00:00 We are talking today about farming through a drought and our resident expert in extreme. AG. We've got all kinds of experts right. We've got five Founders plus 00:09 our Affiliates, but the one guy that comes to the absolute top of the conversation. We're talking about farming and difficult as in drought-like situations 00:18 is Lee lubbers of Gregory South Dakota Lee Farms a lot of ground up there. It's almost all dry land farming and God knows when we say dry. It can 00:27 be very dry. So we're gonna talk about the practices the products and also most importantly the personal preparation. Welcome to 00:33 extreme eggs cutting the curve podcast where you get a guaranteed return on investment of your time as we cut your learning curve with 00:42 the information. You can apply to your farming operation immediately extreme egg. We've already 00:48 made the mistakes, so you don't have to managing. Your Farm's Water Resources is a critical component to a successful and sustainable farming operation Advanced Drainage 00:59 system. Helps Farmers just like you increase their yields up to 30% with their technologically advanced Water 01:06 Management products visit ads pipe.com to see how they can keep your business flowing. Now here's your host Damien Mason. 01:25 Oh greens and welcome to another fantastic episode of extreme AGS cutting the curve, you know, it can be very anguishing. It 01:31 could be very stressful when you don't get good weather and farming well, imagine a place that is prone to dryness. That's what I talk about Lee Loopers. Thanks for being here. 01:42 Real quickly your operation Farms. What in Gregory, South Dakota? well, we farm corn soybeans and winter wheat 01:52 and Farm in West River South Dakota ain't for sissies. Especially not in a dry year. And by the way, that's one thing that the average non South 02:01 Dakota doesn't know that the South Dakota is refer themselves as East River or West River meaning there's a river that kind of 02:07 divides about why it's not even half. It's like about one third of the way over when you get east of it. It starts 02:13 to remind you of like the Midwest like where I'm from. It looks normal. There's Farm ground, they grow potatoes and stuff like that. I 02:19 don't know normal corn soybeans there used to be dairy farms there reminding me of my my area of Indiana you go 02:25 out to where he is and I've worked in Winter which is about I think 20 or 30 miles from you. It's a way different topography. Tell us about what happens when you go west river. 02:35 A lot more variability in weather you get large rainy vents, then go a long periods of time with nothing, you know soybeans 02:44 have been in our areas and it's back in the mid 1980s. We actually raised soybeans for the first time in 1986. We we 02:53 were like the first people that really did them on a larger scale but you know props of adapted going west Corn Belt is moved more West but yeah, 03:02 it's it's a little bit more trying and for weather, but hey we're used to it. Do you and our basically the same age? We're 52 53 03:11 years old, I think so when you were a kid, it was weak country right and and some oats and probably a little bit of corn. You're not 03:20 too far from Mitchell or the corn palaces what's changed? He said soybeans you were the first place to do it 03:26 and that was less than 40 years ago. Tell us about the change. Yeah, as a no-till started 03:33 to come into play That's when a lot of things transitioned in 1986. We raised 03:39 about 700 Acres of soybeans. That was the first time anybody raised anything of scale in our area people thought we were nuts, but 03:48 we were used to it and just getting going and then that's also when we started to shift away, we were not fans of Summer foul on 03:57 wheat. So we're trying to no till with what equipment we had and they're even do minimum till get 04:03 away from the summer fall and and actually continuous crop. And then a lot of guys 04:10 they raised, you know, oats and even sorghum and I remember in 1993 we started farming in. 04:18 Further west and Tripp county about 20 to 30 miles to the west and we were planting corn in the spring and people are coming up 04:27 to us and they couldn't but what do you guys doing out there with the planner? Everybody else's plant notes, and they said you can't raise corn 04:33 and Tripp county. Four years later there was corn everywhere. So yeah things started to change and then John 04:40 Deere actually coming out with that the no-till single blade opener really made a huge difference in being able 04:49 to plant beans and wheat successfully in no-till. So answer me this the reality of the weather problems is you know, it's more volatile West 05:00 River South Dakota obviously have hard cold Winters, but let's talk about the drought part of this. You're not having a drought this year. You were wet. You had you had 05:09 good moisture in the Dakotas are wet this year. All right. We actually started out bone dry. We got 05:16 only one snow last winter that was already December and then it was a brown winter. We had no snow cover by the end that 05:25 April the grass wasn't even green and up and looking good here. It was getting really grim and then it rained for over a day and we 05:34 got soaked up and everything took off and exploded and looking good. And then we were getting dry again. We went we planted with no rain delays just 05:43 went to we were done and it was time for another rain again, and we lucked out and we got a wetter period for about 10 days and okay 05:52 now but we work with very advanced weather forecasting guy and we're getting ready for dry weather again. The next 06:01 six weeks are gonna be a challenge. It's gonna be pretty lean from what we're learning from Simon Okay, 06:07 so you've got a weather consultant, you know most Farmers have a weather on their phone. They listen to it when they're driving around their truck. They watch it on the Evening News. They're obsessed about 06:18 the weather, but they don't have a weather guy. You have a weather consultant. 06:22 Yeah, we've been working with him for a better part of a decade. It's very Advanced forecasting we go almost a year out at times and 06:31 how and and so the average weatherman and the average. Gal that reads the weather on the news is probably accurate about 30% of the time. How is it with Simon? 06:42 He's very accurate. I never watched TV or listen to the radio on the weather. I totally there they're terrible. 06:51 So you just go what you go what Simon tells you. All right. So let's talk about the reality of the weather. You are dry more than not as Fair. 07:00 Yeah, yeah. Well we go through in a good year would probably be considered a drought in the eye State at time. Yeah, so 07:09 I get over 30 I get about 38 inches. I get about 38 inches of annual precipitation here at my farm in Huntington, Indiana. What's a normal precipitation year 07:18 and of course rain snow all together 38 inches last I looked here. What is it where you are? We're in the 18 to 20 of annual 07:27 precip and that includes snow and we've had years where the entire year is sub 10 inches. Okay, you know, so let's 07:36 talk about practices because you do a hell of a job getting yield out of your Acres practices first thing. I know we've talked about before on 07:45 this podcast. So dear listener go back and listen if you want we talked about what it's like to be 07:51 Almost all no-till 17,000 acres and only a few hundred of those Acres actually get killed and that's to fix a problem or to straighten out after doing a drainage project 08:00 or something like that no-tillas one of your practices that you think helps with water conservation, right? Absolutely, we value our residue. 08:11 So tell me about how why the person that is managing drought if they think it's gonna be a bad year which looks like it's shaping up 08:20 to be a bad year here where I am. We're in the 90s and we don't have any rain in the forecast. We haven't gotten any right here where I am. No till what do you think it saves you? 08:29 Is it does it make does it make a 10 inch precipitation year seem like a 20 inch because you didn't get the moisture worked out of it. 08:36 It doesn't make all the difference. But but it's huge. We have to manage our residue and keep it even so that we can plant into it and 08:45 do a good job. But that mulch is there for the earthworms and that's helping us out soil biology-wise and keeping our 08:54 ground working good and also ground cover keeping the ground cooler in the summertime. If you take bare ground and you check it 09:03 with the heat gun, you can it can be scorching hot. It's actually deadly to the plants to be over a hundred degrees at times in a 09:12 bad day and you can go and keep it down. You can cool it 15 20 degrees with good residue management. And once you get up 09:21 in the upper 80s, not only the start hurting your plants, but on soil temp, it starts shutting down biology and 09:30 all activity. Once you start cracking about 80 90 degrees. So the more we can keep that ground. On the March conserve moisture that's 09:39 huge for us because every time if we went out and just did Mass tillage we could be losing, you know half inch to 09:48 an inch of precept by the ground and that can be make or break for us sure. And so what you're saying is the no-till obviously helps but also you mentioned it 09:57 twice now the residue you make sure that there's cover there's stuff on top of your ground, you know, people talk about cover crops. You're not 10:03 even you're not necessarily cover crop guy. You just make sure that you've got something out there that's covering up that soil 10:09 because that it's just like when you dig down to mulch or in your house or something is there's moisture or anything there, right? Absolutely. Yeah, it makes a huge difference for us. 10:18 What about timing, you know Farmers love to look at the calendar and the only thing that makes farmer get more excited than the calendar is if the neighbor start 10:28 doing something because God knows when the neighbors pull the equipment out then they think they've got to you can probably hurt your moisture situation 10:34 by getting on it at the wrong time packing it down something like that. Talk to me about timing. Yeah, we know a no-till that we have to focus on 10:44 planting right and avoiding seed slot compaction. So there are times maybe we can't start as early. We've got to wait a few days but it's all 10:53 about the long game and making it through the whole season. So that's always our Focus. We plant based on conditions not on calendar 11:02 that we look at and also we like to spread ourselves out with varieties and maturities. We want things spread out 11:12 tasseling over three week period we don't want to tassel in one week because in our environment that could be that one bad week. 11:21 Okay. So so you think is better it's bases out your equipment and your time because you don't have a lot of employees for as many acres you cover. You told me in a previous recording one 11:31 of the reasons for no till was moisture conservation, but also just cost and 11:37 and Equipment usage and time and employees you don't have lot of employees 11:42 Yeah, we run lean and mean that's the way we run. What about I've wrote it here a note. Is there something you don't do that other Farms do that. You 11:51 think helps with managing drought? Is there any practice you don't do that other people do? We're not into like harvesting our 12:03 residue taking it off. We want to keep it on there. Some guys will look at bailing up their corn stocks and then the ground blows. We 12:12 don't want to do that. We want everything to stay in the field. We don't know do we draw either, you know bail of any the straw. 12:20 we don't we get the phone's been ringing off the hook for the last two months on that being a dryer here and they can keep ringing. That's it's 12:28 staying in the field going on the ground. Okay, so say so if I'm a big South Dakota is getting all kinds of dairy farms now, so if I'm a big dairy farm, and I'm moving from California 12:37 to South Dakota and I said, damn it. I need some straw. You're not gonna sell to me. 12:42 Nope. Got it. All right, we're gonna talk about practices and we were just talked about practices. We're going to talk about products. But before 12:51 we get into products, we're gonna take a quick break here and hear from our sponsor. 12:55 Hey Farmers want to save money on fertility without sacrificing yield Harvest last season's nutrients for this season's crop with extract powered 13:04 by accomplish. I'm Damien Mason. 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So we're all dry land. It'd be very hard to be able to tap into a vein 14:01 to get a weld that would even perform in our County. Yeah, during the growing season. I mean, let's just say during April May June July August, 14:11 I mean Yeah, if we break, you know ten inches of rain during that time, we'll consider that good on certain years. I mean, there's some times we can get 15 inches 14:22 or more during that time period but like this year we've had one rain event in the April one in 14:31 the beginning of June we had a wetter period and then we caught a couple showers over the weekend and the next six weeks are looking 14:40 pretty dry for us. So like when I think about camels they say that camels they can go like a day without drinking and then when they get there, they just drink a whole bunch of water. 14:49 That's kind of like wave precipitation works and Gregory South Dakota. I'm thinking it's kind of the camel effect, right? 14:55 Yeah, we're all about we want to get soak up that moisture. Keep it from sheeting off keep the residue there to get the water into the 15:04 ground and build it into our profile because if we do it right and plant correctly and and kind of help Foster our 15:13 crops along we'll have better root systems and they'll hold in longer. Like my brother says we're in the business of buying time when your crops 15:22 most years. Products I don't like that statement by the way products. The genetics have improved we've got better stuff to work with than when you and I were kids, right so drought 15:33 management is easier because of genetics and because of the products you're given am I right? Yeah, I absolutely been huge advancements in 15:42 genetics. When we look at our seat. We don't look at the cost the bag we look at the value that's in it. And so we're 15:51 always looking at good defensive hybrids. And we're looking at root scores drought scores how defensive they are that matters a lot in our 16:00 environment and we never look at anything. That's a racehorse. You know that somebody brags up like hey, it can do good. You know, we we 16:09 want consistency. You told me in a previous recording where we talked about. See you said something like I think your line was you never look at 16:19 ways to save money on seed because you think that every time you've ever tried that there's you did not 16:25 recoup you did the cost savings did not justify itself. yeah, if we cut corners on seed it's Yeah, the cost back to us could be tenfold and 16:36 you said that that the other thing when somebody pulls in driveway and they're from a lesser seed company they say our seed is 16:45 just like then you tell me to get back to the truck and leave right? Pretty much. Yeah, she can't be 16:51 a seed salesman and you can't be looking to bail straw and come on looper's farms. 16:55 Yeah, I I don't get a lot of love and and Christmas cards some seed salesman. So droughts drought stress on personal and 17:04 on the crop before we get the personal side, but let's talk about the products. You're big on stress mitigation products. Tell me what that looks like what you use and what the 17:13 results are. Well, it actually even starts with our core fertility. We have to have good fertility have with the 17:20 crop needs and have it balanced. We've noticed time and time again that while we've had people around us say, hey, my corn is firing. 17:29 And actually it's nutrient deficiency nutrient deficiencies if we can the plant and then it will fire. So our goal is 17:38 to keep our corn green or longer, you know again by the time hopefully the rain comes in time. So we're trying to buy time core fertility 17:47 growth Regulators. We're experimenting with some next-gen products and stress mitigation. We're going to be applying for different things 17:57 from different companies and all trying to Keep our plant functioning during hot dry periods, and we'll do a lot of very serious 18:08 comparisons this year. Stress mitigation use a couple of products that you actually putting in you put them in at planting or 18:16 you spray them over the top or what? We're doing a combination of both. Actually. We have some trials with some newer 18:24 ones in Furrow. We're going to experiment with a new folder one from agerson kind of looked at some preliminary data and and Kelly 18:33 worked with it last year and he had a dryer period it's awesome. Very promising results. We're gonna work with that. We're gonna work with the total 18:42 of four different products one. We've been versed with what more versed with for a longer period of time and that's very 18:51 adaptable product. We'll put that on let's fungicide or herbicide or anything. We are gonna make some actual individual passes separate 19:00 passes just for stress mitigation this year and that's on every crop. Uh, we're gonna Focus we've already got the wheat done 19:09 wheat has already been done that's been applied for head scab. Everything's been done. So now it's just the next 19:15 30 days up to harvest. So now it's up to Mother Nature and we've done all weekend and corn. We're just getting ready to this next 19:24 week and then soybeans most of those trials will be starting around R1 to R3 more reproductive time. Okay. 19:35 When it comes to then we're talking about stress mitigation. We're talking about drought management. Let's talk about the 19:41 personal side. It's different stuff business. You're kind of out there you farm with your brother. You don't do coffee 19:48 shop talk and that's one thing we're always proud of about here extreme. AG. We don't do the coffee shop crowd. We do intelligent discussion. We're trying to advance our our businesses. 19:58 Kind of a loner a little bit though. You look out there. It doesn't rain tomorrow. It doesn't rain every day you go to the rain gauge. It's kind of like well when they're 20:07 gonna be something fill this thing up. How do you handle that? Would you turn to how do you keep from getting stressed do you get stressed? Do you 20:14 what's it like? While we know we can't control that aspect so we don't want to lose too much 20:22 sleep on it or any sleep. It can be frustrating at times especially if you see your crop weather and that rain is not coming that they 20:31 you know, it's like man we spend how many million dollars, you know to get this crop in the ground and and yeah 20:37 watching it burn up is no fun and and we've seen that. I mean no 12 we had some there was barely worth combining but 20:46 then we had some fields are very good. But we also learned a lot from that year and we've added 20:52 advancements and genetics since then and now we're kind of working on this dress mitigation aspect of it. We're more dialed in on that 21:01 than we was 10 years ago, and I guess it's happened to positive mindset. I mean if If you plant your crop in the spring figuring it's 21:10 not going to do good. Guess what you've lost half the battle right there. It's positive mindset. I mean 21:16 We're planning on having. Well the way my brother and I look at it. We have the same. Let's raise the best possible crop we can for what Mother Nature is 21:25 gonna allow. Yep. It comes right cannot dictate that if it's a hail storm, we can't dictate that. Yeah, so I think it'd be 21:36 very stressful. And I mean I I get to I get stressed with my business. It's it's natural because you're trying to achieve you can't 21:42 control the weather, but you can't make certain decisions health habits. Do you have good health habits 21:48 to help you stay positive. You know people say oh, well, he's just naturally happy guy. A lot of people that are naturally happy actually work hard at it. They do certain things that that 21:56 make them be positive. You have help you have good habits. while the most powerful tool you have in the 22:03 field and out of the field is right here sure my And then also I have an awesome family people that I can talk to have some really good friends. We can 22:12 bounce ideas off of yeah. The best thing is don't keep it bottled up inside. Don't take it out on yourself because 22:22 If I go through if we go through a drought it's not our fault. We we've done our best and 22:28 Yeah. All right. So you you farm with your brother who's better at managing weather stress you or him. You're the more 22:35 you're the more the business guy and he's the more practices guy. Am I right? 22:40 Yeah, it's like yin and yang. It's weird. We did we just talk about it and And I don't we we handle it pretty 22:48 much the same it it's right not probably the normal situation. But the way we both view it it's and it's like hey, we've 22:57 done what we can it sucks. But we keep moving on and so we're Diversified multiple crops and spread 23:06 out a little bit geographically. So reading a risk different soul types different planning dates. We're doing a lot of things to 23:15 mitigate and manage that risk we're doing a lot of to spread that out. So we feel pretty good about it. You know, we've dealt with 23:25 droughts before this year. We're not getting discouraged. We're like keeping our eye on the prize. Were you better 23:31 at the stress when you're younger or you better at it now? Better at it now. Yeah, I I think that 23:38 that's I think that there is a thing when you're 25 or 30, you know that there's things you don't know but you're almost still arrogantly ignorant. So so 23:48 now you get to be a certain age, you're like, all right. I'm not as ignorant because I've lived through I've lived through it. I've obviously done something right 23:54 because I'm still standing right and then I think that it's kind of like 23:58 For me, it's probably the same for you. Wait a minute. Is it gonna kill me? Because it didn't kill me the last time it happened and the time before that and so you're a little more shall always 24:07 say resilient because you've already weathered the storm a couple of times. Exactly. Yeah, it's you know, the shock 24:14 is worn off. I guess you can say from the weather standpoint. You got this drought thing going on. What what key things do 24:24 you dial into I mean you got and and you're still saying I can solve a just crop right? It's getting dry. I can sell this. Crap. What thing do you go out there? What? What are 24:33 you looking at? What what thing do you dial into and say this is all this is the one thing I can do to make a difference. 24:39 Is there anything? It's just focus on doing a good overall job, you know get it 24:47 in the ground right plant good seed have fertility in the place have your inferral program in place. I mean focus on 24:56 raising that good crop and the more we focus on that in in the broad scheme. 25:04 The better we seem to do during our stress periods. It seems to me that most of what you've talked about Lee is preventive. 25:11 It's kind of like the Three Little Pigs the straw house The Twig house and The Brick House the pig, you know, the brick house was all done ahead of time. 25:20 You're talking about no till you're talking about you said you farm based on conditions not on the calendar. He said you are religious about 25:26 even distribution of residue that Therefore insulates your soil and protects it and holds in some moisture. Those are all preventive things. 25:35 Those are not fix after the problem things. Yeah, exactly, you know a more proactive mindset and coming into it 25:45 instead of being reactive and being totally emotional. That's when you're going to feel more discouraged, you 25:51 know. When you say you're better at managing the weather stress now than when you're young. What'd you do wrong back? Then? Why are you 26:01 better at now? Besides of fact, you've got some years of experience or something that you've you decided you're gonna put up something 26:07 that you do now differently and you did 20 years ago. While we've transitioned to the no till system and we've got more years under our belt 26:16 and I was talking to a couple landlords recently and they even come in it too. They said the longer you farm our ground the better it seems 26:25 to do and I go yeah, we're noticing that too. So takes a while. It's it's nothing happens overnight, you know, it takes time and it's 26:34 like we're getting better soil function fertility biology everything's happening and that's helping us during these stress 26:43 periods also, So back to the stress period about you because we said we're talking about the personal Alpha lot Farm people don't do a 26:50 good job, but discussing the personal side of it. It's a stressful job. It's a stressful business again. You can be kind of out there but you you are a loner 26:56 you do fine with your brother. So you and him both talk through these things. Made that you've been stressed where the weather and you 27:05 honestly didn't didn't sleep at night if you had that. I can't think of that has been. You know, you're you're pretty well insured so that 27:20 probably has to help. Yes. Yeah, we use crop insurance. But basically we view crop insurance like we also 27:29 view income tax. Let's go farm. Let's do the best job we can and we'll deal with the taxes after we 27:37 raise the crop with our tax planning. We do our tax planning, but we deal with taxes in the backside. We don't let it hinder or influence our business. 27:48 Same way when it comes around to practices or stress or anything else. It's like an insurance. Let's focus on doing the best job. We can we're not farming for 27:57 crop insurance. We we went and it's a numbers game. We look at it and it's all ratios. 28:06 We can pick our coverage in about a 15 minute period and that's even when we visit with our agent. We've kind 28:12 of got a system down. It's strictly numbers and it's ratios and ocean out of it. And we make our choices. We let our 28:21 bank know and they go. Yeah, we think you made some good choices and then we go about our day and let's go raise that crop. We 28:27 don't what we're what we're gonna do for practices if you had I get it. So you're you're not farming for the insurance where there used to be a critical a criticism 28:37 of some farming operations. They just Farm to the insurance you farm for crop and then insurance is your backup. It's it's kind 28:43 of like hit by a bus policy. If you had the worst drought these experience in the last 20 or 30 years. If you had that this year your crop insurance still make you profitable 28:52 or just cover your cover your ass. In our area. Well, everything is actuarials, you know on any insurance all that 29:04 risk is priced into premiums. Yep. We have friends in Indiana. We look at what their coverage is and their premiums is they're paying a third of 29:14 the premium and Evan way more coverage because they don't have the Lost histories that we have in our area with the Wilder swings 29:20 and weather and we are a higher risk area. I think South Dakota and Texas are the two states in North 29:29 Dakota. I think it's third. That's the top three I think demonities so that tells you kind of tough places the 29:36 farm maybe maybe those insurance companies here trying to tell you you should just pick up Stakes that only a fool would be farming there. Is that what they're trying to tell you? 29:46 I don't listen very well advice somebody that's that's really struggling with a dry Year from the standpoint of 29:55 the practices the products that of course the personal any advice. You've got you whether a lot of this you're you've been 30:01 doing this for 30 some years. You're good at it. What's your advice? Don't give up. Don't let it get the best of you. 30:10 There's people out there that care about you reach out to them talk to people that you network with talk about the issues you're having 30:19 but don't never let it get to you to the point where you're not going to be there. I've seen that happen before that's 30:27 that's terrible that bothers me every time I hear it when I get best of someone and don't let that happen and biggest thing 30:36 is is the odds of one year totally change in her dictating the history of your operation. That's not going to do it, you know manager if you can Define your risk work 30:49 on managing it if you are in a high risk area or if you feel like hey, I need to buy more Insurance a higher rate do that do what you're comfortable level 30:58 is for your business work with your lender again work with your lender have a good lender talk about these things 31:04 be proactive not reactive because there's some of this stuff in the backside. Hey, guess what then it is a loss but if you are active mindset, you can 31:13 stay ahead of it and Define that risk and do some strategies to manage it. Maybe you're not gonna contract physical bushels me do more 31:22 edges. Maybe you're gonna do more paper to limit your risks. You don't get locked into delivery of something you don't have 31:30 You know, I mean be adaptable. There's a lot of good right there. guys, you just can't use 31:39 as a fire hyd rant we started just all that but I like it all because we just said there was you're not gonna you can't change the weather 31:47 and you you have a weather consultant so that way you are. Knowledgeable and you also can be predictive you talked 31:54 about preventive into practices. It's all about preventive because once it's once it's August it's not raining. 32:00 You can't do anything. It's all the stuff ahead of time. You talked about products you use for stress mitigation also talked about why 32:06 you should buy good seed that absolutely is one of its biggest traits is drought tolerance. You just 32:12 talked about you just talked about then the way you view insurance and you should spend as much on insurance as it will allow you to still be profitable most importantly so 32:21 that you're not a stress basket, right? And then you talked about the personal side of it making sure you get somebody you can hash things out with because you keep 32:30 bowled up that we know there's a reason why farmer suicide rates are three to five times what they are and Main Street the United 32:39 States Society, so and that's a tragic thing. Good good advice there at the endley. Hey, just people just gotta hang in there. If you're 32:48 having an adverse year, that's not gonna be every year. All right, so his name's Lee lubbers. My name's Damien Mason. You've been listening to cutting the curve check out all 32:57 the great stuff. We have at extreme AG dot Farm extreme agnot Farm. 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