When Did The Farming Confidence Switch Flip? | The Granary

00:00:00 When did the switch flip from being scared and convinced you're over your head to being poised and confident and absolutely sure 00:00:08 that you knew what you were doing. Talking to some grizzled veterans from the agricultural industry in this episode of The Granary about 00:00:15 that very topic, the why, the how, and the win of getting your confidence in this whole thing called production agriculture coming at you from the 00:00:23 grainery on a farm. The work's never really done. We're calling the day anyway because my friends from extreme ag are coming over. 00:00:30 You ready for a conversation with some real farmers about real issues? And the best part, you are invited. 00:00:36 Support yourself a drink, grab a snack. Most importantly, pull up a chair. Welcome to the greenery. Hey guys. 00:00:54 Alright, Matt, you heard the question? I think we're gonna remind the viewer again, nobody knows the topic 00:00:59 until I introduce it at the top of the show. Uh, Chad had a reaction because what'd you say? You said, I Don't know that I found the switch yet. 00:01:06 Like I'm in a room and I'm just running around dark and all of a sudden it's like I'm reaching on the wall. The switch flips. 00:01:13 When you go from being scared, I think you go from being do and young and overconfident to then, oh crap, 00:01:20 I'm in over my head to then. Okay, I think I got this. Is that what it is? If you ever get to the point where you say, I've got this, 00:01:28 that's when you're gonna start falling. I Think it sounds like it. I think it sounds like our dating 00:01:33 career, our wives, you know? Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, you know, have we gotten more confident in what we're doing? 00:01:38 Yes. But if you ever get to the point where you're like, I got this. I know what's gonna happen. I mean, 00:01:43 I think you start that point. You've, you've, you've overstepped your boundaries. Is it confidence or comical? 00:01:50 You're gonna have to explain it. Because if now at some point I'm thinking almost like it's almost comical when mess up what we think that we know, 00:01:57 that we, me and Tommy's just sitting here like, well, heck, I thought I knew that. You know? And at some point it's comical, you know? 00:02:02 Well, the crazy part is 'cause we're not us sitting here at this table. We're not proving ourself 00:02:05 Anymore. It's comical. 'cause I, every, almost every day I have somebody calling me saying, Hey, I've got, I've got this great thing. 00:02:14 I want you to try it. It's gonna give you, you know, 10 bushels, 20 bushels, whatever. 00:02:19 And that's why it's so comical that the, the idea behind it is great in that we're never, we're never at a point where we can't learn something new. 00:02:29 But there periods, like right now, it is comical how much people are coming outta the woodwork saying, oh, I I got 10 bushels for you. 00:02:37 Just use this. Alright, well I got a question for that. 'cause we've done trials and we've gotten these double digit increases and they're almost embarrassing to, to advertise. 00:02:45 Oh yeah. Because, you know, if you tell somebody you made 18 bush or more, 18 bush or more, but he, like you say your dad walked down the, 00:02:53 down the farm show and he gained 200 bushels on every person he went by. So when we do a trial and it, it's three bushel here 00:03:00 and six bushel here, and two bushel here, and eight over here. When you put up, when you do all those, 00:03:06 you don't get all those added together. Yeah. Right. What's up with that? You'd be the man to answer that. 00:03:13 Yeah. Tommy Baptist, I mean, you probably Got products, each one of them give you this many bushel increase. 00:03:18 You've done the research. Yeah. But you put 'em all together or you do every one of them, man, 00:03:22 that'd be 50 bushel. You know, I mean, it's Not an exact production. Agriculture is not an exact science 00:03:29 as much as we can really, And by the way, that's our serious, that's our agronomic expert. 00:03:34 Our agronomic expert. You're the guy that's supposed to be the scientist. You've got little jugs of stuff from the chemistry lab. 00:03:41 You are the sign and you're saying, oh, it's not an exact sentence. Yeah. It's all called probability. 00:03:45 And who, and, and y'all got on me and y'all got on me about not having a mixing cup survey says, yeah, 00:03:51 Survey says, by the way, you're, they're pretty precise. He just looks and flings in his sprayer and then calls 00:03:58 and tells somebody, you know how he measures things? He says, well, I was planting about half a first knuckle. That's how he measure it. 00:04:05 I'm like, what's your plant in depth two, About half about two joints. Knuckle. That's right. Knuckle. 00:04:09 Two joints Planted it. You said agriculture's not exact science. So how I look at things 00:04:17 and it's different than y'all look at it or somebody else. So when I, when I test products, new things, 00:04:26 I don't do it on a one year thing. I don't do it on a two year thing. I look at it for three years 00:04:31 because just like we were talking last episode about infra fertility and that you have to look at it on a 10 year period, 00:04:42 you know, five of those years you're gonna be, even three of those years you're gonna be up two 00:04:47 of those years you're gonna be down. But over a 10 year period, you're average. You, you're above agri. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 00:04:53 And so that's why, I mean, I can't look at new stuff, you know, 10 years, but at least three years. You, you have, you know, different environments every year. 00:05:01 And hopefully by the third year you can figure out, at least make a hypothesis that, you know, this may be something or may 00:05:08 Is there anywhere in the United States? And, and I would think maybe when you get out to Arizona or somewhere, maybe Lubbock to where like his weather 00:05:19 and my weather is probably changes as much as anybody in the world. Even you get up to temple 00:05:23 or you get to, is there anywhere in the United States you can test products where the weather is pretty relatively the 00:05:29 neutral most of the time because that would increase the, the knowledge, Hey, this works every time here. Now I 00:05:35 Think that's one of the breeder stuff in Hawaii. Maybe me and you should go there, do Some test. Yeah. That we just 00:05:40 go there. Farm. Yeah. Right. I seen People, in my opinion, no, there's not. Because you have even, even slight variations in, 00:05:50 you know, humidity, temperature, rainfall. It doesn't take these huge swings to make a, a huge difference on how a plant reacts to set environment. 00:06:00 Well, how do you keep from chasing your tail? Like I'll do an infra program, your program. Mostly it's what I do. 00:06:08 And, and I'll get a eight bushel increase in corn and then I'll go split all those products out, yours and others, and I'll get nothing. 00:06:19 Then I'll put 'em back together and I'll get eight bushel, the synergy between the two. But each one of them says, you're gonna get two bushel here 00:06:26 and two, you know, is that making sense? I mean, it, it Does. And that, that's why it's, it would be nice and pretty 00:06:33 and clean if, okay, this one's two, this one's three and your total is seven. Yeah. It doesn't work that way. I mean, heck game. 00:06:44 Everybody's played monopoly And, and I'm not sure, and I'm not sure that it's not like on over the road. 00:06:49 So you see it, we see it on the combines, you know, we, we see it in the field. You see it on the cotton picker. Okay. 00:06:55 We go down this row and for this, this first 25% of the row, we've got nothing. Mm. We go up on a rise. Yeah. 00:07:02 And we've got freaking 10 or 15 bushel. And then you go back down to the bottom and you'll have three or four bushel 00:07:08 and all that soil type elevation changes Just where we're talking about the potash. And Then we, and then we, and then we average 00:07:13 that whole run out is when we get to field average. You know? So if you could figure out, say, okay, every time I get in this elevation, I'm gonna cut this off. 00:07:19 But when I get in this elevation, I'm gonna pour the coals to it. So two In case something coal, no cotton picker. 00:07:24 Each row has its own yield monitor Each row. By the way, each row has, that's why there's another Tommy. 00:07:29 This is the problem with having my agronomic expert from nature's on the show here, 00:07:33 Compact. We asked The question passes, when did you, when did the switch flip? And you went from being, uh, scared 00:07:40 and wrong to being confident and poised and you're going down the row of, of the cotton. Let's go back to that one. You've been 00:07:48 in this industry for a long time. You, you were guilty probably of being cocky and didn't know as much as you thought. 00:07:53 Then you probably went through a phase where you said, damn, I, I, I didn't know as much as I thought I did. 00:07:57 And now it's kinda the wise old sage on the top. I don't know that he's lost the cocky upstairs part of it. I, I mean I, when you know, 00:08:02 You know, I don't Know how much a period Texas tech could just swagger with as much confidence as you do. 00:08:09 They wouldn't probably have it. They, they, they might be, they they'd be the new Alabama. So you, you do know that, uh, 00:08:15 sports Illustrated article about four or five years ago, they equated the Texas tech meat judging program because we won 14 00:08:25 national championships in the last 20 some odd years. They equated it to Alabama. So, and You were the, you were, I was only told, 00:08:33 I would've been told you were like the quarterback of that thing. Like you were the, I I was, you steered that thing. 00:08:37 Me judging Tammy, he sells me fertilizer and he used to judge beat. You know, I, I, nobody's ever heard us before, 00:08:42 but I'm gonna wear the jacket in another episode. I was the ninth best soil judger in the United States of America. 00:08:47 Well, here we go. Seven here. There's a jacket running around here that shows that too. Alright. So to answer your question though, you go 00:08:54 through those phases and as we get older, I think with age, I think your dad's a lot more confident in the 00:09:02 decision he makes today. You know? 'cause he'll say, boy, I did this and I did that and this worked, but this right here worked my whole career. 00:09:09 Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think it takes time. You know, you start out scared to death. You don't ever need to get arrogant. 00:09:16 We do sometimes, but I'll tell you the most important thing, you know, when my dad passed away, I told y'all I didn't. 00:09:23 I he, he didn't have time to teach me enough. Right. I was 30 years old. You remember how you phoned you as 30? Oh yeah. 00:09:29 Scared To death. I scared to death. So what I did is I went and asked people, I went to people that were making, 00:09:36 if I was making 50 bushel beans, I went to a farmer that was making 80 bushel beans. Yeah. What are you doing? How are you doing this? 00:09:42 And I might call him every week on what I'm doing on my soybeans May. And, but what I'd do is I'd call five 00:09:48 or six different people Yep. And, and probably get four or five different scenarios, different opinions. But if you had two or three of those guys that kind of 00:09:58 had the same basic direction, then I always felt like that was a direction to go with. Tell the story we were just talking about 00:10:05 before we started this, about putting down fertility and then coming back and planting into it. Yeah. And you could never figure out why I could, I 00:10:17 saw these results over here versus what I was doing over here. So, and it never registered. 00:10:21 So, so we was planting, you know, we do all these trials and we do all this trial work and we can't ever 00:10:26 and mimic, so we, we run 1 24 row planter planting corn. And we really hate to slow that thing down. 00:10:32 Planting corn to go out here and do a population study or a uh, uh, a hybrid study. Right. 'cause you're trying to put these in. 00:10:39 So what what I would do is just cut off the seed and I would plant it with my infer two or two. And then I'd drop back in with a four row or a 10 row 00:10:47 or six row planter, whatever we had. And we would do the population study, the 24 rows over here, planting acres an hour. 00:10:53 This other planter's doing the population, everything's good. But I never could make the same corn in the population study 00:11:00 that I could make on either side of it. Like with a 24 row run. I'm like, why don't I make the 00:11:05 same corn? I'm doing the same thing. Consistency. Consistency. Distant. What was the difference? What was the difference? 00:11:09 The, uh, the planter was worse. The plant did the Worst. So this year we've done a trial figure out, 00:11:13 this year we done a trial and we messed up and pushed the wrong button. And we made one round 00:11:18 and the planter wouldn't planting seed. Oh. So I dropped back in there. When I figured it out, I dropped back in there. 00:11:23 Now this is a, it's not like we don't have monitors and all that. It was just a, it was still painting. 00:11:27 So let's get that outta the way. But when we dropped back in there and replanted it, we come to harvest and guess what? 00:11:33 The compaction part of it, running that planter twice cost me five bushel acre. Ah. And we'd never seen it. These wasn't moist conditions. 00:11:41 This was great. Planting conditions, dry conditions, we lost five bushel acre go just on running it on the same bed 00:11:47 Wax by going over the same bed twice. You attribute it to compaction because about the only thing it could be after that. 00:11:53 So, by the way, does that help your confidence? Yes. Maybe the thing we talk about the switch flipping is, is because you finally know what the hell you're doing. 00:12:01 Well I don't think you ever know. Not Completely, not completely. Go ahead. I think we know more 00:12:04 About it. You never know. And so over I've been, but you look, You look for any kind of patterns. 00:12:11 I've been doing this 25 years in the fertility side and it's, it's easy to get, especially nowadays, it's easy to get caught up in all these new trinkets, you know, 00:12:24 ingredients that are out there that's, you know, promise you 10, 20 bushels. But at the end of the day, I think the first place 00:12:33 that we deal with stress, crop stress is through balanced nutrition. And I think we get lost in going 10 different directions. 00:12:44 It all goes back to basic nutrition. And I think that's what we forget Available f tete. 00:12:49 Yep. About the confidence thing and the, when he said the win and then the how and then the why 00:12:56 of getting more confident in, in your business. First off, you, you know, you do have to be confident. You know, Michael Jordan, confident shooter. 00:13:03 If you're, if you're timid, you're, you're, you're question learn. Yes. But timid, hell no. You have confidence. 00:13:13 I think the, how you get confidence is you've had a couple of failures that you've really learned from. 00:13:18 At least that's for me. Is that how you, is that how you finally get confident is like, uh, I, I've been kicked around enough 00:13:24 and I've had enough failure that by God I know this now. Well, the thing is too, I think I acquired confidence from 00:13:30 not being scared to fail. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I'm not scared to fail. I'll a shot. That's a way to put it. 00:13:36 Kinda like putting the, the trial on the highway. Yeah. You know, I'll take a shot, You know, and, and being Oakland when you do fail, 00:13:42 You know, I got a good friend of mine says, they ain't gonna take your birthday. Do it again. 00:13:47 What about the, uh, we said win. Give us the evolution. I said, I think you go from cocky to, to then questioning to then confident. 00:13:56 But I'm not sure is that the right is does I get that right? There's probably some other humps 00:13:59 along the way. I don't know. Well, being, there's a fine line between cocky and confident. 00:14:07 Yeah. To knowing when to push, push the needle when not with your friends. It's in the big scheme of things. 00:14:15 It's about being a trusted advisor. And, And I'll tell you something, it's, it's also I think the confident deal too is when you can say you don't 00:14:26 know or when you can say that. I'm not sure. Yeah. Or when you can say that. I think that'll work. Yeah. 00:14:32 You know what's helped me be more confident is when a young farmer asks me what to do. Mm. Because at that point you step back 00:14:39 and say, okay, if I tell him the wrong thing, if I'm not a hundred percent confident in what I'm going to tell him, then it could mess him up bad. 00:14:46 Yeah. So when you start having the younger generation ask you questions, what do you think about this? 00:14:54 You better be right. Or as right as you can be. Or you're gonna hurt that person. So, you know, usually It takes us about three. 00:15:02 We have to ask them about three or four questions before I'll answer a question. 'cause I wanna know, I wanna know what all, and if you 00:15:08 Don't, you don't misguide them. I don't Wanna misguide 'em at all. But if You don't know, you'll say, I don't, 00:15:12 I don't know. I might call somebody else because The worst thing you wanna do, It's not a failure to say, 00:15:16 I don't know. And say, you know what? It's A failure To say you Do. Let me find out and 00:15:20 I'll Get back to you. It's a failure to say you do and you don't. Or Let me have Tommy call you. Yeah. 00:15:23 Because I've done that before. Tommy's gonna call you because answer the phone. That's probably when my switch flipped as much as I wanted 00:15:30 to sw flip how you switch flipped. Switched as much as I wanted it to, to flip. Yep. When I could tell a younger 00:15:38 person to be confident in what I was Standing. So you got your, you because it made you realize, 00:15:43 I do know have a body, you have a body of work. That's where you've got a body of work. You've done this. There's, it's by God, it's, it's verified. 00:15:50 Right? Yeah. And people ask you, and If you've done it multiple times, then you're pretty confident 00:15:55 and you'll say, well, on my farm, yeah. It's verified. This is work. And, and you guys talk about track record and all that. 00:16:00 And one of the things I like about Extreme Magazine when they, or cutting the curve podcast and we're talking about, 00:16:06 or in a field days where I'm shooting a video with them, they say, this worked for me 00:16:10 and it worked this many times and here's how it worked. But we're not guaranteeing this's gonna work for you. And I think that is not well, I mean it's not, 00:16:16 it's not like you're some kind of a Well, I mean, s******d lawyer. Lawyer trying to get, there 00:16:20 Are very few things that we've had work on every farm the same way. Yeah. You know, I mean the, I mean, Tommy 00:16:27 and several others will have products. They'll be like, look these three, track these three, we ain't made it work yet. 00:16:34 You know, I mean it's just, it's just part of, part of that program unit. Does it ever surprise you? 00:16:38 'cause this is where I'm at now at my age. I know that people always just say like, well, you know, I was on a, I was on a stage doing shows for 25 00:16:46 and there'd be people that were our age. You could be like, Hey, you got a lot of balls kid. You hopped up there in front a thousand people 00:16:51 and you just, uh, it is like, does this ever feed you? I'm like, I I didn't know any better. Yeah. And what's smart enough doing 00:16:57 thing is you from a thousand people. And do, like you said, I wouldn't have, if it flopped, it flopped. 00:17:03 Uh, the, the fear of the flop drove me to make it not flop. But you know, you get older and now I look at people 00:17:09 and I think this person's so confident for as stupid as this person is, I fear for them how confident they are. 00:17:18 You ever have that? Like, this is one of a b***h is so stupid that they almost, I I almost feel like I need to give them some sort 00:17:26 of instruction on the simple things in life. And they, by God have the confidence of, you know, Michael Jordan. 00:17:33 Have you ever heard the term that, uh, every now and then a hog Hog finds a Hog. 00:17:41 I do that a lot. So is it true? I mean, it's not just true. I said, so is it something about that blind hog we fish, we see people that you're like, 00:17:51 God, it, it is a good thing. You've got confidence. 'cause you sure ain't got brains. Oh man, I love him. People because they're my people. 00:17:58 It realizes that I'm not the only one. I don't know about that. You know, but I mean, you gotta understand what you know. 00:18:03 Well, understanding too, where you come from and where you're at and knowing that you're never, you will never be there. 00:18:11 You know, you know where you were and you know where you're headed. But I don't know that we'll ever get there. Mm-hmm. 00:18:16 Because to, to our, to my level or Matt's level. And I know Tommy's the same way to our level of satisfaction. 00:18:22 Right. That we think we know everything. You will never get there. But You, if you ask me to do you know how 00:18:29 to farm, I'm probably gonna tell you. No. I mean, we just sit here. I know how to farm at it. Yeah. And I'm, I, and I'm making it work. Yeah. 00:18:35 But, but I still don't, we still don't know how to Farm. So Matt's been putting out potash all his life. Yeah. 00:18:39 And we just sit here and had a serious pot ash conversation about cotton. Mm-hmm. And we've been putting out 00:18:45 potash all our life. Yeah. I Should know more about potash than anybody, as much as anybody said in here, but I 00:18:49 screwed up some stuff last year. 35 years of experience. You're not still sure you knew how to do it. Yeah. 00:18:54 So the thing is, is it kind of a crime that we say we get confident and we know what we know, um, but it happens too late? 00:19:00 Or is it the other thing, I know some really successful people and they are humble enough and I think that's a key, being humble enough 00:19:07 where they say, I, I realize better today what I am not an expert in and what I'm, what I don't know than I did 20 years ago. 00:19:17 And I think it takes a lot of humility for a person to say that. But that's the reason I think that some 00:19:21 of the people I know have become more and more Successful. And I think success too is like you're talking about knowing 00:19:27 that I don't know, and knowing who to call. Like I can, we can pick up the phone and, and I know that I don't know nothing about this, 00:19:33 but I'm gonna call Tommy know or I'm gonna call you and I'm gonna, you know, there's A confidence in what you know 00:19:37 and also who, you know, what's pretty cool You can get What's pretty cool to me, and you're probably going through this 00:19:42 Now and not being afraid to call Is, is with Lane. I'm able to, he's able to skip 20% of the steps Yeah. That I couldn't skip because I do know these 00:19:53 things, you know, the things. And so at, he's a better, I think he's as good a farmer at 30 as I was at 45. 00:20:01 You know, he may not be where I'm at today, but he's repelled or increased 10 years just by the knowledge 00:20:08 that I've been able to give him from mistakes. But, you know, sometimes I think that, I wonder if that hurts us. 00:20:13 You know, I never took an agronomy class. I've never taken an agronomy class. You have. You just Didn't. And I wonder a lot 00:20:20 of times if I hadn't, oh, I took one. Yeah. And it cost me, like my wallet is thin because of It. The best, the best lessons 00:20:25 that are the ones you paid for. But I'm just saying that like, now I wonder about the little things 00:20:30 that we don't know that would just go back. Well, damn Matt, you know, I'm like, you know, and not, and not know. 00:20:37 You know, so, so I wondered sometimes about, it's always the little things that get you, you know, so when you dig deep into it is, are we, you know, 00:20:45 in essence handicapping them because all you, we, we know all that you like. Well, I don't know how we got there. Like, well, 00:20:50 dad just said that was the number, you know, because If you, if you think about it, we talk about little things and all these nutrients kind of go on a cycle. 00:21:02 You know, it was sometimes at zinc they'll focus on zinc for 2, 3, 4 years and then it's boron or then it's 00:21:09 Only 20 Years boron. You've been, you've been through with boron for 20 years. And if you look at how much boron you put out 00:21:17 or how much Molly you put out, I mean teen tiny bits, small Amount Compared to MPK. 00:21:24 Right. So what's, and people always ask me, what's gonna be the next thing, the next big thing. Well, whatever the next big thing is. It's, it's gonna be 00:21:33 Small, teeny tiny, small changes to make big changes. Because I'm looking at, we'll just say, you know, 00:21:38 enzymes right now that, I mean one ounce mm-hmm. In, in the furrow on an acre. And that's what you're, The, the next big thing is something 00:21:47 that's almost minuscule, but it has a outsized impact. Absolutely. And it's 'cause we don't understand it yet. And you think about one ounce to an acre. Yeah. 00:21:56 How little that is. It's Hard to apply one ounce to an acre. Uh, I just ain't gonna do it. Alright. 00:22:00 So we talk about the switch. Talk about the switch. I'm like, these s**t guy, these two guys are saying maybe the switch has flipped. 00:22:06 And Matt says when a younger, younger producer started calling him and seeking out his advice, just like he was 00:22:11 that younger producer for you, probably about the same thing about the time when you started realizing 00:22:16 that you, you knew what you knew. But I think the neat thing is they're kinda like those guys. I think for me it was when Matt called me to tell me 00:22:23 to tell the younger producer An answer. An answer. Yeah. So the other one I think is, is just like, when I'm talking about these very successful people 00:22:30 that you meet that realize that they say, I, I know, I realize now how much I don't know. And, and I'm constantly learning. 00:22:36 And that's the kind of a neat rewarding thing. Are you there yet? No. On the confidence? 00:22:42 No On the switch. Flipping Again outside again. I'm gonna go back to my very first thing that I think is comical of what we, of 00:22:51 what you thought you knew that you don't know. Yeah. And every year it shows you that every year shows you something you like. 00:22:57 Thought I knew that. Yeah. Well, the important part, obviously to keep on, keep on trucking, keep on, keep running, keep on, keep on 00:23:02 What that potash made me look like this year. You Know, it was just one Road. I'm sitting there looking like I'm not an idiot. 00:23:08 But if you look at this field, I'm an idiot. Look like it was my first year tomorrow. What's, uh, what's the one thing that you, 00:23:15 that if I bring it up that you're not confident about, for you it shouldn't be agronomy for him it might be agronomy. 00:23:21 'cause he feels like he's, he's almost got a chip on shore. I never took that agronomy class. 00:23:25 What, what is that one thing where you're like, yeah, you know, I'm pretty damn good except this is my, maybe not my Achilles either. 00:23:32 So this, is this anything or is this related to fertility? I'd say anything related to the being a farmer. 00:23:37 Oh, mine would be base saturations and figuring that out. That's kind of relatively, So that's agronomy. So 00:23:43 when you look at you, you're confident in the business side of it, the equipment side, the management side. But you talked about the personalities. 00:23:48 You're gonna go agronomy is your, is your one thing that you're less confident in? Agronomic. 00:23:55 Oh, it's a hundred. It's, oh, it's a I'm gonna have to inform him. It's gonna be Yes. Because the other thing, all of 00:24:01 Them, he said yes, answer. He doesn't know anything. The other things you mentioned are pretty black and white in an agricultural 00:24:08 production operation. Yeah. But agronomy, like you said, is going all different kind of ways all the time. 00:24:14 And man, it's, I'm just saying like, I, I didn't mean to answer for you. No, no, no, no. You're right. No, you're, you're right. 00:24:19 And, and the thing is too, like the people just don't realize a lot of times what the weather pattern did to the agronomy. 00:24:25 You thought you knew. Yeah. I mean, you, I mean, one, one rain can make you look like, you know, all the agronomy you got. 00:24:31 Yeah. And, and it, and it wasn't even the agronomy, it was the rain you got, you know, and I mean, so 00:24:36 On fair irrigation, I say that all the time. You know, it saves our butts a lot of times. 'cause we'll have these roads that didn't get out 00:24:42 or we're behind here and you get an inch rain and everything goes back to zero. We reset the Scale. Yeah, yeah. That's right. We 00:24:48 reset the scale. So there's a, there's a theory that the thing that you're most proud of is the thing 00:24:55 that people thought you didn't have, or even you yourself thought you didn't have and you mastered it or you didn't master, 00:24:59 but you got good at it. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you always thought, man, I, I, I, I'll admit, I don't know as much about agronomy 00:25:06 or I don't know as much about chemistry, but when you finally get a command of it, you have a tremendous amount of pride that 00:25:11 by God I finally didn't master it. But I'm, I'm a hell of a lot comfortable more than I was 20 years ago. 00:25:15 Are you guys there? Yeah. Yeah. We usually don't give ourself credit for what we do know. 00:25:21 You know, Chad will be like, well I really don't know that. I'm like, yeah, you do. You just don't 00:25:24 realize, you know what you know. Well, Our Own worst Critic. Yes. Yeah, that's right. 00:25:29 Article about Katy Perry once said that, uh, The singer, is that The one that wanted Katie Kiss, the singer? She said 00:25:36 That's the one that wanted to kiss the girl. Did she use porn on? Of course Boron. I didn't. 00:25:41 I Didn't. The interviewer said they spent a day with her and they said the woman's amazingly talented. She sells out concerts. She makes $125 million a year. 00:25:50 He said the, and the whole 24 hours I spent with her when she perked up the most was when they were talking about the business side of show business. 00:25:57 Because she always felt like she was just this preacher's daughter that was dumb about business. 00:26:02 And she felt very confident now that she had somewhat mastered that. So that's why I asked that question. 00:26:07 You can see that the thing that we finally feel like we have a handle on, and that's where the confidence comes from, in my opinion. 00:26:12 Good point. If you're a farmer and you feel like you have a handle on anything, I I Your mistakes scary. 00:26:20 How About a handle? A handle, maybe even a mastery, but never to where you are not to be still able to learn. Just, just be ready to learn and, and be ready to teach. 00:26:30 You know? 'cause I mean, the thing is that, that we see in what we're trying to break the mold of here at extreme Ag is 00:26:36 to share that information. Mm-hmm. And then to be able to teach somebody that's family, you know? 00:26:41 Yeah. Just be able to let 'em fail and be like, man, you know it, like I said on Dad with double cropping, right? 00:26:47 Intercropping, inter cropping. Yeah. Intercropping. I tell him, I said, dad, what do you think about the intercropping deal about three 00:26:52 or four years ago, five years ago? What do you think about that intercropping deal? He said, oh, go ahead and try it. 00:26:56 He said, it, it, you know, that's a great idea. He said, I tried it in 1967. He said, I've never made more cotton. 00:27:01 I've never made more beans and ain't never had a harder time picking 'em both. No, but you go ahead and try it. Maybe do better for you. 00:27:07 I said, no, I'm good. I think we're gonna leave it right there. That's a great topic. I live, I like it. 00:27:12 So when did the switch flip from being, uh, scared and completely convinced that you over skis to being poisoned confident? 00:27:18 The reality is the best, the best of us still keep learning and that's why we're talking to Chad Henderson. 00:27:24 And, uh, miles, they are obviously as, as good as it gets. They're extreme ag two of the extreme Ag founders. 00:27:29 Um, we're joined by our friend Tommy Roach here with Nature's at the Grainery table. Nature's is, uh, the company that provides a whole bunch 00:27:36 of fertility products powered by Bio kay Technology. It's kind of a cool thing. Extreme Ag is teamed up with, uh, a business partnership with Bio Kay. 00:27:44 Check it out@nature.com. Very appreciative of you being here. And also for you joining us, we are going 00:27:50 to do this again and again and again. You're invited to pull up a chair at the table. Sometimes farming could be kind of a lonely game. 00:27:55 You got friends right here. Pour yourself a drink, pull up a chair, grab a snack, and join the conversation. 00:28:01 Until next time, cheers from the Great Ray in case, uh, in case you hadn't seen Mr. Meat Judger. Ninth in the nation, 00:28:09 1987 FFA Soil Judge. It looks like 1986. So That's an 87 mile Coke right there. That's, that. Isn't that, I still fit into it. You 00:28:19 Knew that It must been your brother. 00:28:23.025 --> 00:28:24.285