he's talking about fertility. You're the fertility guy. All right, so now you gotta talk about the money portion 31:20 of it since we said it's a financial based fertility program. So can I, let me add one more thing 31:26 because in my previous life I used to be a plant breeder. And so let's talk about genetics. 31:34 So hybrids, varieties are changing every two, three years. Soon as they can get a, a new trade in a bag 31:42 and charge another a hundred dollars for it, they're going seed companies are gonna do it. 31:47 So what genetics today is compared to, say 20 years ago, they are much more efficient. Plants nowadays are much more efficient in, uh, 32:02 maximizing early season fertility. And we all know what yield potential of the genetics that are today compared to 20 years ago. 32:12 They're much greater. So therefore, if you're still doing the same thing you were doing 5, 10, 20 years ago, 32:23 what you've gotta realize is there is a much higher nutrient demand later in the season than there ever was before. 32:34 So if you're, if you're still putting out all your nutrient or bulk of your nutrients upfront 32:40 and don't take that into account, you're just, you're not being, you're not taking advantage of that crop's genetic potential by changing 32:51 how you fertilize that crop. I like it. That's, uh, so yes, the genetics are such that they're so much better that 33:02 using your fertility program from 40 years ago with genetics that were created and traits 33:07 that were created in a lab yesterday, um, you've, you've, you've missed the boat and again, you're, it's a bad spend. 33:13 Yeah. Yep. It's a bad spend. All right. The topic was just in time putting on your fertility in a for financial based fertility program. 33:21 Uh, you heard from Temple Roads and you heard from Tommy Roachs with Nature's We Love Nature's our Friends, 33:25 and they're gonna be at our next couple of field days. Our field days are coming up August 8th at Kevin Matthews in North Carolina and August 22nd 33:31 in Maryland with Temple Roads. This guy right here. So if you wanna come and see me, temple and Tommy put 33:36 that on your calendar, we'd love to see you there. Uh, until next time, hundreds of videos just like this. 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