Farming Video | What Happens When You Cut the Herbicide Rate

Okay. I have to admit, it's been a little while since I've, uh, presented in front of a group this large, and, uh, I've done a few of these. And so normally there's a glass of water or bottled water or something up here, but this is the first time at this meeting. So they had this under the podium and, uh, I had a few, couple drinks out of the one they gave away 'cause I was getting a little nervous. But, um, yeah, so if I take a pause and take a drink, just it'll be fine. So, um, anyway, uh, I'm Steve Sofer. I'm the tech service manager for, uh, state of Iowa. I also do a lot of seed treatment work with UPL. Kurt SLOs is the, uh, Western Iowa, uh, salesman, uh, for UPL. And, um, well, together we're here to talk about, uh, a couple of products and trauma DX and, uh, Solera, and another one called V Plant. Okay, so just a little bit about UPL. I don't know everybody in this room knows who, uh, UPL is. We are based out of India. Uh, we're actually number five in farm chemicals in the world. And so, uh, in the past we've been a little more post patent. Uh, we do a lot of manufacturing. There's, uh, chances are you've used something we've either manufactured or it's a, uh, a brand of ours, but you may not know who UPL is. So again, we, we invest a billion dollars in research. Uh, we've got a lot of bio solution products, uh, branded crop protection. And so, okay, we do a lot of formulating. That's kind of our big thing. A lot of manufacturing, I believe it's about, well, around, uh, it's in the forties, the number of manufacturing plants across the world that we have. So chances are, uh, you've probably used our products in one form or another. You just didn't know who exactly, uh, who they were. So the first one I wanna talk about is Indx. Indx is a brand new corn pre herbicide, uh, extreme Ag Kelly's used it. We brought it out, we added it in demos last year. This is our first big year, uh, that we're gonna have in Trove dx, black Green. So what it is, it's a combination of a new AI to the corn market called Ana Carone, uh, been in, uh, turf and I believe sugar cane in the past, but this is the first time it's being introduced into the corn market. And the other is, uh, rebuy. You probably haven't use rebuy on corn, uh, too much in the past. We're introducing that into the market with this combination. It's an se formulation. The rate range that we're working with is 16 to 20 ounces per acre. So it's a low rate. You can take what you need, uh, for, for virtually the entire day to the field. And, uh, very nice product. The, the residual on it is 30 days plus. We'll get into that a little bit more. So again, as I said before, new active Emmic carone spray it onto the soil, goes up through the roots. It's very water soluble and it does a really good job on water hemp and all pigweed species. Waterhemp and Palmer does an excellent job. So, uh, what do we like to see out there? We like to see 20 ounces of Entrata and then a pint or two with, uh, moccasin two. And what you're gonna see is super clean fields. So we had some with Kelly's. So came out to your farm, we walked through your field. What did you see? We, uh, we tried to dx it. Uh, uh, waterhemp is the biggest challenge that we have out at Water Farm. I think it probably all across the Midwest. And, uh, we had two different rates out there. And, uh, we were, I can't remember if something was mislabeled. We counted the rose wrong. We were locked out there with Kurt, Steve, and, uh, uh, field wasn't, we had a lower rate to see what would happen. And then we went into the prescribed rate and I thought Kurt was gonna have stroke because the field wasn't clean. Well then when we reread the, uh, paperwork and we got into the correct spot, the field was clean. So that shows you that you need, don't cut the rate, don't cut the rate of any chemical because look at what happens. The weeds get you. But where we had the, uh, full rate, the, the weed coverage, the residual was, uh, it was good all season long. And it, it, it's gonna be our, uh, it's gonna be in our post now as a grower stand of practice because like I said it, the water hemp is a real challenge. And so the Atrx was an impressive product for us. Yeah, and exactly what Kelly was talking about, Kurt and I walked out to the field and we're looking around and normally, and I will say this, this is a revolutionary product. Normally when we walk out in the field, we're expecting to see almost nothing or nothing out there. And we walk through the field and it was a little disappointing or a lot disappointing. And I was starting to sweat a little bit and we're kind of, I'm like, this is the first time I've seen this. I don't understand what's going on here. And we kind of kicked the dirt a while and looked at some of the leads. There's a high pressure there, high pressure in that field. And so, uh, you know, I we're kind of doing this kind of thinking, well, what are we telling him now? 'cause this is not what we told him it would be. Then we moved over into the spot where there was the 20 ounce rate and things were looking exactly what we'd expect. Well, it was wind grove's fault, didn't he mislabel it or something like that? Uh, something like that. Yeah. Yes, It was. I think it was Windrow. Yep. We, we, yeah, we were in the check where we had cut the rate. I, I can't remember if it was about 60% of the, of the, of the full rate. And then when we got into the full rate, it was clean. You could see it to the rope. It was an impressive thing to see. Yeah, so it, like he was saying, we, we do say with the about the 20 ounce rate, we also have a 16 ounce rate that is more toward, uh, geared towards if you, it's a cheaper, it's a, it's a cheaper program. Uh, it also has a less residual, it just means you're gonna have to get in there right away, uh, with your post rate. But with the trauma DX at 20 ounces and a quart of, uh, Moin two or Chlor, it does an excellent job. So yeah, long residual. Let me just talk a little bit more about the residual. I think we were there, I think it was about 25 days after you applied that we were there. It was something like that. Uh, but what I have seen is that we're getting a solid 30 days even out of the 16. But when you get as far as 40 to 45 days out, we're still not seeing anything out there. And what happens is the grower comes out, starts spraying, and he's looking down. He says, I don't know why I'm out here spraying. And that's a good day. Is that a good day? When you were like, I'm spraying, but I'm not sure why. Little weeds are a lot easier to kill than big weeds. Little weeds are a lot easier to kill than big weeds. So this is, I I came up here. So I'm a tech guy. I had about 72 slides of graphs and charts, but, uh, we're gonna cut it down in just a couple here. This is just a comparison against which you probably can't see it from the back, but starting over here, you've got Storn. We're at 99% just like Storn, uh, tribal, we're at 99%, just like tribal and resin core. We're at 99%. We're matching them, uh, with performance performance, but we're also a longer residual product than they're, So I got pictures. I got a lot of pictures. Uh, this is the, uh, non-treated check. This is in Ohio. And this is, so this is Inva actually it's 16 and Entra at 20 with, uh, 16 ounces of SM and another 32 ounces of SM with 20. So good program, great program, uh, entra at 20 with Storn over here. And then, and so this is what you see, this is Bellevue, Illinois. We're looking down the road again, this is accur on. And uh, in trauma dx 20 ounces plus aqua Aqua of, uh, ESMO Stored. Again, this was tribal. Again, if you probably can't see it, there's a little waterhemp coming there we're not seeing on our side. So we're seeing excellent, excellent control. Uh, this is Entra dx, 16 ounces plus apron plus rifle. So we mixed it up a little bit in some places. Uh, so this is my plot that I have. This is over at ames. So just a couple hours over to the west. Uh, again, untreated check. This is June 19th, this is about 35 days in or something like that. 16 and two. So 16 ounces of entra, uh, two ounces of SM in there really weren't seeing anything. If anything, there's a little bit here, but this is right at the edge of the plot where the sprayer didn't get started. But as you got in there, there was really nothing to see. Uh, this is 20 and two, so 20 ounces of, uh, in DX and, and two quar. Uh, two pints of Best Walk. Uh, still looking very good. This again, this is still June 19th. Uh, and then skipping ahead. This is what the untreated looked like on July, uh, July 9th. So I think we're at a full 42, 43 days in here. And then this is what we're seeing. I wish I could have get it down the row. Um, I took the pictures, but again, right here at the bottom there's a little bit, but that's right at the edge of the plot where the sprayer didn't get turned on right away. Um, this is 20 and two also walk in there, nothing in there. And so, um, we had a, uh, we had an intern that, uh, would drive all across the Midwest looking at the job and taking pictures. She got really bored after a while of taking pictures of bare ground from 30 days, 32 days, 35 days, 45 days. There was really not a lot out there. Now the question is, do we have any questions so far about in drama? What's The restriction? Hang on, we've got a microphone. Where's Gro? What kind of cost per acres this product? You got a Question from? Uh, Gavin, Matthews, Kevins, oh yeah, what's the question? What kind of Cost per product cost Per ac Like the gallon, the rate? Kevin, you wanna know the rate per acre, correct? Cost per acre. Cost. Cost per Cost. Uh, Kurt, roughly speaking, I mean, it's kind of hard to say exactly with what everybody does, but it's roughly around 15 bucks or so Course off. We like you to First off, consult with your local retailer. Steve and I don't get involved in a lot of pricing, but, uh, if you don't mind, uh, I'll throw out at 16 ounces, you're probably gonna be in the 14 to $15 an acre range. At 20 ounces you're gonna be at 16, roughly 16 to 18 for excellent early season residual product. This is a pre only product. Remember that there's a little bit of an error in the booklet where it might say foliar, do not ever use this foliar on your crop. You will have a bad day if you do that very bad day. And, uh, so that gives you a little bit about the pricing needle. Um, things that you need to really remember, like somebody kind of talked about the pH pH because the Buin piece is in there. Buin for over 40 years has had the same, and every product that has buin has the same pH restrictions. Number one, it's a seven or higher, don't. And number two, is the organic matter piece 1% or lower? Two or 2% I think it is. And lower. Well, the label starts at one and a half than electric. See two. But don't get alarmed in that because it's, you know, your soils better than I do. But I will say if you got a lot of coarse soils with very low organic matter, you probably should not do this because it's that simple. It's bu it's been on the market for 40 years or every, you can pull the label of Mebut and read it there. This gives you on corn a great wheated control foundation of pig wheated species. If you're fighting, if you're fighting water, you need this product. If you're going in non GMO crops, you need this product. It's a pre on corn pre-emergence only. Okay. Does that make that clear enough, Mike? Very clear. Yeah. And just to, to back up on that a little bit. Yeah, the requirement is seven pH and a percent and a half organic matter, but the organic matter is what's buffering the intra dx. So that's not damaging corn. If, and we're looking at that, we're probably gonna make a little bit of a label change as far as if you've got three to 4% of organic matter above seven, we haven't seen any damage. Now officially today, I need to say it's seven and below 9% and a half. But we might make some adjustments on that 'cause we're not seeing any damage at this point. And um, oh, and as far as the post spray, yeah, uh, you might see in your book it said foliar, please don't put it on foliar. Uh, so one of, I've been moved around a little bit inside the company and last year at this time I was covering the south. So, uh, I had some, some trials at, uh, Texas a and m University and, uh, they sprayed a post misread what I wanted them to do, they sprayed a post. I didn't bring the pictures, but you know what dead corn looks like. So, um, I had excellent, excellent palmer control for 30 days and then they sprayed a post. But what I saw, I was impressed by, because when you looked at the, uh, the untreated check the Palmer was, was that big. So, so One last comment I had, this is labeled for field corn, silage corn. Any of you guys raising white corn or popcorn or don't use it, it's not labeled. So this was the field that we were talking about earlier. This is Kelly's farm, I believe I'm correct on That. That's Clint's. Oh, that's Clint. So yours is the next. So anyway, we, uh, yield wise, I mean we were a little bit better than the check, but uh, the main thing was the weed control, I believe, and I haven't talked to him, was probably very, very good. This is Kelly's Kelly's, uh, plot that he had that that we had that the demo out on. Uh, how did it look throughout the, so we were there early, we were there about 25 to 30 days. What did it look like after that? Uh, do I need to go back out later for the sponsorship and make another video? And, uh, that video was on the website, but the coron being cleaned throughout the season. Yeah, it remained clean throughout the season, but is it a one pass? We're saying no, because at UPL we're committed to, uh, reducing weed resistance build up at all costs and we're doing everything we can to make sure you don't build up weed resistance. This is not a one pass. You could have an escape or two that does make it up through the, through the soil. And we don't want that to become a resistant weed to something like, well, right now there's, there's no weeds resistant to metri in that we know of. And, uh, AMI Carone I don't believe has any resistance at this point either, and we wanna keep it that way. So make sure you're doing always doing a post spray. Absolutely. We followed up with the post spray and we, that's when we wanna put out the foliar fertility anyways, so, So again, just to follow up with what we would recommend for the, for the UPL acre, uh, for a good, like I said, a, a good application 16 ounces and a pinter tube of a MO center or SM that's gonna give you that 30 day residual. You're gonna want to do that plant and spray. Don't wait until it's spiking please, but spray does plant and spray, uh, for the 30 day residual for better, you go with the 20 ounces of Entra DX plus two quarts, or sorry, plus two pints of moccasin. That's going to give you that 30, 35 40 day, uh, residual control. And if you really want it, you've got some major problems, you really want to do it, uh, go with 16 ounces of ventra, a pint or two of moccasin, and then throw in a throw in some mistri Excellent program. Hey Steve, is there anything you can take Vci, plant drop. Forget, I've got VCI plant next if I got time. Okay, good. Go ahead. Yep. So yeah, in summary again, uh, revolutionary foundational new product for Precor herbicide does a number on Palmer and, uh, pump and, and other wheats and, uh, all pig wheat species, 30 days residual. Make sure you get something out on your farm. So just real quick on the Sora, it's, it's a, uh, a flu trobin and a tetra conazole combination, uh, for corn and soybeans. I know last year we had least in Iowa, if you're, if you were south of here and always deal with southern rust, then it might have been giggling. The fact that we had a really bad in Iowa this year. Uh, but as far as good strong fungicide, it's at both a curative and preventative. Uh, the timing on corn is at bt. You can do a B five actually this from now on, like what I saw last year, I'm gonna say VT and R three, just that double shot, especially if you've got any kind of seven rust that's, that's happening out in the field. Soybeans do it about R one, uh, for white mold application, this is just showing a little bit of how we performed against an untreated. We, uh, this is on corn, so we were uh, about 10 bushel better there for Triple Pro. We were about 10 11 approach primo. We were about eight there. And so we did very well in gets headline, uh, economical does a really nice job. This is, uh, miles Farms Z Anybody, I don't know if they're here to comment on it, but, um, this was in the book. Matt, do you hear us? Matt? Is is is Stir, I can Hear a little bit static at some point during the conversation. Okay. We're gonna speak very clearly, but you're here with the UPL and we want dig into, we want to dig into your trial that you did with them and I would like to just hand the raises over to you if you can, if you can do so about what you did with UPL. Yeah, so I did take the trials, I did the make plant trials with corn, uh, with, plus we had a plus four bushel increase. And then I did the solar trial, I did on soybean. I did that at r about R 2.75. We taught it our three. Okay. Um, so anyway, we'll probably that was the AXA plant trial. I got a couple AXA plant slides that talk about that. That's a new product that we're, or not, not necessarily a new product to UPL, but a new product in the corn. Uh, again, in the Midwest we used it a lot in some specialty crops. Uh, for Z Zora FX in this particular trial, uh, we were at about 86 bushel versus, uh, the check was about 85. We didn't, um, we didn't cream 'em in soybeans, but uh, again, white mold was, was not always an issue in every field. If I could find something on my trial, we picked up on the soybeans, we picked up two bush and that was against Mark. So the, it wasn't against just a straight check, it was against a brand new ide. Oh, okay. That makes sense. Did Matt do, and the last one I wanna talk about today is back to plan. So what backs plan is, it's a bio fungicide. It and it is actually a fungicide. It's a laminer, kind of a seaweed type uh, product, but it's been around for quite a few years. It has its own, uh, frac root. So it's a P four fungicide. Um, what it does, it's an, uh, it has two pathways, which is an I-S-R-S-A-R, which just means that it induces the plant's own response to disease and or, uh, AIO stresses like the low water situations or uh, maybe some insect infestations. And it, uh, reinforces cell walls with a lot of other neat stuff in the plant. We always recommend VAX the plant with a standard fungicide program. And when you're gonna do that, you'll wanna do, uh, vax the plant at seven ounces plus uh, the standard program, I believe. And tell me if I'm right in your plot, you went all back to client 14 ounces, is that correct? You talking about, are you talking today? Yes, yes I am. Yes. Okay. So when I get to that plot, and again, this is, I just had a couple of quick slides about B plant again, seven ounces corn, seven ounces of soybeans, uh, at the B five to bt. Uh, again, put it in with your regular fungicide program. This is, uh, the plot that we were talking about. What he did here is he put 14 ounces of straight bags to plant, uh, 'cause he wanted to get away from standard fungicides and uh, it did fairly well. Uh, we won or beat the, uh, the check by four bushel. Can you, can you then, I know you talked about earlier, but could you kind of go through your plot again on what you, what you did there? Yeah, so the same thing, the check was a premium on the premium fungicide. So we picked up four bushels with the bio fungicide against that premium synthetic fungicide. So he had just used, uh, VCI plant, uh, as the bio fungicide and we've got a four bushel above, uh, the, the standard program that he was working with. So again, uh, really nice product. Again, seven ounces with, with uh, a standard program or 14 on its own. We kinda like to see the standard program but yeah, you can do it for a full biological program. And just, um, just in closing now when you have uh, we encourage our Sora fx which is a, a two-way fungicide with a strobi. Uh, and then you can add in the BCI plant to make a full three-way, uh, which will not only curative preventative but also induce the plant's own response to disease. And then we have other products too, like we put wanna put with, uh, in uh, to Para plus, which is by RIN plus flu trobin in the furrow at the time of plant. So any other questions? I don't know where I'm at on time. I was just going, Well you go to turn to me and ask me if I have any questions so I don't but these people out here by questions these people might. Any questions? Any questions? Yes sir. I need to worry about putting cover crops. I put cover crops around that July area. Do I need to worry about RA affecting that at All? Okay, so the question because Mike Gro is still over there licking his wounds from losing money at the blackjack table, so he is not very prompted the microphone. The question again was, sir, I put the cover crops in July this year, Inter seeded it And I wanted to know if that would affect that if we had so much rain like this last year. That is an excellent Question. A residual. A residual, Yeah. Will the residual Keep carrying and will that affect my growth of the cover crop? Kurt, I haven't had the cover crop question yet. If you're going that long residual, depending on maybe I would probably apply it well before planting, then come back with your post spray a little bit earlier. And I think by that time you would be fine with your cover crop. I just wouldn't go with the full 20 ounces at planting. 'cause then you would be getting cleared into July. Kurt. I would agree. I would agree with that. Uh, go to 16 ounce use rate would be better for the cover crop that you're planting at Mr I'm just trying to think this through, uh, later season, you're talking the next year right after using the truck? I'm, I'm in July. In July at V six V seven. If there's a drought, you know, any herbicide can do funky things and dry weather, but I, that's how I do that. Yeah, you could probably have a problem and dry weather issues. But I've seen in my career, but normally speaking normal moisture at 16 ounces, 00:26:35.815 --> 00:26:37.735