25 May 2327 min 22 sec

Sam “Of The North” Coutu talks to Damian Mason about how Agriculture differs in Quebec, navigating environmental regulations (anhydrous is illegal), and what he’s excited about heading into the 2023 crop season.

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00:00 You know our guys in South like Matt miles. They're absolutely pulling the trigger. I mean, they're out there. They've got three Planters going. They got a 00:06 spray rig going. They got, you know, everything going and they're Sam of the north sits. 00:11 Looking out the window and it's still Frosty and cold and wet and gray and he's painting to get out there. So I 00:17 wondered what are you doing right now Sam? What's it look like the last week of May for you and Quebec. 00:23 Welcome to extreme eggs cutting the curve more than just a podcast. It's the place for insights and information. You can apply immediately to your farming operation for increased 00:33 success this episode of cutting the curve is brought to you by AG Explorer with Innovative products that improve fertilizer efficiency protect yield potential 00:42 and reduce stress. I explore helps Growers maximize field potential find out how AG explore can help you get more out of your crop at Ag And 00:51 now here's your house Damian Mason. Hey there, welcome to another fantastic episode of extreme acts cutting the curve. It's me Damien Mason with our affiliate 01:02 from Canada Sam of the north. Could you you might have met Sam I recorded with him a while back, and we're really excited because we like not 01:13 only talking about, you know, the guys in, Arkansas, Alabama, North Carolina, Maryland, Iowa. 01:20 Illinois we like the idea that we got some by North the Border. In fact, we're gonna talk about what are you doing? Right now? We're recording this dear listener 01:27 at the very end of April. Yeah, so already in the preparation of letters. 01:34 field theaters I've been done 10 days ago. This year I have planner. I bought it 24 rules on the planter. 01:45 Say used one, so I'm rebooting it. So right now that's what I'm doing. a little bit late maybe 01:54 that that's the time and I need to go get parts in the US. so 02:04 that push me a little further in the time. But so equipment preparation, let's face it Farmers. Love to say that that they spend all winter getting 02:14 things ready. It's like she don't really need to get things ready for six months. So you start pull stuff out here a few 02:20 weeks before go time. When do you think you'll be going? When will you actually be doing field work in your 02:26 part of? Usually it would be like at the end of this week. But we are really wet. 02:36 And it's calling for Mooring this weekend like two inches and more. 02:40 Saturday and Sunday, is there all in the mornings But it getting in the 50s in the afternoon. Okay, that's really windy. And it's great. It's cloudy. 02:54 That's nothing to dry. Yeah, nothing trying to ground. Okay for the person that didn't listen to the meat Sam. Could you episode real quickly 03:04 tell everybody about your farming operation? Then we're gonna talk about what things you do differently to produce your crops versus somebody. Let's say in Ohio or or 03:14 Kansas. So you farm you told me about 15 or 1600 Acres. Nope, and you've oh, what's that? It's all conventional all conventional. And 03:27 you said something interesting when we had our last recording the province of Quebec is first or second 03:33 largest province in Canada. It's massively big. It's as big as you know, plenty of plenty of States put together is real big. 03:41 But territory is the province is really big. Yes, the area the landmass is very big. You said only how many percentage of Quebec is 03:51 actually in farm ground. Yeah two person two percent so you are in and so there you got your 15 or 1600 acres and you're split on crops 04:00 are. Corn beans and wheat? Okay. So the weeds articles we turn your ground you have to is some of the first work you're gonna do you gonna be getting 04:11 out in May? Are you gonna be treating the wheat in May and no my wheat is not in the ground. It's spring wheat, so why we just not seated yet? 04:20 Okay. So is that is that the first thing to go presumably? Yeah, you know. 04:26 So is this gonna be telling this ground? I will do portion of the wheat will go until 04:36 a little bit but yes, we'll get we're ground and put the weed in. Okay, so mostly no till wheat and that's the first thing that goes in the ground and then 04:49 you're putting it in. Say what second week of May. I don't know the wheat. Yes. I usually would be this week, but 05:00 at the I say a good by looking at the window with the 10 days from now. Yeah, so first to second week or may it puts in there and when you harvesting that because like 05:09 in my part of the world, which we don't grow a lot of wheat in Indiana. 05:13 It's all winter wheat planted in October. And then you your harvesting it July 4th. You're part world. You're putting it in in May 05:22 you're harvesting it September. I know mid August, okay. Um answer me this what things do you do differently than 05:33 our friends that you're seeing an extreme AG or your farmer buddies that are in any part of the United States. What do you think would strike them the most heading into 05:44 the season that you're like, oh, there's something that we do that you don't Yes, good boy something different. 05:54 I don't really see something different. We don't use an address at all. No energy for nitrogen application is that because 06:04 it doesn't work. Is it because you can't get it is because there's an issue equip Bank in Quebec because 06:10 of the regulation we can't get it. Okay, so you can't use anhydrous at all. So that's something that's going to strike. A lot of people who don't know 06:20 farming without anhydrous. Yeah, so we have to work with 32. or area 46 06:31 or we have 27 we have 27 with 32 liquid. We're 46 and we have a EMS AMS. You really was your area is one of those. 06:46 Your eyes there 46% the 46 and then 28 weeks called 28 percent my part of the world. You said it's Yeah, anyway, go back. We used 32 person 32 percent. 06:56 Yeah, so instead of 28. All right. So what your treatment of the nitrogen is it they're gonna be regulatory. Is there all so regulation of when you can put 07:06 it out as a soil have to be at a certain temperature is it had to be a certain time certain date? Yeah. Okay. When's 07:12 the first time you can put a nice Jon? And when's the last day you can put nitrogen on just after the 07:18 ground is improve? Okay. You can put any nitrogen unfortune. Okay, so they don't give 07:28 you a date. They just say it has to go on ground. That's that's unfrozen. Yeah, and for manure. 07:36 Everything is to be done before October. Before October. Yeah, and after that you need. A certain permit to spread it. 07:49 So then the dairy farms. I know there's dairy farms or chicken farms and Quebec. They all have to then just Warehouse manure 07:56 all from October all through winter until sometime when it it's so and that'd be you can't even put it out now because you know under South 08:05 Shore you get a lot less snow than we get so they've been spreading for two weeks now. And here in the North Shore of this environment River, we got a 08:16 lot of snow, which has just melted like seven days ago. So they were two weeks in the field before we are here. So we're 08:26 recording this on April 26th, and it's important to note that you had snow on the ground until seven days ago, April 19th was 08:32 your beginning of melt off which isn't all that unusual if you're from a northern climate, but you can't do any manure and that's 08:39 because they're concerned that with the snow melt off then goes the nutrients into the river the river. Yeah all the 08:45 all the river right now are flooding you Yeah, it's with all this snow. We got up north. Yes and all the rain we got right now. There's a lot of flooding right 08:55 now. Okay. So then what about on a normal year? Okay first also go back to the Nystrom. Are there any other like our friend Temple roads has tremendous restrictions on 09:04 phosphorus on how much they can put out when they can put out how routinely they can put it out amount. You can put out per dose. 09:11 Whatever. Do you have the father restrictions as well? We have the same thing here. Okay. So manure is restricted on 09:17 when you can put it on how much you can put on timing phosphorus nitrogen anything else from a regulatory 09:23 standpoint. I know that's about it. But that's that's Important regulation you think the regulation has taken yield away from you or do 09:36 you think it's just made you be a better right? You have to prove you have no with our entrep insurance. 09:43 The better our average is the more we can put phosphorus. Okay, so you have to be really good if you want 09:55 to put and apply more phosphorus. It will go by the corrupt removal. Yeah, so you're allowed to put on more if you 10:04 have higher yields because it's not it's not restriction just for environmental purposes. It's usage per per yield. 10:11 It's it's about per yield so that way that I guess the idea is to not have an oversaturation that that ends up just going into 10:17 the environment. That's it. Yeah. Who monitors all that? the minister of environment of 10:30 and and they actually send somebody out. You know every before May 15. We have what we call here is a path. It's a plan 10:40 Agro. I grew environmental surprising plan. So we have to do that each year before May 15. And if we don't do that. 10:55 we we have a lot of program that we don't have access if they don't have that and so this plan 11:08 this plan is you have to say all the man who you're getting or your producing. And what crop you will do in each field? 11:19 and what will be the what the Soy test is already for that field. And what will the crop will be? 11:30 And so it said it told you what you can put more or not. I say so you submit this plan. And 11:38 then you said about crop insurance. Is that all through a federal agency or is it is it an independent company that does this and that's why 11:48 the web government our agricultural minister Uh, okay, so I'm learning a lot about this. Okay answer me this expected yield and 12:03 you know, I know that farm people love to brag about yield and then it becomes a you know becomes a 12:11 a contest over who can have the but, you know who can bench press more who can do this more or whatever. It's the same kind of thing. But let's face things are different for you 12:20 than they are for somebody and you know the best part of the Prairie soils of Illinois, let's say and then 12:27 obviously have a later season. So just give us what you think what what you think a true or you can use your yields from 12:33 last year or what you think your yields this year will be all honest, you know unless there's a crop field or what you think things are gonna look like 12:40 oh, I'm looking for like 65 and beans and 195 and 65 beans 195 on corn. Yeah, there's nothing wrong 12:51 with those numbers at all. Those are actually quite good numbers. I know but that's what I that's what I get last year. I'm 12:58 hoping for at least that for this year. Yeah, and usually you go up a little bit from last year unless there's a big weather problem. What about wheat? 13:07 We time around 80 80. Well, my question is do you think that those are those Quebec averages or those way above average because you do a good job because you're an extreme AG. 13:22 Ah I'm I can see. In corn and beans, I'm doing a good job. Yep. and 13:32 my original one up a lot since three years. Yeah, you start you started getting better at your game and you're still working and getting better at your 13:42 game with people like the extreme AG crew. Um, answer me this all the stuff. Where does it go there? You are 13:49 you're on the North Shore of the Saint Lawrence River most of the agriculture in Quebec happens. I'm guessing in the southern 13:56 in the southern, you know 10% right? There's not as much when you get way up North it becomes Pine Forest. Is it no, no like from the river. 14:06 which is four miles from my play for my house. the rivers from the river to the the forest is like 14:18 12 months. Yeah, it's a small band. That is farmable. Yes. And then it's forests. Yes. So 12 mile So within 14:27 12 miles of the state Lawrence River is where almost all the air culture happens in Quebec. 14:32 I know the main part is on the southern Shore. Yeah. Um crop stress. Let's talk about crop stress. You've probably don't have the hot and dry conditions that maybe you'd 14:44 see in Nebraska or routinely you probably don't know not that severe as you got. But we got some stress. 14:54 Roughly around the Polynesia, okay. And so that's going to happen for pollination fuse pushed back by a couple weeks compared to the most people we talked to in 15:05 the corner and of July end of July as let's say first week of August. Okay. We like like to see around you will like to see tassels around like when you 15:15 but Usually you will see them popping through others. Okay, I'm bad years August five, right? You don't want to see them, right? Okay. So 15:26 last year you did have a little bit of that you expect that but you a drought years fairly unusual and 15:33 you're part of the world. We get to and 2020 and 2020 on. Yes, right? Yeah, not a disaster but dry. 15:41 Yeah. Okay on your on your expectation for this year. Then you want to grow your numbers you give us number 65 bushel being her 95 bushel corn 80 bushel wheat? 15:52 Where's all that go? Is it even come to the United States? No, I don't think so. I love 16:00 goals over the corn is pretty. local or will mainly be local some export Market, but the mainly for the dogs and 16:12 chickens. And there because there are livestock farms in Quebec and they're kind of protected in some way with the whole quota system 16:23 on milk. There's no quotation is there there's quarters quota system on chickens. And by the way, if you don't know we're talking about deer listener. It's called Supply management. You you 16:32 can you can Bruce all the milk you want. But if you don't have the rights to the quota, you'll have nowhere to process it. That's kind of the way things working in Canada. You can 16:41 process it but you have no price for it. Yeah, right. You can only get process priced and processed on what you 16:48 are allowed by the quota system in the same thing goes for poetry. Okay. So you've got most of your your corn stays local for livestock production. Would you 16:58 say you think the week goes that's why we did also local but our beans is going a lot overseas and I would 17:06 say 50/50 local and Export and all about GMO, you know Europe had the ban on GMOs and then there's the still a debate 17:17 and I'm guessing where you are. There's a bit more of a raging debate. Does it matter do you grow GMO corn? Ah 17:23 it was the A big non-GMO beans rat not Rally, but it was used like 10 years ago. Yeah. 17:37 but the the varieties are not that good they can then they use doesn't compare with the no with the GMO. 17:50 First and the price they give us a little bit more. Or the non-GMO beans but not enough to cover. the price of the herbicide 18:04 and the yield loss. So you're saying you do produce genetically engineered soybeans. On my farm. Yes. It's G movies and on corn. 18:15 GM or GMO corn Yep, okay, and we still have genetically engineered wheat? No, right. Okay. So why like a 18:26 few more questions here on this whole situation on your operation then because you're a bit more north than we always talk 18:32 about how when it finally turns it turns. You know, it happens to place like me in in Indiana where I'm from. You see these 18:38 guys. It's like they wait until the conditions are right and then by golly when the conditions are right, it's a Sprint same conditions for 18:44 you. Same situation. Does it turn does it turn nice and it's like Sprint time. Uh, yes, you have to go when it's 18:52 time to go you have to do. Yeah, what about whatever on the back end little little less forgiving on the back end also sudden you look 19:02 you got a blizzard in November first. Yeah last year on November 8th. We're in t-shirts. It was like 80 degrees. 19:12 And we got six inches of snow on November 15. Yeah, right. He didn't have a lot of time window there that happens 19:19 a lot. Okay last couple of questions for you. Who's your help? You know, we talked to guys like Kelly. He's got a lot of acres to cover. He's got employees. He's got a lot to 19:28 manage. He's managing employees. You know, you talk our buddy Chad. He's got some employees, but he really likes to be out there touching 19:34 the equipment. What are you are you are you are you the situation where you're touching the equipment all the time. Are you managing other people touching the equipment? What's it look like 19:43 I'm the blender guy. I'm the combine guy. About I'm not anymore this prayer guy. I'm supervising. 19:57 On the Aldi Aya I have to you know, when the field operator or the high speed disc is in the field. I always have to go into. 20:06 You to go and check. Yeah. every time is that because you're a control freak Sam or is it because there's actually things that need to be addressed. 20:18 I'm anxious, maybe. Mm-hmm and I I wanted to be just perfect. Well, everybody appreciates that. Okay, then the other part 20:31 of that is you said feel gold evader or the high speed disc you are conventional also in your tillage you do a little bit of no till wheat and everything else gets killed or 20:42 what's your tillage program? It will there we will have I will have some fields. Which can be prone to flooding. 20:55 So I'm not still piling them. I I have in this in the fall you will now you will not tell them in the fall or you 21:05 will to learn about I won't. So I will just work them in this room. lightly 21:13 Yeah, got it with the high speed this got it. So are there regulations on tillage because you've got the tillage you get the regulations on those around the flooding grounds? Yes. 21:25 Flooding grounds because they don't want it tilled because it'll silt into the river. Yeah, so what's that mean? No tillage at 21:31 all or only tillage after some for it's you for trying to bring that for a couple years, but it's you for this year or next year. 21:41 will have to put these these Acres at least 10 person in a and we can do any tillage at all 21:50 in the fall. Yes, but at least 10% and what? and a perennial dress, ah, really 10% of field because it's near a river. Yep. Okay, is it gonna be the 22:01 Border along the river that you're putting? Yeah, my needs to be 10% of the of the acreage of the food, okay? 22:08 So that means print that means you don't ever tell it. No. Okay, so you don't do it and you don't you know 22:18 Harvest it? No, not that in person. Okay. So it's a pretty it's a conservation program. Yeah here in the US we have the right Perry and buffer strip program through 22:29 the conservation Reserve program as I think we're talking about you get paid for that though. 22:33 Oh, I give I could get paid if I took out my stuff along a creek and put it I know but there's a lot of guys. 22:41 She mad about that. Situation and a lot of guys that are mad about having 10% of their cropland being forced about it's not it's 22:49 not the best ground like last year. I was able to plant it July 3rd. and it only made like 23:00 when if I used 30 bushel beans, yeah. So you're you're are you told which 10% or do you take your worst 10% and put it in? 23:10 repeat that are you instructed on which 10% of the fields or is it your choice? No, it's my choice. It's our 23:18 choice. Do you take the crap? Yeah, yeah, you will. Well, they put it where the lowest lowest ground but you don't get paid. 23:27 No. That seems like I might create some financial hardship for the producers. Yeah. What? 23:34 personally, I only have like I think it's 60 Acres along the river. Okay, so we'll be six acre. Yeah, so that it's you're not 23:43 gonna go broke on six bad Acres. Okay, so you can't tell you got some regulation on that and then answer me this what's your big excitement thing about 2023 looking into 2023 23:53 or recording this at the end of April? What are you excited about? What are you looking at saying? Here's something I'm gonna do. I know you're going to a trial for us. So tell us about well your 24:02 time it's excited about trying to charge. From my group like USC. Okay neutral charge from agrotechusa something excites you and then what other what are any of practices or any 24:13 other? Things you're going to implement your excited about. gonna 24:22 try to manage better my fertilizer. Things I will do differently. I want to try. later application 24:34 what's From what the guy learned from later you're gonna try later application of what a fertilizer. Okay. 24:42 So you're gonna you're gonna start doing like we've talked about a lot with some of our you know, Partners from Agra liquid 24:48 and Natures. For instance. We talk about spoon feeding at the time of at the time of greatest demand and influence on 24:54 the Cropper. You have not done much of that before. Um, usually I in beans I stop around R1 or two. 25:04 But this here, I want to try out R4. And then the corn I don't go. Last year, I didn't go at all at VT after what 25:14 VT? That's okay after tassel. You didn't do any anything at all last year. So I might try some. 25:26 Some things to do. A tassel this year. So your excitement is you're gonna try new product from agrotec USA called neutral charge. The other excitement is you're gonna 25:34 start doing later season fertility and see if we get trigger something else from the planet. Well, let's face it. You're learning all this from your buddies and extreme AG that said, you 25:44 know, what like our buddy Chad and and Temple the send it guys. They they send it twins. They they put they put stuff 25:50 out when you think is it time to run the combine. I'm gonna treat this one more time. 25:55 A trial you were going to a trial force. Was that still on the works? I think there's two more. 26:03 at least A third one? Okay. So we'll keep you will keep in you when you get your trials for sure mapped out and they're going then we'll do 26:10 another recording you tell us all about it. Then you're excited about your fertility. You're excited about a couple of new things you're 26:16 changing is at the last thing you're excited about for are you excited about maybe hanging out with me more in 2023? Oh, yes, I hope so. Yes. Anything 26:23 else my friend Sam? No God, his name is Sam of the north his real name of Sam. Could you but we call him Sam of the north and he's an extreme 26:32 AG affiliate stay tuned because it's kind of cool to talk to somebody from a foreign land who's got a little different set of circumstances. You 26:39 can learn some things from him and I'm guessing to get the kind of yields. He has he's had to be somewhat creative and 26:45 do things a little differently. So anyway, we'll stay tuned with him. He'll be doing some trials Force so next time thanks for being here Sam. 26:51 That thinks you bet. I'm Damian Mason with extreme acts cutting the curve. Thanks for listening to another edition of cutting the curb for more insights and information that you can apply to your farming 27:00 operation. 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