Increasing Phosphorous Uptake From The Start via In-Furrow
8 Mar 2333 min 16 sec

James Paterson with AgrotechUSA makes a solid point, “We concentrate a lot on the shiny new things but 80% of crop production still comes down to N,P & K. So, let’s get the “P” right.” Getting the “P” right might very well mean getting the available phosphorous from your soil, into your crops. Kevin Matthews and Temple Rhodes explain why they’ve adopted in-furrow Nutricharge application as a standard practice on their farms. Turns out you may already have adequate phosphorous levels, you’re just not utilizing it.  

Presented by Advanced Drainage Systems

00:00 Talking about phosphorus. We're talking about new products. We're talking about something that can help you get more phosphorus uptake in 00:06 your plants. Welcome to extreme AGS cutting the curved podcast where you get a guaranteed return on investment of your time as we cut your learning 00:17 curve with the information. You can apply to your farming operation immediately extreme AG, we've 00:23 already made the mistakes so you don't have to managing. Your Farm's Water Resources is a critical component to 00:30 a successful and sustainable farming operation Advanced Drainage Systems helps Farmers, just like you increase their yields up to 30% with their 00:39 technologically advanced Water Management products visit ads to see how they can keep your business flowing. 00:48 Now here's your host Damien Mason. Hey there, welcome to another fantastic episode of extreme AG's cutting the curve for James Patterson. One of the founders of agrotech. USA 00:58 tells me really let's face it. We get excited about Biologicals. We excited about micronutrients but still in large part Crop Production 01:07 comes down to getting your NP and K. Right and sometimes you've got a lot of pee out there, but it's not getting in the plants 01:13 and that's where his company agrotech USA comes in Kevin Matthews. One of the founders of extreme AG joins me 01:19 from East Bend North Carolina as the temple roads, one of my favorite guys and affiliate with extreme Aggies from Eastern Shore, Maryland, and he's gonna be using some of this new product and telling 01:28 you what they expect to see but also what they have done in the past. I will take USA has been a partner of ours for 01:34 two years now kind of a neat story. Give us the quick background on agrotec USA's nutrit charge James because 01:40 it was Rob Deadman who's now working for you. He was working as a contracted ground on us with Matt Miles when he came across a session heard about 01:49 neutral charge and said, that's exactly the problem. We have we've got p in our soils, but we're not getting it up in our plants and so gonna give me that little background 01:58 then take us to today. Yeah, I mean he reached out to us. It was actually we've done some research. So we did six years of consecutive 02:06 research down in North Carolina and we were looking at trying to be able to make phosphorus available. Our company 02:12 were build on that. So we have a patent around trying to enhance phosphorus fertilizer availability in the soil. Are there anything a farmer does 02:21 today? It's the least efficient thing when you talk about, you know in a perfect situation perfect soil type perfect pH you 02:27 get 25% of what you put in. It's a lot of very good return. So what we did is we developed the patent around a product that could go in with phosphorus fertilizer and 02:36 more than double the single season availability of it which gives a lot more phosphorus available to the plant and give us grow as a better return on investment for 02:45 their false applications. So Rob is essentially the one that gets credit for bringing you to us and with Miles farms 02:53 and they had this issue where they they said man. It's a limiting factor. We're just fostering the hell out of this field, but we're still not getting the bump and then they experiment 03:02 with your product and it was kind of a big deal like it saved. Basically, it didn't save money. It just utilized money. They were already spending. Is that the way to put it? 03:11 Yeah, I mean if you got phosphorus in your soil, we talked about phosphorus that you add being inefficient. Well the phosphorus 03:17 in your souls even less efficient, you're talking one to two percent of all your phosphorus in your soul being available at any one time and 80% of it being completely unavailable. So, 03:26 you know, if you've got a soil test out there and you've got 40 PPM and phosphorus in your soil, you've got around a hundred 03:32 and eighty pounds of p205 and when fertilizer when phosphorus around a thousand dollars a ton that's a lot of money locked up in your soil and unavailable. So what we do 03:41 is we work with phosphorus fertilizer, but we also work with the plants natural function. The plant itself is a good 03:47 scavenger. It's releasing acids from its roots. It's making phosphorus available to the plant to pull it up. The problem is is those little pH changes mean 03:56 very little on a per acre because in an acre of Soul, you've got so much soil that buffers out that change and you don't get the maximum up tape what we 04:05 do when we're in that root zone is we help make that phosphorus the plants getting out of the soil more. It by allowing at the time to get into the plant rather 04:14 than get fixed into the soil. By the way, that was that was is simplified as you can make it. It still is a touch over my 04:22 head, but that's because I don't do what they do every day. I'm gonna go to my farm guys Temple and Kevin. 04:28 James just described it. Does it work? So, um, yeah, it works. You know that the the beauty of you know extreme AG 04:38 is is we're Doing all these trials and we're putting in every variation. We possibly can put it and and 04:46 my region, you know, we have two different scenarios. We have guys that have real high ppms and they can't put on any phosphorus. We got 04:55 guys that have low ppms because it doesn't have any chicken later on and we're only required we can all requirements are that we can only put on but so much because of 05:04 Regulation so in both scenarios, we need to make every ounce count, right? So this kind of product release and 05:11 pee into that plan. It works very very well and what we're finding out again in XA being able to 05:18 Produce all these trials what we're finding is is we can use it multiple times throughout the season and we can actually stack this thing 05:27 so we can release some of the phosphorus early season get it into the plant we can then go back in later on in the season and we can 05:36 really we can put some more out there and we can release it again and like a wide drop applic. 05:40 for instance, you know, we thought tremendous results from that we're finding out that you know, seventy seventy 05:46 five percent of the phosphorus that we need that that plant's requirements is is in the reproductive stages, you know that last quarter that we're talking 05:55 about if we can get that and we can stack that into the plant we can carry that whole season, you know, one of the reasons that 06:02 you know, I guess I should say we're getting better at our jobs is as we're learning the spoon feet this crop 06:08 at stages all throughout its life and knowing what that crop needs and these things knowing what it needs of what stage really works out very 06:17 well for us. All right. So Kevin's nodding his head about spoon feeding and you're talking about putting Nutri charge 06:23 out at reproductive stage, which is obviously well into the season Temple and you're saying that that helps us get phosphorus that was already made available one 06:32 of the outlines before we actually hit the record button was we were going to talk about to treat or not to treat infero 06:38 and I think what we're really needing to ask then is is this neutral charge product have a place being put in at time of planting and maybe Kevin you 06:47 can address that. And temples 100% right? That's part of this spoon feeding process is you're going to start at planting in Furrow 06:55 is where I like to put the product it's very economical with this will be our third year with it. 07:02 This one of two products that we found on our farm to never have a it's never had a failure. I mean, 07:11 we we've used this one product from agrotec USA. We you know, we've tried it on 07:18 thousands of Acres now and we've yet to see it not have a positive Roi it's one thing for it to make yields and it's 07:27 nice to make you but the fact is is when you can put a you know, a few ounces of something is so you ain't got no bulk containers. 07:36 You having to have another shuttle on the tender truck. You can throw a case or two a neutral charge on a plant 07:42 a lot of acres in for a depending on the rate that you're running a fertilizer. But we are just so hard to get the phosphorous end 07:50 of the plants. We can put all the commercial grade stuff out there. We want to and we just we struggle to get it into plant metabolize it and what 07:59 Rob got needed, you know, he's told me about the product and being a plant before we do that first year he took and got to 08:09 teach you samples back to prove that it was getting up in the plant quickly from that planting time application. 08:17 So we immediately got hold of some and ended up. Going to try a couple hundred acres and I think the first year we ended up with about close to a thousand acres and 08:28 then last year ever acre corn got it this year every acre of soybeans and corn have it. We will have tenor trailer set up so that 08:37 we can easily put in for a and the two to own a soybeans. We've always had to capability on the planner but we've just 08:46 been limited on getting there's just so many products to take to the field. So we're building a new trailer just for the fact that we can run the 08:55 neutral charge and some other products and for our own soybeans now, all right, so in your first years of doing the the stuff 09:04 Neutral charge that is after Rob Deadman made the discovery by the way, James. You should 09:10 probably thank him. So after Rob Devon racism is a too much Robin, he robbed that I made the discovery and brought brought this new discovery 09:19 called neutral charge via agrotech USA to us. The miles miles Farms was the first to use it. Did they put it in and Furrow James or did they 09:28 just go out there and use it? Post-emergent as a as a spoon feed now in Farah first that that was the 09:37 idea I think and that was their initial premise from an Roi perspective on our product. That's absolutely the 09:43 most effective way to do it because it does two things you get it in there early and we talk about inferior additives, you know, there's a lot of great in for additives 09:52 in the market. So I you know, I can I can name a number of them, you know anytime. There's a lot of full books you mix you 09:58 can add pgis you can add microbiology these things are all good tools and we've actually seen through this at working the high level we've seen great synergies 10:07 with other products in that tank as well, but they used it in Furrow first and then you know because this is the first time that you know, Rob will 10:16 say this that the first time he was able to actually apply something and see it in this tissues. So then that led him 10:22 to the next question and and the one question that we talk about is the reason we put it in Furrow in the first place is because in first the 10:28 most effective way to apply phosphorus because Concentrating at close to the roots because phosphorus doesn't move in your soil which just fixes and in order 10:37 for the plot to take it up the roots actually have to touch the phosphorus. It has to intersect it. So we put it in Furrow because 10:43 it has the greatest chance of being able to affect the plant. So now he said well in actually call me. He said maybe 10:49 we can have a look at this because we haven't been applying late season P like we why drop and we wide 10:55 drop nitrogen to time it to the crops demand. And as Temple said early Temple said 75% of your total P requirements comes after V10 in corn. 11:04 So if all your pee is required later in season, he said and you can keep it available. Let's just have it Go and so he did this later as well and he was able to see 11:13 that stacking effect on getting pee into the plant later and then obviously that stack the effect of the product in terms of Roi for him as well. 11:21 All right. So you you've got the the farmers of extreme AG convinced that we're going to do this, but the 11:30 question was to treat or not to treat infero. It sounds like that's a foregone conclusion and Kevin's gonna modify his his tender trailer that goes to the 11:39 field at time of planting because this is now going to be it's just gonna be standard practice Kevin. 11:44 Yeah, it was already standing for corn and it's absolutely will be standard for soybeans every acre 11:50 of soybeans will get it. And yeah, and and we still will people say well you need a check without it. I just ain't gonna rest not having it. I mean, I 11:59 just I can't afford not to have it in there after it makes me money. If I can't prove it wrong after the thousands of 12:05 Acres. I put it on for the last two years right? I just and what's so cool about it is 12:13 Is the fact that you know, Dr. Heineker at NC State's done so much research and he's not had a failure with the product. Then we go to you know 12:22 to Maryland a temple. Temple's not had a failure with the product and we go the other areas the United States and it's working there and I I don't 12:31 think James will disagree but it's very rare to see a product that performs across such a wide geographical environmental 12:40 situation. So their own to something here he needs to let us know and we'll we'll Black Label to jug or something and pattern it. 12:52 So answer me this Temple for you. One of the things that we wanted to cover was how you'll go about using it because there's people that are listening and 13:04 watching and they're like man I've heard about this now twice on Extreme AG, I don't even know for sure how I'd go about using this just take us through this season 13:13 how you're going to use Nutri charge. And again, it's really about phosphorus and I like the fact that if you haven't listened to your listener. 13:23 Eastern Shore Maryland, he has been Temple has been having to manage phosphorus and inputs for a lot longer from an environmental scrutiny standpoint 13:32 and then any of the rest of us and that's because of the Chesapeake Bay Watershed. So when he said early on in this recording that you got Farmers that have 13:41 high pee soils and and the kids have had chicken liter put on every year three times a year for the last 50 years and you got fields that don't have it but they product 13:50 like this works in both places because the one helps you actually utilize and extract the phosphora she got and the other ones is gonna help you find it phosphorus. You don't I'm paraphrase if 13:59 that's kind of what you said right Temple. Yeah. That's right. So let's go back, you know, we talked about 14:05 this Roi thing, you know, and we stacked it so many different places we even try to infero and in the two but too so there's the 14:14 the same result happens is if and all the tests and I did and it's replicated trials after Trials of just in for 14:23 And just in the tuba 2 and every time that we do those two those two, it's absolutely no difference in yield. The yield difference is 14:32 the same. It's the yield the U of bump is exact. Um, we tried to stack them and do infero into there. Yes, there was a yield bump there was a difference but the 14:42 ROI was in there, you know, we told you extreme act will tell you the truth and the truth is is double stacking them all up front. That was not that 14:51 was not a Roi we didn't get the cost Effectiveness back out of that but just in Furrow really worked so my or in just 15:00 a tuba too just one of the other just not both so my standard protocol this year is going to be in furrow. 15:09 And then I'm going to come back and when we drop the Y drop we're going to put neutral charge in that one as well because we saw 15:15 such tremendous results with that. We got another big bump and that was that was huge. It'll be 15:21 in my soybeans the same way wait, let's go to the let's go to the court. Let's go to the corn real quickly. It'll go for for corn. 15:27 It's gonna go in for a timer planting and then you won't use neutral charger again until why drop and is that that thing we talked about a phosphorus need 15:36 for a corn plant 75% of it happens from V10 on is what James said, is that about what the way I'm thinking of timing it. So keep in 15:45 mind, you know, we always talk about being proactive versus reactive for reactive. We're losing money, right? So 15:51 I'm proactively before we get right into the reproduction stage. I'm gonna release some more of that phosphorus that's 16:00 tied up in my soul. And I'm gonna get it back into that plan again, and that's the response that we had. So that's 16:06 exactly what we're gonna do. Okay. So the V the the why drop, you're essentially thinking of timing that around that 16:15 pre V10 time frame. Yeah. Okay. That's exactly right. What else goes what else goes in that mix? 16:23 Um, it's usually like a 285 and then it'll be a bunch of other things sugars. And you know, go back to what James was saying again, their Synergy 16:32 between all these things sugars and humex and pulvix. And when you when you add, you know in biology, you know, we're James will touch on that in a minute. 16:41 You know, we did a trial last year where James sent me some biology up here and we ate it with the nutria charge 16:47 and we got a huge bump from that that's these are all these things that were finding out, you know and doing all these testing. We're that Synergy. It's a 16:56 real thing that is real real live version. It's crazy that things that we're finding out but you know, and if we can jump to some 17:06 of these other crops, you know, we're mainly talking about more because you know corns the whole rail, but I grow a lot 17:12 more than corn on my farm we go soybeans and we grow weed. I'm using neutral charge on my info 17:18 on my soybeans. I'm using neutral charge on my My first pass out there in the field with my wheat this and it's made big differences and 17:28 all this has been tested and we're just we're coming up with more and more of it and I think for our area, you know, when we can get more phosphorus out 17:37 of our soul and for to make our phosphorus extremely efficient, you know, it's such a big difference and what is phosphorus do 17:46 every time you release phosphorus into the plan. It creates a different plant, you know that plant also it's 17:52 gonna grow a better root system. It drives energy into the plant. So it allows it to take up more the other nutrients get them into plant. So 18:01 it's a balance effect where it drags all these things in I think that's what First off. I like all that Kevin we 18:09 once recorded me and Temple and Chad and they took the microphone from me and I just sounded the sidelines and watched for a while Temple. Just 18:18 tried to do that to me again because I was gonna try and come to you and ask you about how you're using it because we were gonna lead off 18:24 on the infer things. So let's go to what Temple that off with corn you're going to use it essentially the exact same 18:30 way put it in Furrow and then come back with a wide drop or a treatment around that before it goes to that that 18:36 reproductive stage. Yeah, I mean you're 100% right Temple should have just kept on running with it because he does such a great job and that was awesome podcast when 18:45 they took over from you. Born and then Temple got into beans. I want to go back to how he uses it on wheat as well. But on beans you're gonna put 18:55 it in fro and then how do you go about when do you apply and how do you go about applying it for treatment, too? 19:01 So for us we're gonna go in for on the soybeans and we're gonna walk away from it. And you know, that's we're going to do everything up front Okay, I'll 19:10 use it what you use it twice on corn and Furrow and then again before productive and then soybeans is gonna go in for oh and that's it. Yeah. Well, yeah 19:20 and tried it on our farm and to reproductive Temple he done that and that's that's one of the Beauties with XA is 19:26 you know, one of us is busy doing one thing and other than can try something else and you're maybe during season we get talking about what we've done and what we're seeing and that 19:35 helps us decide because You gotta face it, you know people say things work and don't work but at the 19:44 end of the day, what is the quality of that word? Is it work that you can trust? You know, I just hosted a big group here earlier. I won't they just 19:56 with USDA and and research but it was so interesting. They was talking about the research farm at their managing. 20:05 They're trying to make decisions for Farmers out there and when they told me they was having trouble with weed escape on a corn I 20:14 said, well, you know, when are you spraying? Well, they got talking they told how big the corn was and I said my gosh how many days between your you 20:23 know, your pre-emerge your burn down your clean application and your post and when they told me I said 20:31 You know, you've not what are you thinking? So these guys are telling Farmers what to do and there's no way what they're doing is going to work. It's so 20:41 behind and so when you got someone like Temple, yeah, Matt miles. All these guys out there when they call you and 20:50 say hey this works, you know, sometimes I don't I just don't. And I ain't gonna go out there and do the whole crop but I 20:57 might do a 200 Acres instead of 20 during reproduction and see how it does. But so it's just the value of the information you're getting and when Temple 21:07 says it works and we're not that far apart where we're five hours apart Temple maybe so yeah motion not 21:13 that far and You know, it's it's really interesting to me this year. So when we go to a wide drops, I'm quite certain he's 21:21 gonna be some nutrient in there Temple about what the we're saying there. Are you gonna do a second treatment on soybeans or is it just going to go in for? Oh, and that's it. 21:30 So I'm gonna what I'm gonna do is we playing some soybeans and 30 inch arm rows and we plant some and in 15 inch rows. So 21:39 on my 30 inch rows, I am going to go back in there and I'm gonna make another drop to see if I can get a response. You know, I'm gonna do it on on trial only but that's 21:48 that's something new for me. You know, if I can figure out how to get Kevin talked in with his 20 inch planner to go in there with his skinny tires on 21:57 his on his input. Why drops in there and to be able to lay in between there? I think we can make it work on 20 inch beans and get that much better of a bump and 22:06 yield and this is all stuff that Kevin and I are talking about is better with with engineering stuff out there 22:12 to get you know to change the change the protocol for all of us simple question here James and remember for the person. It's like, okay. I've never heard of this product 22:22 before my life. And again, it's not here to Pitch Perfect here to talk about stuff that works and and basically it's a goal all boils down 22:28 to extracting phosphorus. From soil that's there getting getting phosphorus out of your soul into your plant. 22:36 Does this this product have to touch the soil when he goes in when Temple goes in on his experiment and puts it over soybeans? It's got to get down to the soil, right? It can't just if it's 22:45 a plant. It doesn't do any good, right? Yeah. Absolutely. It's got it. It's got to hit the soil. So we talked about different ways of doing 22:51 it with them and experimenting we've got a dry version of it. Then we might coat on some map or dap and fly it 22:57 over his soybeans. And again, it's just that this has been so great working with these Farmers because the ability to be able to look at things that 23:06 we never thought were possible with phosphorus all comes down to timing and experience for these guys and they're trying to 23:12 push the envelopes on yields and we're learning more about how we can manage phosphorus and sometimes that means unconventional applications. 23:20 And putting it through the pivot with nutrients light lying nutrients on light using it but it has to hit the 23:26 soil. That's what we're affecting. We're affecting phosphorus. It has the soil and the plant's ability to to pull phosphorus out 23:32 of the soil. And I guess I didn't know this. I'm just thinking the whole time it's liquid and you just talked about it being a granular that can be 23:38 flown on there for it. It dribbles down and gets down to the soil and then gets gets, you know, solubilized at 23:45 some point. So it's a dry product as well. Well, we have the Nutri charge nurture charge molecule itself 23:51 is in our dry product called ionize, which is a dry powder for dry fertilizer coating and it gives you the same concentration and neutral charge that you 24:00 would apply with liquids. But at a late enables us to treat granular fertilizer as well. So there's a lot of areas that 24:06 use granular starters as well. They'll put it underneath the seed and this gives them the opportunity to get a similar response, you 24:12 know from a liquid if they're set up for dry. That's the important information right there. So if I want to do infero and I'm somehow not able 24:21 to do it with the liquid infero. I can use a dry product from you and make the and still get the same bump. 24:27 Yeah, you can and I mean once the test we did last year. This is a really important question. There's a lot of guys we have this quite frequently. 24:33 They're not set up to handle liquids and they don't have liquid set up but they'd like to get the effect last year 24:39 at NCSU. It was driven by a researcher there. He said hey, you know, I if we've seen phosphorus move and 24:45 we've seen phosphorus be less more available. Can we actually go in and can we surface Supply 1034? Oh over a corn plant and that's compare it 24:54 against a two by two and that's compared against the pop-up when he did that last year at NCSU it out yielded both the 25:00 two by two and the pop-up without Nutri charge. So he was able to get a starter response from applying phosphorus to the soil. So this you know for guys not set up 25:09 he could come in and ban this he could band it or he could apply it over the top. We've got guys that do Ridge Hill 25:15 and they can actually apply neutral charge with nitrogen in front of the planner and they're spraying that playing spraying 25:21 that planting bed and then planting in behind it and you're gonna get response to the phosphorus and the soil 25:27 Way, so, you know, we're just trying to get this product to the soil in and around planting and then the rest 25:33 takes care of itself. Temple you were getting ready to say something and it feed off of that and I have no question for you about wheat 25:41 Go ahead. You can just answer question. I'm gonna I'll chime man at the end for what I was going to say about it was since 25:47 you and Chad did a three-hour recording about how to produce Trophy winning wheat, which is funny. They didn't even win the trophy. Did they 25:56 Kevin Matt miles won the trophy but yet somehow the send it twins Chad and Temple are doing a two hour 26:02 dissertation on how to grow. You know, wait a minute. Wait wait, Damian. You got to remember who Matt got all those information from he got everything from 26:11 me and Chad. Yeah. It's been so long. all right, so You gave you gave a lot of information about wheat, but you didn't talk about this. How are you going to 26:24 use Neutra charge you're talking about now, obviously your wheat's already in the field. It's already growing it's it's recording this on March 26:30 2nd for crying out loud. So that weed is already kind of an about ready to come out of dormancy. Right and it's 26:36 six inches tall. So how are you going to use Nutri charge to get phosphorus into the wheat plant? 26:42 this spring So we use banding nozzles on our sprayers, you know, we get them from Pen Air so that banding nozzle 26:54 looks kind of like a shower head and it at least streams down that you know, some people call them streaming nozzles banding nozzles, whatever it may be but each nozzle 27:03 instead of they coming out in the emulsified spray the way that a lot of people top dress. We was Liquid around here. It's a nozzle that basically 27:12 bands to fertilizer and like a shower pattern. It's each of them has six holes in it. So when I've mixed that nuture charge with that fertility, I don't 27:21 get it goes straight to the soil go straight to the dirt. So I cannot take it like that and we made our first hand. 27:29 Trial on that last year. We had a 200 Acre Farm and we split it right directly in half last year and when we split it in half when we were where 27:38 it got next to each other it was a I think it was a 19 or 20 bushel difference right at the line where it 27:47 That whole farm that Hundred Acre trial on that farm of 100 acres was to check versus the treated the overall average was I think 11 bushels total. 27:56 So it was that's tremendous for for that that difference in yield like for that so that is 28:05 something that definitely is going into our general standard practice this year a hundred percent and that's way 28:11 there were that's way we've already applied it. When will you just for the Curiosity for this week thing? Because you already found you 28:17 said that you did a hundred acres with Hundred Acres without last year 100 acres one out. It's now gonna be standard 28:23 practice when you putting this on. I'm putting it on my first my first trip in the field. So up here. We can't apply fertilizer on our growing weed 28:32 crop until March 1st. So March 1st is our first day that we're allowed to apply any fertility at all. So that very first time that we're in there we're putting 28:41 it on and that's kind of like, you know, maybe is it a starter treatment? I don't know but I'm basically again what what does neutral charge help the phosphorus 28:50 do phosphorus does what phosphorus gets energy into the plant helps build root system. So that first go around. I'm trying to get that in early in 28:59 the season. Okay. And by the way, it's March 2nd while we're recording this and right now you go out and do it, but you probably are too wet. So when you 29:08 get dry enough to go across the field you're going to be doing this. Yeah, exactly. It's gonna be fertilizer and 29:14 it's going to be it's gonna be fertilizer. It's going to be neutral Church. Yeah, that's exactly right. He's got 29:22 guests coming in. If you're watching you see temples getting invaded in his office and he's got a barking dog that apparently Caroline's not 29:28 taking care of but let's go over here. Exactly. We got one last thing to talk about. You've got it. You've got a new product coming up. You've 29:34 got a new product coming up that going to take the technology that you've already pioneered and then take it to the next level. So tell us about that and we'll get out 29:43 of here. Yeah, I mean it largely this has been driven by you know, what Temple's facing up in his area. There's a lot 29:50 of ground in the states that gets heavy loads of livestock manure that has really really high P levels and you know, 29:56 one of the things we don't know is that when we get these really high pineapples, it creates adverse interactions and so you 30:02 can actually end up with a nitrogen deficiency because you've got too much phosphorus in your soul. So what we did is, you know, we wanted to find the 30:08 product or creative product where guys, you know, have these high P levels don't apply a lot of phosphorus that can help them mine 30:14 and extract phosphorus out of the soil. So the product that it's called neutral charge release uses the same neutral charge technology, but the difference here is what we're doing is we're at 30:23 we've got an organic acid in there that's gonna break and free up the phosphorus this fixed in the sauce. The first thing we need to do is 30:29 get that phosphorus in a free form. The next thing is we put Nutri charge in there basically in the middle the sandwich it and stop them from binding back together. So whatever 30:38 we release from the soil will be available. And then the third thing we're adding is we've got some solubilizing bacteria that we know will colonize the root system 30:47 very well and that bacteria is going to help convert more phosphorus and help drive it into the plants. So 30:53 what we wanted to do was kind of complete the circle for high peak grounds and and this can be a product that can be banded on 30:59 or put in a two by two can replace fertilizer and help these guys with some of the challenges of having high pee in their soils. 31:05 By the way, Kevin you said when we started before we started you wish you had this problem meeting you wish you had a problem of too much phosphorus that 31:15 you couldn't get into your plant. Do you have a need for what James just described. Do you see I mean you're already using the stuff you've already been sold on the results of 31:24 using what exists does this next iteration of their product have an appeal or a place for you? 31:32 It wouldn't for the Acres. I farm. I've got some neighbors with a lot of dairy manure that it would definitely work for 31:38 them and some of the poultry litter guys that's years and years of poultry liter. It's almost got too too 31:44 high levels that that's definitely going to be a benefit for those guys, but 31:49 that two inches of topsoil eye farming and a week. I had that problem. All right, is is Davis. His name is Kevin Matthews. And 31:59 he's one of the founders of extreme egg Temple things for being here my friend. We're gonna build a check on this stuff and we don't have 32:08 any trials per se do we James or we doing anything on a trial basis? We are at temples with this new program, right? There'll be several locations. Matt's gonna be doing some work 32:17 with it and Yep, and then price have a name one. But anyways muscles are two two Thin. Yeah, we don't have a place. Is there a name on this product 32:27 James? Yeah, it's called neutral charger release by the way. Thanks for being here. Everybody James Patterson if anybody wants to learn more about this, where do they go? 32:35 Agate Agro Tech Agro Tech He's named James Patterson. Thanks for being here till next time. It's extreme exercise with 32:44 me your host Damian mace. That's a wrap for this episode of cutting the curve, but there's plenty more check out where 32:53 you can find past episodes instructional videos and articles to help you squeeze more profit out 32:59 of your farm cutting. The curve is brought to you by Advanced Drainage Systems the leader in agriculture Water Management Solutions.

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