Packing On The Pounds: The Power of Late-Season Nutrition at Commodity Classic 2025

00:00:00 Welcome to 2025 Commodity Classic. If you missed it, we had our opening was a pancake breakfast brought to you by our friends at John Deere 00:00:08 and us at Extreme Ag. It was amazing. We had a match game. We gave away some awesome prizes. 00:00:14 You're gonna have a chance to win prizes here as well. You're also gonna have a chance to learn something. We always make this fun. 00:00:20 We want this to be enjoyable for everybody. I want you to know about our panel. Our panel is Johnny Rell Jackson, Tennessee Farmer 00:00:28 and also Extreme Ag guy, temple Romes from a Centerville, Maryland. Yes. They farm in Maryland, believe it or not, quite a bit. 00:00:36 And he is an extreme ag guy next to him going on down the line is our friend Matt Miles, our friend from Arkansas down in a part the country 00:00:45 that's very difficult to farm. It's not very politically correct, but he calls his little part of the world, little Vietnam. 00:00:51 And then we got Tommy Roach, our friend from Nature's. It's right down here on the end and we are talking to you about packing on pounds. 00:01:00 You do not sell bushels. Counter to what you might think you sell pounds. And I want you to talk about 00:01:05 this and think about this really quickly. Would you do me a friend? Hey Jack. Hey Jack, would you do me a favor? Come up here. 00:01:10 Would you talk about packing on pounds? You go out there and you look at your crop Jack and I got a question for you. 00:01:16 Do you want your crop to look like our intern Jack or do you want your crop to look like our friend Matt, right here. 00:01:26 So you got a question here? Go ahead and stand up. I'll take you Jack. All right, now we like Jack. He's a great intern. But if Jack, if Jack was your corn 00:01:37 or soybean crop, you'd say really nice looking kid. Beautiful crop. Not gonna put much in the hopper. I need some natures. Yeah, you need some natures. 00:01:46 Exactly right. And then by the way, he's an intern, but he is also my protege. I'm teaching him all sorts of things. Say something funny. 00:01:55 Oh you're putting me on the spot. I'm not a comedian like you are. You're exactly right. Always remember that. Leave the jokes to professional. 00:02:02 Anyway, Jack's awesome. So what we want is we want our crops to be husky, strong, vigorous, willing to be Matt Miles or temple roads. 00:02:12 Anyway, we got another person up here that's not exactly what I'd call a big packed on weight kind of a crop. 00:02:18 The point is, you want to pack on the weight, you sell pounds. We can talk about 56 pounds per bushel, 00:02:24 60 pounds per bushel soybeans. The reality is when the truck goes across the scale, it's all about pounds. 00:02:29 So how do you get more pounds? Tommy, you proposed this topic. I want you to go ahead and open me up here about the, the, 00:02:35 the point of packing on pounds and what most farmers are maybe not seeing. And you're gonna help to see the light with our cast 00:02:41 and crew here from extreme ag. So here's in three, three words I guess late. Yes. Late season nutrition. 00:02:52 That is where you pack on the pounds and all these guys, several of 'em out here. That's how they do it. 00:02:59 You have to, yes, it's important what you put on the planter, but it is equally if not more important on what you do 00:03:08 during certain points of the season. And that's how you pack on pounds By the way. And when we 00:03:13 talk about test, we talk about packing on the pounds. I said, are we really talking about adding test weight? And Tommy said, well, not necessarily. 00:03:21 'cause the main thing is getting as many pounds off of the acre as possible. My friend Johnny Rel says, 00:03:25 well let's start with test weight. You add you do you do better than normal on test weight and your farming operation? 00:03:30 And if so, why do you think a couple of the keys are to doing so? Yeah, Test weight's a big part of our operation as far 00:03:36 as getting those extra pounds in there. You know, not disagreeing what Tommy said. Probably dam's wanting us to disagree up here. 00:03:41 But at the end of the day, you know those late season applications we can either fly on or run the ground rig. 00:03:47 You can really start packing those nutrients in and you know, it doesn't take a lot, A lot of times you're already doing an application. 00:03:53 You can put a product in there through nature's out there and see what you can do to actually add those pounds. 00:03:57 And it's not a special application. Temple does do a lot of extra applications. Me and Matt usually pack them in on 00:04:03 what we're already going across the field. But at the end of the day you add just a couple of pounds of test weight on a couple hundred bushel 00:04:09 corn crop, that's 400 pounds. It doesn't take long to start adding up. Alright, I Know that you said it really wasn't about test 00:04:15 weight, but it kind of is. And you know, there's gonna be somebody that says, well I have a hard time putting test weight 00:04:20 on because of my climate. I have a hard time putting test weight on because I have to harvest before the hurricane or whatever. 00:04:24 When you think about test weight where you are, Mr. Matt, go ahead. So last time I checked, cotton does not have test weights. 00:04:33 I was, I was gonna ask a minute ago, it was driving me crazy, my OCD and the A DHD was kicking In. So, so that's why 00:04:41 I'm like, what Crops are we talking about Here? That's why I had to kind of remove the, remove the bushel 00:04:47 and test weight thing because we have the, the bulky husky example up here, Right? The non jack, 00:04:54 as we call 'em all, it's, I wanna know the different, the definition of Husky. Is that fat or not fat? Well, 00:05:02 In one of our episodes, one of our episodes of the Grainery, you guys have might have all been watching the Grainery show. 00:05:06 Who here's watched our Grainery show. Yay. We talked about big bones. All right, you're just a big bone individual, alright? 00:05:13 It's not about test weight, but it is about getting as many pounds you sell cotton by the pound. How do you get more 00:05:19 Pounds of cotton than Maybe the guy down the road? What are you doing late season as Tommy talks about to add pounds of cotton? Well 00:05:25 It's the same way, you know, as it would be with test weight and you, you brought up the, you know, what about the hurricanes? 00:05:32 You know, you gotta get it out early or whatever. Tom and I have worked on this for a long time where, where y'all are going a little later than I am to get 00:05:39 that test weight or more pounds, I'm, we, we tried that early and we've got so much heat at that point that we started backing that up. 00:05:47 So we're seeing big bigger seed size, five beam pods, four beam pods when we try to do these mid-season applications, we just have 00:05:55 to do it a little earlier than a guy, guy that's got a little milder temperature. Well you also run through the problem Matt, of you 00:06:02 with the heat that you have down there. Your crop is rushing so hard in order for you to get in those windows. 00:06:08 Your windows are a lot shorter than what mine are or John even John's, you know, so we can actually get in there windows you, 00:06:15 it's almost impossible for you to do that sometimes. So you found out that you get in front of that curve, you're a lot better off. 00:06:21 Yeah, if we get in front of the curve then we've got a better chance of hitting the bullseye than if we're behind. 00:06:26 When, when we get behind the curve then it, it's probably not a good thing to do. But as long as we stay in front of that, 00:06:33 then then we can do it. And another thing about that, what y'all talking about, about doing it later, and Chad 00:06:38 and I talk about this a lot with this dry land, you y'all got dry land. If you're front loading that stuff early 00:06:44 and you have a drought, you're out. But if you can, if you can just kind of, you know, tiptoe around that and go later, 00:06:52 then you know you've got your crop made by the time you do it. Alright, By the way, I think it's an important thing 00:06:56 to talk about geography. The person from Ontario Canada is gonna say, well I can't do that where I am. 00:07:03 And that's different in Arkansas. Remember we're not trying to say that we all know how to farm where you are, but many 00:07:07 of these principles overlap no matter where you are geographically. Some of the principles apply. 00:07:12 I want you to kind of talk about that. You know, with a late season you harvest your, for instance, your corn, you're harvesting your corn in August to try 00:07:20 and catch or even before that to try and catch the river market. As you say, you're harvesting it almost prematurely, 00:07:25 but you still have to have the pounds. So speak to that. Yeah. So we'll start harvesting 00:07:29 usually the middle of August. Matt's a little bit ahead of me. I'm about four hours north of him, 00:07:34 but at the end of the day, we're both trying to harvest on our high end premium on our corn crop and capture that money also. 00:07:40 'cause if we put the time and money into getting extra weight out there, extra pounds out there, we want to capture all the money we can out of it. 00:07:45 The flip side is that something Matt just talked about a little bit. The weather where we are, the humidity 00:07:50 and the temperature, we can add all the test weight we want to it and get two or three big rains on it 00:07:55 and the disease set in and we can lose a tremendous amount of test weight. Our test weight could drop three 00:07:59 or four pounds in one rain event if the humidity and temperature's high. So for us, that's a lot of, it's a lot of movement parts. 00:08:05 But if we're gonna put that into the crop, we need to make sure we can keep it all the way to harvest. When we're talking about this thing about adding weight, 00:08:12 do the principles apply across all crops? When you corrected me, it wasn't about test weight on corn. When it comes to cotton, do the same principles apply from 00:08:19 rice to cotton to beans to lentils to edible beans? Talk to me kick Tommy. It really does. So one thing that Johnny said 00:08:31 is when we're talking about this, we're not seeing to make extra passes. We're not being extra special like temple 00:08:37 that makes extra passes. But this is talking about taking advantage of, of Tesla, of of tank space that you are already doing. 00:08:48 Whether it's herbicide, deicide, fungicide, there is available tank space that you can add nutrition, especially small amounts 00:08:57 of microbes at certain times make a huge difference. By the way, when you say wait hold, when you say tank space, you mean in a sprayer, right? 00:09:05 'cause have you ever heard of anybody so backward as that they called a grain bin a grain tank? Damien, why don't you just be quiet for a minute. 00:09:13 Um, when you talk about, uh, nutrition that the key is, is the right nutrition, right? That's, that's where we're talking about packing on pounds. 00:09:23 The wrong nutrition at the wrong, wrong time is just plainly the wrong nutrition. And that's where all this things come in. 00:09:31 How many times have you heard every product on the market is snake oil? None of them are snake oil. None of 'em are. 00:09:38 But do we know how to use 'em? Right? I don't care if it's foliar nutrition or whatever it might be. 00:09:43 Tommy, talk about the right nutrition at the right time. If they're applied at the wrong time, 00:09:47 they would be considered a snake oil, Right? And, and so I I do this analogy all the time. So when we're talking potassium nutrition, 00:09:59 you've got a whole laundry list of things that you can use versus say nitrogen. 00:10:04 You only have four or five different types. You can use phosphate. There's three potassium's not that way. 00:10:11 But in terms of everybody, everybody likes steak, it's beef, but within cut of beef there are some that are better than others. 00:10:23 I would rather have a flat iron, a tenderloin versus a chuck roast. They're, they're all beef but some are better than others. 00:10:33 Same way with potassium. And it's called, what's it called? Aate? Yes, There it is. 00:10:40 Okay. It's bio. Okay. Do you have any questions from the audience? Anybody wanna go a little further on this? 00:10:44 Anybody want to talk about what's going on? We got a question over here. Hang on a second. So to say use available tank space question. 00:10:54 Uh, is there something to be careful On what you're Mixing? Like should you be trying to feed a crop? 00:11:00 Say when you're, I don't know, trying to kill a crop like mixing with your herbicide pass or you need, are you gonna counteracting yourself to, 00:11:09 So remember when you're, when we're talking nutrition, it can go both ways. You need nutrition for the plant 00:11:17 but you also need vehicles to get said chemistry into the weed. So it works both ways. 00:11:25 Like with finish line, it, it's both a nutrient, but because it's got three carriers, it helps to transport set AI to get a better weed cure 00:11:37 Packing on pounds. When I first brought up the topic, what was your initial thought? 'cause you always do a good job temple of coming up 00:11:44 with an initial thought like, well, when I think about patenting on pounds, I think of, well when I, 00:11:49 When the first thing that I always think about is, is like that late season application, which 00:11:54 what you really gotta do is nature's got some really cool little charts, whether it's corn, beans, wheat or whatever. 00:12:00 And it's a nutrient uptake chart. If you pay a lot of attention to a nutrient uptake chart and you start to get these products that they have, 00:12:07 whether it's Bio K or whether it's you know, uh, first down or whatever, they've got ways 00:12:13 and they've got things that are in there. And if you can get right in front of everything in that nutrient uptake chart, 00:12:18 it makes a huge amount of difference. And that's kind of where that I fall at and I get right in front of each one 00:12:24 of those windows of opportunity. Alright, I know that we talk a lot about late season. There's a person that's gonna be out here to be tempted 00:12:31 to say, well if it only matters about late season, why do I even worry about anything that happens between March, April, may, June? 00:12:38 Would you talk to that? And then also talk about with Matt, because he's our first guy 00:12:43 of extreme ag that's out in the field. So we like to talk about it in terms of start to finish. 00:12:52 You need to start it and then you need to carry it all through, carry it through all the way to the end of the season. 00:12:58 Now what Temple was talking about is these nutrient uptake charts. More people get bogged down into what nutrient removal is 00:13:09 and they totally forget about how much plant has to take up in order to achieve that removal rate. And you know, potassium's 00:13:20 look probably one of the worst ones. They look at a soil test and assume that what we'll just say 00:13:28 that 250, 300 ppm a k is available to the plant. No, it's not. It's just a, it's an estimate of what might be available over time. 00:13:41 You're gonna have to add more K and we can get into, you know, om and, and base saturations and mag mag levels, all these things, uh, interact. 00:13:53 But basic facts are don't take your soil test values at heart. You've got to consider uptake, 00:14:01 you gotta consider removal availability, so on and so forth. Yeah, I think I, Yeah, I think a lot of things like 00:14:11 what he just said, you know, you kind of play into on corn V three, V four we're trying to put out nutrients then to try to manipulate that plant 00:14:17 to set more rows, round length, stuff like that in that timeframe. Beans we like doing that too 00:14:22 'cause we wanna make it hold more pods. So if we can get the plant started off right and get the rows around length, all that figured out, 00:14:28 the pods get that set all the way along the way. And then if we can keep the moisture and the where we are, 'cause we're predominantly dry land. 00:14:34 We wanna pack those nutrients on all the way to the end. Matt has the upper hand there. 00:14:38 He's pretty much a hundred percent irrigated, so he's not worried about the moisture part. So he can really focus the whole entire year 00:14:43 where it could shut off dry and we lose a month of no rain and it really affects what 00:14:47 we're gonna do that crop at the end. Because if you don't have water, you can't make seed size, weight, stuff like that for us. 00:14:53 And Matt does have the upper hand a little bit on the cotton, you wanna talk about it, but how many applications you put 00:14:58 on a cotton crop in a year? Tell 'em how many that is and how easy that is to add on different products throughout the year. 00:15:04 Yeah, we've got several different applications for cotton and the, and the reason is we have a lot of insects. 00:15:10 So we're gonna have four to eight sprains just with insects. But as Johnny alluded, especially 00:15:16 with the irrigation we have, there's key times in the plant. We, you know, we talk about tissue samples, you know, and, 00:15:22 and people chase their tail with those. We're not looking at those tissue samples that year. We're looking at the tissue samples from the year before 00:15:28 or year, several years before. 'cause there's certain trends that those plants are gonna go in. 00:15:33 We have the opportunity with irrigation to hit those key growing periods and make sure that plant has the micros macros, 00:15:40 everything it needs through the year. And then our good friendly lu caused it round the basin. So we've done everything right. 00:15:47 We've, we've wrote the book all the way. The thing is, don't don't quit the crop and say, well this crop is done. 00:15:54 'cause there's several more places you can pack in bushels after the average farmer thinks that the crop's done. 00:16:00 So, by the way, Tommy, I want you to go with that because there's probably someone saying, all right, Matt talks about round the bases a big extreme ag, 00:16:07 but it's not necessarily in PK at that last thing, at each, at each juncture. 00:16:12 When Matt's talking about I've gotta go out and spray the bugs anyhow, I'm not, I'm guessing Matt's not putting the same stuff on at each 00:16:19 pass 'cause it's a different physiological need with that plant at each timeframe. So two, two things. 00:16:26 Um, a lot of people deal with, they want to deal with phosphorus and zinc up front because that's the easiest place to do it. 00:16:34 But yet if you look at uptake curve, phosphorus and zinc, more of it's needed post tassel than it is pre-task. 00:16:45 So small applica, you know, including zinc in fungicide sprays, uh, putting fo whether it's foliar phosphorus late in the year 00:16:56 or putting phosphorus in at a wide drop stage. I'm, I'm a big proponent of why drop doesn't matter if it's beans 00:17:03 or corn, why drop's a wonderful tool? Um, and one other thing. So I get all, a lot of times I get questioned, 00:17:12 I'm running across field spraying herbicide. Why should I put a nutrition in that tank if the corn plant's only this big, 00:17:23 I got all this bare dirt out there. Why should I do that? Why should I do that? Well you honestly, you shouldn't. 00:17:32 If you start to think about that uptake chart and you get in front of each one of 'em windows and we can spoon feed that thing all the way through, 00:17:39 there's a lot of times that we're putting stuff out there and we're literally giving it a reason 00:17:45 to lock up in the ground when we need it in the tail end. Why are we doing that? And a lot of the stuff 00:17:51 that we are been putting out there over the years have done us no benefit. But we keep doing the same thing over and over and over. 00:18:00 Talk about how, how some of you has some of your products putting it on foliar. What's the efficiency of 00:18:08 that versus spreading a dry up front? Because we've all been caught up in that. We front load our system, it goes out dry. 00:18:17 I'm not saying it dries is bad fertility 'cause it's not. What I'm saying is it's not efficient fertility. 00:18:23 Our biggest problem in agriculture that we're gonna have to overcome is we have to get efficient 00:18:29 because prices are high, all inputs are high. The other side of it's not so great and if we have a drought along the 00:18:37 way, we're in big trouble. And then, and you can't. So if you front load everything, it's not allowing you 00:18:44 to adjust on the fly you've already spent. I mean you've got a certain amount of money that you're gonna spend on nutrition 00:18:51 and if you put the majority of it up front, it doesn't allow you to adjust on the fly. If, if conditions are bad, 00:18:58 you can just say I'm not spending more money on that crop. But if they're good and you really wanna do something, 00:19:04 if you've spent it all up front, you're SOL, I'd rather have some money left over to spread it out to where these points of influence are later on the year. 00:19:15 Any questions from anybody? We wanna hear questions. Hang on. I got one over here from Huntington, Indiana. Natives Dan Blocker. 00:19:21 So you're talking about, I might say doing recipes. So I'm assuming, are you tissue sampling and a soil sample weekly every other week to 00:19:32 get your ideas what you're wanting to put in the tank? Yeah, so we start off soil sampling of course we kinda all, at least I've changed this 00:19:38 and over the snap testing to try to see what the nutrients are doing in the plant. The cool thing about SAP testing, 00:19:44 you can actually see when you put a nutrient out, how good you're getting that nutrient in the plant and where it's moving to. 00:19:48 So that's been a big change on our operation this past year. Most of the guys are all talking about 00:19:53 going to more of that direction. Yeah, I, I do it weekly, the same day, the same time every week we go around 00:20:01 and pull, dry 'em off, send them off, get it back. You know, tissue samples is a lot more like reactive 'cause you're, by the time you get the tissue sample 00:20:09 to move, it's already too late usually. So do you wanna Speak to the SAP sampling, which the extreme ag guys are doing more SAP sampling is 00:20:15 more point in time so you know exactly what's happening now versus tissue sampling, which is not only not predictive, 00:20:21 it's, it's yesterday's news. Speak to that please. Yeah, so if I heard you right Damien, like so on the SAP test we're just basically trying to see 00:20:29 where the nutrients are in the plant and then depending on The growth stage of that, plant's gonna depend on what ear leaves were 00:20:36 taken or what leaves were taken. Whether there's the ear leaf or on up towards the top of the plant. 00:20:39 And so basically along those lines we're just basically trying to see if we're putting out a certain rate of fertility out, is it getting in the plant where it needs 00:20:46 to be and going to take that crop to the end. Because once again, the tissue samples for us has always been more reactive. 00:20:52 If I ever get that tissue sample to, to spike, it just doesn't stay there because a lot of times it's too late when we get the sample back 00:20:59 To, to kinda answer your question though, you were talking more about tissue samples. SAP samples will hold everything. 00:21:04 When we first started the tissue sampling every Monday at three o'clock, that's what we were told. Boom, boom, boom. What we've learned is, you know, 00:21:13 we call it chasing your tail. You're just, you, you're gonna get a diff something different all the time. 00:21:19 So if you are doing tissue samples, my encouragement to you is go out there prior to a, uh, a popular growth stage. 00:21:28 You know, like if you're talking about soybeans and you, you think you're gonna put something out. R three is a sweet spot for us on f your fertility, 00:21:35 putting out, you know, bio and everything. Go out there at R two, kind of see where the crop is and then look at your tissue samples from years before. 00:21:43 But to go out there and pull 'em every week anymore, we've, we've, we've gotten away from that all the way to Chad. 00:21:50 Don't maybe do two a year so that, that scenario that that's a way to do it. I'm, I'm not sure that I still buying to that. 00:21:58 We're working with the SAP samples too. It's a lot more in depth sample that gives you a better read on the 00:22:03 plant, you know, when you take it. Yeah. One more thing on the sta sample, like what we do is we make sure we like pulling 'em early in the 00:22:09 morning 'cause that plant is actually moving nutrients in it. 'cause where we are, it gets so hot 00:22:13 that plant shuts down in the afternoon. So we're real particular and if it's cloudy or something like that, I think sometimes 00:22:19 that can actually affect how that plant's working too. So we try to go like seven o'clock every Monday morning 'cause we'll have the samples back by Wednesday 00:22:26 and that gives us two days to address 'em. Alright, we got another question over here from our friend Jason. 00:22:31 Then we're gonna have to do a trivia question and give away some more money. I owe Kylie Effer from Kansas an opportunity to win a bunch 00:22:37 of money because she absolutely got screwed at the match game at the pancake breakfast and it's all on me. 00:22:43 So basically you're not even gonna have to work that hard to win this prize. Okay. I mean we're gonna ask you like 00:22:48 what town you're sitting in right now. Okay. But that's not the question. Alright, Jason Taylor, uh, Johnny mentioned uh, 00:22:54 feeding corner B three V four. What are you feeding it and how are you applying it? Yeah, so all of our stuff's gonna go out that stage. 00:23:01 A lot of ours gonna go out foliar. We don't wide drop yet. We're probably gonna go more to that. 00:23:06 We've been on 20 inch corn. Uh, we went back to 30 inch corn, so we're using string bars. 00:23:11 So a lot of times if we're wanting to put out some products we could put 'em out 'cause it's gonna be ground applied. 00:23:15 But we also started going back to putting out our nutrients with our herbicide pass just 00:23:19 because we're trying to eliminate a pass. Tommy's right? Sometimes that does not work. You gotta be careful what product you're doing from a tank 00:23:24 mix standpoint if it's gonna get in the plant. But just depending on what we think that plant needs, what we didn't put out early on, um, we try 00:23:31 to get away from more blanket applications early on and do more in season what we think that crop's need or what the samples are telling us. 00:23:38 Uh, we got a question right over here from uh, our friend in Minnesota. Guy Minnesota guy Mitch Minnesota. 00:23:44 Guy Mitch or is it for you? Oh, Kevin's asking a question. Yeah, My question is on uh, fulvic and humic acids 00:23:50 and the application and uh, try to help, uh, mining soil and, uh, all you guys all done with work with that 00:23:56 and how does that look like? Yeah, so like our phobics, we, we started adding a fulvic acid to pretty much all 00:24:03 of our late season applications to make that plant hopefully pull that nutrient in a lot faster. Our humid, we put out humid in furrow two by two. 00:24:11 We also put it out with our fertilized. So we actually stream our fertilizer over the top of our corn with stream bars. 00:24:16 Um, a lot of people think we're crazy. V three V four application. We're actually putting 50 to 80 gallons 00:24:22 of nitrogen out in one fast. But we do it by safe it up with humic acid. That's, uh, harvest source going in there. 00:24:28 It does a lot of things, makes the fertilizer a lot more efficient also. Alright, moving on. Test weight. 00:24:33 You don't like that adding weight? You like that we're talking about bulking things up, walking up your crop. 00:24:39 I want you to tell me now, top three strategies. What is my takeaway? I've got a whole bunch of information. What's the one thing I need to know? 00:24:46 Where have I lost pounds? Where did I not pack on the pounds? Where did Matt Miles screw up and get a bad harvest 00:24:53 and he could have prevented it. Where have you messed up that you can save them the grief? Well, you just need to know your plan. 00:24:58 You need to know when the key growth area stages are and know to be able to have some way to look at your nutrients, whether it's tissue samples 00:25:05 or sap samples prior to that. So you know where you can get the bullseye. You can throw this stuff as temple said earlier, 00:25:12 out all year long at the wrong time and as snake oils. But you've got to know the physiology of the plant and when, when it needs what it needs. 00:25:21 Where have you screwed up temple and lost pounds? Where has it caused you problems? Where have you messed up? Where I, where I've messed up was, 00:25:28 is years ago when we were fooling with, uh, foliar nutrition and you know, we used to get this call from a retailer 00:25:35 and be like, man, this is the best foliar feed micronutrient, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it was just like everybody else's stuff in the world 00:25:44 that it was just a random micronutrient that would cost five or $6 an acre and you would put it out 00:25:51 and you would never get a return on it. That's where I made a mistake is, and now when we start looking at that, that uptake chart of 00:25:59 where we know that crop itself can actually, we can start to balance the plant. 00:26:03 When we start to realize that we can actually balance the plant and not worry as much about balancing the soil, that's 00:26:10 where we started making differences. I want to add to that one thing while we're waiting on Johnny. 00:26:15 The right product is also important bio, okay, we've talked about that potassium outstate. That is basically the only way 00:26:23 to get potassium in the plant in a correct manner. So, and I know I'm giving, I'm giving bio, okay, a bump. But that it's absolutely, look at the data, it's, 00:26:32 it's definitely a true statement. There's not a false to that Along those lines. Not 00:26:37 all products are the same and how they get in the plant, I think is what Matt's saying. 00:26:40 But for me, quitting too early. You know, a lot of times we'll spend 15, 20 bucks on a fungicide application to really keep 00:26:47 that crop healthy and we won't spend any money on any type of nutrition that's gonna finish that crop. 00:26:52 Temple sent me some pictures this year in October. His corn would look like my ju July corn because he had kept it 00:26:57 so healthy from a fungicide and a nutrition Standpoint. So remember the first, the first stage in plant health is not from 00:27:07 fungicide, it's from nutrition. I mean, you go a long, you get that crop a long way with nutrition. 00:27:12 I'm not saying you're not gonna need fungicide to help eventually, but you can get it a long way with nutrition. 00:27:18 What's The easiest way to, for stress? I mean, we talk about stress medication, all litigation all the time was the easiest 00:27:26 way. Build the plant, right? The last statement. And then we're gonna invite these people tomorrow. 00:27:31 Why do you want these people to the last thought you want them to go away with about packing pounds on their crop, 00:27:36 Zinc and boron lake. That's all that ought to sum up everything. Look at, look at nutrient uptake and zinc and boron later. 00:27:45 Everybody's missing the boat. I, I'm gonna agree with that, but I think that you're, you're forgetting phosphorus 00:27:53 and you're forgetting bio K or potassium only. Pick one. I had to pick one. Oh, you get to pick one. 00:27:58 I thought we got to just talk about all of them. I mean, I was picking one maybe I said, 00:28:02 I mean, so if you use just those two, I'm gonna get a humongous response. No. Okay, I'm gonna Well, that's what you just said. 00:28:08 That's what you just told your whole audience. The point is, we talked about packing on pounds. It is an entire thing. 00:28:17 Late season matters, zinc and boron matter, but what really matters is rounding the bases, starting off right, and then making sure 00:28:25 that you don't stop too early. Even if you think I'm harvesting this crop early. That's what I heard. Is that my lesson takeaway 00:28:31 as the non agronomic agronomic person here? That's right. All right. Check out all of our stuff at extreme ag, 00:28:36 including our new show, the Grain Ring, where we have our friend Tommy Roach, and several of the episodes we're gonna stick around. 733 00:28:42.115 --> 00:28:44.815