Farming Video | N-FINITY Nitrogen Efficiency Trials at the 2026 XtremeAg Data Conference

My name's Scott Lay. I'm a part of the, the Reson organization. Joined with me today is my colleague, Steve Sexton. Uh, before we walk through, uh, the, the trial information and, and some of the information about one of our technologies, infinity, uh, I wanna talk about this event. And, uh, our organization has been a part of extreme X since the beginning. Yep. And, and we're now entering year 5, 6, 6 times five, doesn't it? Um, but I think it, it's important, and I think from, from our, our organization standpoint, uh, what we, what Kelly and, and Chad, Matt, Kevin, uh, temple and Lee represented at the beginning is the idea or the feel of this was going to be something different than what I accused Kelly of, of being another Kardashians of farming. Uh, and again, I think you understand what, what that, what some of those groups look like. And it's, Hey, will, we'll do some trials and we'll go around in the speaking circuit, in the wintertime and talk about the marvelous products that we did trials with or not, and collect our check. And, and again, as Damian referenced, uh, Kelly is a capitalist. And, uh, we, we do pay them for the work that's done. We're gonna talk about, we're not gonna hide that. But I think what, what we've enjoyed in particular is, is as the relationship is involved, these guys are real farmers. They'll talk about their real experiences. And in fact, one of the trials, um, related to infinity, our product today, the results didn't turn out as we'd hoped. We're not gonna hide it. Uh, we're gonna share that with you and, and we're gonna let, uh, in this case, Matt Miles talk about why didn't it go the way we had anticipated. But I think that that's an important part of, of the equation. Um, we, uh, we welcome the opportunity. We'll continue working with Extreme Mag because of the, the value and information they provide. So, uh, with that, uh, again, I, Damien indicated, what's that closer? Yep. Um, Damien indicated we're a part of Reson. Uh, we create bio stimulant, fertilizer tech, uh, efficiency technologies that are used across row crops, uh, obviously in this room, and had a lot of success. We'll talk about infinity today. But I think the other thing I, I mentioned, and I paid attention last night, Damien, you talked about the Asians, all the different Asians that are important to agriculture. And I think just to perhaps enhance my street cred with this group, from time to time I put on a farmer set. Uh, our, our operation is about 125 miles to the south and east of here in the middle of Illinois. Uh, I'm not the full-time farmer. I don't pretend to be one, but, uh, my brother and I, and, uh, we pay attention to the markets just like you do. And with $4 54 cent December corn and 10 82 or whatever, close that Friday, November beans, uh, you're not looking for new and creative ways to spend more money as, as you, uh, look at your input budget for this year. So I think in that vein, what we'll talk about today, uh, we, we think is a viable part of, of an operation and raising crops. But we're also mindful of the bottom line and how our technologies can be integrated in a way that you're not increasing your total investment. So with that, we're gonna talk about Infiniti. If you want to click ahead. Uh, Infiniti is a nitrogen efficiency technology that we introduced for the first time this past year. Uh, our, our technologies or brands are available through nutrient ag solutions, uh, retail stores. Uh, we're a part of the nutrient organization, uh, and develop, again, discover market and introduce all of our technologies. This is the landscape. And again, there are a handful of other nitrogen efficiency technologies, but these are the four, uh, primary technologies and products that have been available really since about 2020 is when this started. So, as you look at, uh, the, the proven forties, Adidas sources and nutrition ends from Corteva, how many of you in the room have had an opportunity to use any of those four technologies or nitrogen efficiency technology in your operations, half or thereabouts? And then that makes sense. And again, I, um, our approach is that there are a number of viable companies with real research and real science behind what they're doing. These folks are among them. But as we started to look at this space about 2017, 18, and we knew this is where the, the guys back from where, from Roseville, this is where the proverbial puck was going. Use a hockey term. Yep. Um, it, it was important that as we scan the environment, you know, the MOA, that 1, 2, 3 fourth column talks about the mode of action, largely, not entirely. Uh, the space was focused on one mode of action, primarily that being and fixation, we believe that's a part of the equation. But as we started to, uh, scan our, our library of isolates for, for those that have activity on nitrogen, we quickly realized if you wanna bring, talk about nitrogen efficiency, uh, nitrogen fixation, while it's important, that's but one leg of the stool. So as we talk about and click forward, if you would, Steve, as we talk about infinity, those, those three words across the top, one of the primary differences in what we believe to be an attribute as it relates to infinity, is we're not reliant on one leg of the nitrogen efficiency stool. But three, those three modes of action are, as others, uh, nitrogen fixation, 78% of the air is nitrogen. That's an important viable source if you're looking to supplement commercial or synthetic nitrogen as, as Kelly talked about. But secondly, uh, not a lot of other folks have focused on the recruitment. And that's the recruitment of, of nitrogen fixing microbes or biology that's native in the soil. How do we make use of those and fixing microbes for the benefit of the crop? You're growing. So that's, uh, mode of action. Two, last but not least. Is liberate liberates a fancy term or a different term for mineralization? If every soil has the capacity for mineralization event Kelly talked about earlier, said, there's 660 pounds, right? If I paid attention correctly of mineralize, or that's the pool of mineralize nitrogen in Western Iowa. If you talk to Chad Henderson, is his number 660, Nope, open 60. They open something. But, but there's something there. And I think it's important to recognize that that pool of miner, realizable nitrogen, he, we talked about last night, how much is native in the soil? It's not just nitrogen. What are the pool of nutrients that are available to your crop that we're not making use of? Infinity is a step in that direction. So again, across a wide range of crops, zip codes, growing conditions, whatever it may be, those three modes of action provide a broader base, a broader base from which to draw from to provide efficacy or results. Um, go back one more. And I just want to talk about, so as we talk about this, and again, uh, we'll show some data. It, it can be applied to any crop, but obviously for the sake of today's conversation, we're largely going to focus on corn, secondarily soybeans, and perhaps serious. But I think, uh, again, application rate as you get to the bottom, we are looking at in terms of the question will come up. So I'll answer it in advance of that. Um, it's a soil application, a targeted soil application, uh, planting in 4 0 2 by two. As you move throughout the, the, the season of soil application, uh, Johnny Rell did a, a, a side dress application time. Again, we want to focus that material, hopefully in a concentrated fashion at the base of the plant. So it can provide, um, again, the three modes of action can work. Last but not least, the compatibility. And this is important, we recognize that in a farming operation, uh, compatibility and the ability to utilize technologies like this in combination with such crazy things like liquid fertilizers, liquid fungicides or other, uh, synthetic materials is important. The compatibility, you know, to date, and we've screened this across a wide range of about every mix of liquid fertilizer you could imagine, PGRs, biostimulants, xyz, uh, whatever it may be. Uh, it does not sacrifice performance. And that's because while many of our competitive products are, are live microbial materials, our materials are byproducts of line microbial activity, they're metabolites. So again, if it's Chad or Kelly, Matt Miles, Kevin, whoever it may be, you can employ this with full confidence, you're not going to lose activity. We'll go forward. And again, I I'll set this slide up to say, and Kelly mentioned it several times, soil health, they may heard of or read about or talked about soil health. Of course you have, what does soil health mean? And, and unfortunately, in, in today's environment, it's not a bad problem, but it, it, it, it's a word salad. It, it, it's different means different things to different folks. And we're not gonna pretend to have all the answers, but we are of the belief, if we're going to talk about soil health and how our technologies benefit, said soil health, what are the metrics we're going to look at? What's the proverbial scoreboard we'll look at to determine if our technology is doing anything? So this is a, a, a trial from Champaign, uh, that took us in that direction. Steve, you wanna talk about this? Yes. As Kelly said, uh, if you can't measure it, you can't manage it. And that's the approach we take. And with Lizzie French and the so biome team now with the DNA capability of, of measuring the microbes that are being, Sir, stand over that this way, the guy's the line can Hear you. We can measure, we know what microbes are being affected, again, using DNA. So this, this was a six week trial, and they were looking at three, three of metrics. So will microbial biomass, which includes back, includes bacteria and micro rising fungi, total bacteria, and then brady rium, which is particular to the nitrogen fixing for the crop that you're growing. And you can see the increase, what infinity gives to that soil health pretty quickly, three weeks later, um, civil health, when I farmed back in the eighties and nineties, meant compaction, you know, water holding capacity, water infiltration, uh, base saturation balance of nutrition. You know, we just focused on two legs of the stool back in the eighties and nineties. It was as a chemical properties that sold the physical properties. But that third leg of the stool, the bio biological portion, now we're dialed in on, instead of flying at 30,000 feet, again with the DNA capability, we know what microbes were affecting. And, and Scott said that our, we have a library at agri school. We have over 6,000 isolates that we can pull out for particular, uh, uh, problems to solve in the soil. You know, on your soil test today, you get what we have, e and r or P-N-N-P-M-N, estimated nitrogen release, or potentially mineralize nitrogen coming from that organic pool. And I think that, what is it, uh, for 1% of organic matter, you gonna have 20 units of nitrate. Well, where's that coming from? From the microbe secreting biochemistry to mineralize that nitrogen? So what we're gonna do is we're gonna ramp that up with the infinity. So when I first started with this company in 1999 and start first started working with them in the middle nineties, it's flying at 30,000 feet. Now we're, we're having ground truth. And it's, it's, it's very exciting. Okay, very good. So, soil health, we're beginning to attach parameters. We're gonna click through this. We just had a quick conference instead of hearing from Kevin Matthews video, we're going to go live to the Kevin Matthews, who's patiently been waiting. So there you go. We just got Done. Okay. So, well, um, you know, Kevin, let, let me do, let me, let me do two slides to set you up, and then we're gonna get into talking about, uh, e each yourself, Matt, Kelly, and Chad, your own experiences of which those, uh, trial details are in the book. But I, let's start at the, at the top of the funnel. Um, uh, before we get into more localized results, and this, this is fairly important. And again, while it doesn't mean anything to you in your exact zip code or prop, uh, uh, environment, this is over two years. And again, I think it's part of testament to, we don't operate in a vacuum. When we recognize that over, uh, a wide range of crops and growing circumstances, it, we, we need to be able to record those results. This is over the last two years, we've, uh, have 903 different trial observations. Again, this is all crops, including, uh, corn, soybeans, wheat, onions, potatoes, cotton rice, um, missing a few others, but over those 903 observations. And again, sometimes they're bushels, sometimes they're tons, sometimes they're, uh, pounds of lin. Uh, it's a, it's a 5.2% yield increase. More importantly, 80% wind rate go down the funnel. This past year alone, uh, we're, what we picked out is corn, soybeans, and wheat. Again, we're all talking in bushels. This is 344 different observations, a slightly higher wind percentage. And again, this is what we're learning. And I think the, the, the four gentlemen you're gonna hear from will attest to is we talk about nitrogen efficiency. It's not as easy as some of the other technologies apply. X get y what, what's the, the different dynamic as it relates to nitrogen? How much synthetic nitrogen are you applying? How much nitrogen, uh, what are the reservoirs or pools of organic nitrogen in your given soil? It, it's a little bit different. As Chad and I were talking just this morning, you know, can we get to a level and we're getting there of a higher level of confidence by predicting in a subfield environment where this technology will provide a greater level result. We're getting there, but again, this is testament to almost an eight bushel average response over 344 some observations. So what, so again, that's a little bit of a higher level. Does the stuff work? It does. The challenge is, or not challenge, but I think that the part where you've gotta apply a little bit of localized institutional knowledge is where, where, where do we get the greatest response with what combination of synthetic or applied nitrogen will provide you the greatest result. So with that, we're gonna go to Kevin Matthews down in North Carolina, had a trial this year on corn, which Steve and I both had occasion to, to, to see, uh, yield results. And it's in the book, I think, Kevin, the treated yield, I believe it's 3 0 6, 3 0 8. So talk about your trial if you would, Kevin. Okay, so this is environment and we, and seven acres of each block. And we have a 24 rows of a drill standard. It is more a traditional standard. So it going be more relying on what other farmers going versus standard more than others. So we 24, those that we put in between the plots, that way we guarantee any of our, of that nature, we're going kind rule that out so we can get accurate test. And then we will pick the whole block. We take 24 rows, uh, just like right beside the standard. And those two, that was the, that you seen. We also will take an additional, uh, ac and a half out and do a CGA with certified deals. There actually on CGA trial only one what for several Carolina. But the interest, the, the append trial had a 20 mile nitrogen duction. I went back and double checked that when we did the wide drop, we only put 30 gallons versus, um, 40 blocks that went on the control blocks. So when they're really interest, the biggest thing that we've seen this year is we had excessive rainfall. We did not get the irrigated. We had no ation at all. We've never had that situation. Um, first time, 15 years of litigation that we not, so we actually did not get all our hydrogen for our crop plant because you, we knew off tissue samples. We, but the one thing with the tissue samples you seen on this, we continuously had a higher, and the, and, and, and where was at and as well, the back, the size was a big difference, even though when you looked at the, you looked at thinking we got much f but those size tile stood out. We have a lot of pictures and videos of it to try to back it up and see it, show that to you here. But, uh, with that, a 34,000 population on that. And so we was on target trying to get the, Okay, thank you Kevin. So let, let, let's, let's retrace this. The within 50 there were 20 units or pounds less nitrogen applied, correct? Yes sir. So let's, for easy math, let's call a unit of nitrogen 50 cents. Is that fair? So a $10 savings and less amount of, of nitrogen applied, uh, we'll take the put off of this, uh, infinity, the cost per acre. One quart will be in the 16 to $18 per acre range. And then the yield result was how many bushel better? Was it six or eight? Uh, it was actually nine was better on the grower standard. So we had two comparison, only one less. Got it. So, so as you think, um, yeah, so larger kernel size, which your video did a wonderful job of, of articulating, we were gonna share that with them. We figured we'd hear straight from you. As you think about your, your equation for this year, this coming year, um, how does Infinity fit into that? Or does it? We haven't any rehearse of, haven't we? But you, you know, you know the, I'm gonna have multiple data before I Yep. Excessive rainfall this year, that rainfall, why, how, yep. I trial four acres this year and that we the day to see if this is something that we can rely on. And that you and I had this conversation and I, we tried a lot of these products and we've success failure, success failure, and we just make sure this is what we, what we can rely. That's not really good, but we just gotta get more one year. Understand. So suffice it to say in year one, did it clear the bar in, in order for it to advance to the next leg of the proverbial relay where you further evaluation? Absolutely not. The picture show what we saying it was pretty impressive and showed out. Yep. Um, so that's, you know, but the bottom line and, and that's what we have. Very good. Well, thank you for your comments and, and your work this past year. Next we're gonna go to Western Iowa, and Kelly's going to, he has the book open, even the right page, right? Yeah. That's with address. Uh, my, my trial as you can see was a negative five bushel. But I wanna explain that this field was hit very hard by the rust. Uh, it, it, you know, as Kevin said, multiple years of data, uh, to me, this product did show that it's worth another look. And the reason is this was a winter wheat field A year ago. We put it to corn. Uh, our farm, our farm underwent an expansion. And because of the weather in the fall of 24, we didn't get all the fall in hydros on. I was very worried about getting all the spring in hydros on. So this field, we stream barred something that we learned from Johnny. We stream barred on the nitrogen on this field. There was only 30 gallons of 28 0 0 5. Again, I talk about we need to get lower and I'm interested in doing this again. We added, you know, with Scott and Steve's blessing, we added the infinity two here. And, uh, before the came in, Evans told me this field was gonna make 300. And then the rust came in and got this field. So, you know, in the effort to be transparent, which I wanna be with extreme mag, we're gonna show you the five bushel deficiency, but this is the rust. But like 38, 30 gallons of 28, 0 0 5 plus infinity was the only, was the only nitrogen on it. And Mike Evans saw it was getting like 300. And I tried to get Mike to, uh, to, to give me an estimation at times, and he won't. So that's a pretty solid estimation. You've never met anybody with more gamble than me. And Mike Evans can't spell the word estimate because he wants to tell you what he knows, not what he thinks drives me. Bananas ask. But if he says 300, that's the quality of corn we had out here with 84 pounds of nitrogen infinity. I don't know. I mean, that's a big compliment In my opinion. Kelly, thank you. 84 pounds of nitrogen. If not for the rust, perhaps we would've seen something different. Yes, Mike? Was that that a fair characterization? Very good. Um, before Scott, Scott, one, one observation with that. 'cause we sample sat sampled that field. We had the intern out there, and with that stream bar, we were a little leery. And then, you know, we, we sampled in the, our normal practice and the infinity and the plant health going through the season in the infinity trial, I felt was way better than our standard practice. So just from observational stuff, walking the field, I was very positive when the Infinity Kelly said the Russ came in and kind of took trial south. But I, I felt like it was really doing what it was supposed to be doing. Yep, yep. And, and again, I think to to reiterate key diff different mode of application that you or hired Mike, we, we talked about, gee, what, what do we think about a stream of our application? We've had nice success with it in wheat, never tried in corn. Um, so, so thank you for taking, taking that, that gamble and taking a look at it. Before I defer to Chad, I wanna make just a couple comments. Uh, the slide that I just said Steve put up, and I think this is an important consideration, um, with respect to what is the appropriate rate of applied or synthetic nitrogen. Admittedly, the answer is going to be different depending upon circumstances, right? That's common knowledge. Um, we are of the belief that, uh, we're, we're adopting the terminology a responsible reduction in applied debt. Kelly, I, you know, Kelly's, Kelly's, uh, interpretation of responsible might be cut it down to 40 pounds. Scott Scott's a talk about response. Scott's not responsible. He doesn't go far enough. That's why it's extreme Bank. I'll tell you like the products like Infiniti I think have value and could work. I think Infiniti could work, but Scott won't tell you. Scott won't tell you with his agri shrimp shirt on to cut the nitrogen far enough. We need to cut it further. It, these products have value. We talked about it. Think about that. I had a disaster with rust and we raised corn on three tenths of a pound. You know what I mean? That of synthetic that. So they have, so I don't, I wanna disagree with the word responsible. That's why I stood, Which, uh, Kelly and I talk frequently and become good friends. And then we, we not argue, but we vigorously debate this very topic. And others, they might do a podcast about that perhaps. So anyway, um, our interpretation of responsible reduction in, in applied nitrogen, and again, we're not trying to assign a number because in, uh, Hutchinson, Kansas, the amount of nitrogen you apply to erase corn is something different than story County island. And we understand that. So what we did is pulled out eight trials from corn this year. Uh, and again, it's not an absolute number because of the variance in applied nitrogen, we simply ascribed a percentage, at least in the protocols and said whatever it is, the applied rate of nitrogen reduced that by 20%. Again, you can do the math. If they were applying 220, we would reduce by 44 pounds. If you're in Northern Alabama and applying 150, you reduce it by 30. But, but this is the takeaway and it begins to take us down the road of, you know, as Kelly already articulate, what is the appropriate rate of reduction you can go to while not sacrificing yield. So as you look across, you know, the far right, uh, bars at a hundred percent rate of nitrogen, whatever that is, did Infinity provide a response? Yeah, at or about eight bushels, which is our national average, we would anticipate that reduced then to 80%. Did Infinity provide a response over an 80% rate of n alone? It did. Again, similar seven to eight bushels. Okay, that's cool. But really what we need to look at are those two, uh, the second and third bars. What is 80% of applied nitrogen with the technology infinity relative to grower standard practice? A hundred percent. And again, and it's what Kevin talked about. If you, um, you know, if if you reduce by 20 pounds, that's a $10 reduction in cost. If you're still providing, uh, additional yield, that's a greater RFI. Yep. So I wanna share that. Wanna now go to Chad, talk about his experiences in Alabama where he applied it. Was it two by two or infer? Yeah, Two by two. So we applied Infinity into a 2 0 2. And I, I got a little different. You so you'all have to kill me. It's so dang quiet out here. It, I'm, I'm like a square dog around the room. Um, so we applied it with two by two. And I have a little different approach on some of this stuff. A lot of times, you know what? And it's my fault, I didn't really follow protocol all the time. I'm not really the protocol guy. Y'all ain't figure that out. But, uh, we didn't cut anything back. Okay? This is the reason we didn't cut anything back. One I need's all pro job number two is, uh, we, we use a lot of these products in this environment as a logistics thing, okay? If it takes me, I, I put, I start out on these products, the farthest away from my farm as possible. Further, as farm we got, we take this thing, we're gonna take it 20, 30, 40 miles from home because that took a tanker load to do nitrate later or with a two two. And I cut it back and it took a tanker and a half and cut it back to one tanker with a product like this. That's where I'm gonna use it at. Okay? It's gotta be a logistics. That's one the dollar figure we don't always count on. Uh, when we're doing this, we showed a, was it five bushel in the bush? Five, four or five bushel or something like that is what we showed. Okay. And we didn't cut anything back. But uh, it's got, definitely got a lot of promise to it. And if you look at my, oh, I could have gave back or something, but if you look at the way my nitrate is, you know, they saw 50 cents pound, well the last I give here, the other day was 365 aton for 28. You know, that's $2 7 cents I think a bushel. So I mean a, a gallon and we'll break that down to 68 or 9 cents. So we're up there on, naturally we've gotta figure out how to cut it back, that's for sure. But when we look at these products like this and you see where they used them at, how they used them, that's one thing we've always liked about extreme mag is the part of, we're going to tell you what we think. Why not just come up, come out here and bash a company and say, Hey, this, this don't work. It didn't work for us. We ain't gonna use it. Now we gotta figure out what, what we did wrong as farmers. 'cause a lot of times we don't take enough responsibility as farmers where we have put it how we used it or what we did to the product, you know, in general. Um, we can always see it on NDVI map. We can see things like that. But if I use products like this in the wrong environments on my farm, I will not show a yield. I've done this 5, 6, 7 years, a yield advantage. I've done this for years. But if I take products, anything like this into an environment where it's far as from home, I might treat an airplane for the dry with urea because I get behind. Or if I take it any environment that had water go, we got a lot of river bottles, we've got a lot of things like that. Anything that inhibits any form of biology, if you will, or anything that inhibits fertility in general. And these products show out. Like they, they show out in a big way. So that's where we start with 'em and then we move 'em back into our other places. Uh, me and Scott talked about the point of what's the number, you know, what is that number? Where, where's it at? Well, well, he's exactly right. That number's different from a bottom to a Hillel. You know, you go up on a hill, you're going to need all of those ni nitrate. IIII, every time I go to Kelly's, I try to take a handful of pocket full of dirt bags. My dirt don't work like his dirt, that's for sure. But we don't need all of 'em. We go into a swag or a bottom where we got nutrition and we've got it. I don't know what that number is. Cut back. I'm pretty sure it's supposed to what his number is allotted. So how do we get that ratio on farm where the farmer knows what to cut back? Without a doubt he has an idea. That's what we're here for today. It's not to sell this product, it's to help you better understand where to use it and where not to use it. When to use it and when not to use it. You know, these guys ain't up here just selling every acre they here for, for you because if you're not in business next year, they can't say nothing. Where do you want to go with You? I, You tell me. Well, I, I mean, I, I gotta tell you that, um, there's a woman over here named she that'll start telling me we're not on time, so I wanna make sure that we stay on time, but if you have questions and one quick one, we can take it. Then we're gonna move on to our french mag liquid. We got anything out your window? Somebody's got push. Got it. Question. So these applications failed what you're telling us to do. Have we figured out how to arrest you? The corn down the road or runs out of nitrogen after tassel? Oh, what was that? He's talking about if, if if's being a facetious, the point is if you run out of nitrogen because you didn't put enough on early on. So you wanna take that or Chad go and take that? I, I would love to. I I'll take that. Uh, for sure. So the whole time I'm racing my crop in Alabama, I'm going to be short. I'm promise you I'm gonna be short. I'm telling dad Stuart, I'm in partnership with them and I'm gonna tell 'em we're going to be short, we're gonna be somewhere at 145 to 150 pounds is where we're going be out our dry land acres. Okay? And with that being said, I know that I can come in with a plane because I'd rather do it anyway with urea and, uh, money sulfate, you know, with that pass late, the game, because we've talked about, I ain't spent my money up front, so I know where the crop's at. This year we was somewhere around the first thousand acres we cut, we was somewhere around 196 bushel average. We had a great year down there. Okay? We was done that on 145 pounds. So we knew where we was, but it was because of the application that we do, you know, everything is banded, everything starts in the borough in the road. So we, we can all, we can put urea y'all, we can put nitrate on it any way you want to. There's a hundred ways to put it on, put it on the airplane, put it on however you want to, but we've gotta start right with this kind of product when we start. And the earlier it seems to me like the earlier used, the better used. 'cause when we start writing, it's in that zone and already starts fixing early. When he talked about that you hear fixing and what was the other words that the farmers don't wanna know about? You know, recruitment location. Sir, can I ask Where, where's home? Uh, central Ohio and I wasn't trying to be fixing. No, no, no. Understand. No, that's what I think. Um, You know, different, you know, Ohio, we do get a lot of rain. So there's always that time when you put, you know, your, you're plant amount of nitrogen on and the soils they saturated forever. So there's always that one year, you know, probably within five You likely that we have to obviously go back and rescue. Do you in cropp Sidedress or wide drop? Yes. Wide drop. So, so again, I'm not going to attempt to do 180 degrees opposite of what Chad said, but a quarter twist different, I think it's in, and I'm while agree with you want to keep your powder drying by not overspending early, but as relates to nitrogen, are all nutrients, obviously in a corn crop, uh, you know, the number of rows around and that ear is determined early. We're not worried about that, we're past that. But as we get into the V eight to to V 14 stage, the potential length of that ear is being determined genetic or physiologically. So we don't wanna shortchange our crop. It's what we're, what we're spending more time looking at is how we influence that second wave of mineralization that, you know, provided with rainfall in that latter part of June through July. Um, there's some folks that SAG Alytics work with in your part of the world to look at, uh, y drop or sidedress applications to, to understand are we influencing that level of mineralization that later available in ledgers. Scott, Kevin, Kevin Matthews, he didn't get his nitrogen on late and the two 90 GSP made 2 99 and the colonel size was two thirds size of the infinity kernels and it's had the stay green light and the nine bush. Okay, Damien, I apologize. Uh, Kevin, thank you Matt. Miles, I apologize next time we go to Hoots Barbecue. I, I'll, I'll buy the bush light. Uh, we didn't get a chance to hear from you. Uh, but folks, thank you for your time today. I appreciate your, your, uh, uh, membership and stream a, Steve and I will be in the, in the back of the room throughout the breaks. 00:34:16.905 --> 00:34:18.485