That Won't Work Here! Or Will It? | The Granary

00:00 Proving "that won't work here" wrong. What am I talking about? Well, it's one of Matt Miles' favorite slogans. We're going to dig into it. 00:00:06 Why that won't work here, or maybe it really will, and you just don't want to admit it. That's what we're talking about this episode of "The Granary." You ready for a 00:00:13 conversation with some real farmers about real issues? And the best part, you're invited. So pour yourself a drink, 00:00:21 grab a snack, most importantly, pull up a chair. Welcome to "The Granary." Hey, guys. 00:00:35 All right, guys, here is the topic. It's almost like I didn't want to do this as my friend Matt was going to think that I was picking on him. And a long time ago, I said he was my favorite XtremeAg guy. 00:00:43 I'm not picking on him, but he says it routinely. "Well, you know, that might work up there in Indiana, but that won't work here. That won't work here." So I'm like, let's just have a whole show of dispelling this 00:00:52 whole thing of, "That won't work here," because admit it, sometimes you say things won't work there, and they do. So I got Todd Kimbrell from Texas. 00:00:59 I've got Matt Miles from the Delta region of Arkansas, and I've got my friend Chad Henderson, who in a previous recording sat there and didn't say anything for 15 00:01:06 minutes. And I said, "What's going on, Chad?" He says, "Sometimes it's just really nice to listen." I said, "Except for on a talk show." 00:01:13 So with that in mind, you're going to start off with talking. You see it all the time, and you are an absolute pusher. 00:01:18 You do a bunch of crazy stuff. You're the send-it guy. You're always trying new things. And there's somebody that drives down the road and looks at you in Madison, Alabama, and says, "That d*****s, don't he know 00:01:29 that won't work here?" Go. I mean, man, I don't know if it's, I can name time after time, like we got one pivot that we plant in a circle. People's like, "Why would you do 00:01:40 that?" And it's just kind of the way we do some testing. It's a long story. And then prime example is what we've just been sitting here talking about. 00:01:47 You're going to let him get two rows of furrow forks, right? Yeah. 00:01:50 To run on his planter for some replant just because he says it won't work. You say, "Hey, that's the best closing system we've had, right?" 00:01:57 Yes. So, I mean, there's always something all the time. Well, what's that mean? Two furrow what now? Furrow forks. It's a closing system. 00:02:04 Furrow forks. It's closing system. Oh, okay. It says that will close your- Your furrow 00:02:07 ... trench. Yeah, yeah. Close your trench behind the planter. Okay, and you're saying that won't work here? No, I'm not- 00:02:11 And Todd's so annoyed by you saying that won't work here, he's going to just send you the equipment? 00:02:14 Actually, I didn't say it wouldn't work here. I think it will definitely work. Well, since you're the founder of the statement that- 00:02:19 He wouldn't want to use it though, would he? But that may have been on cost, right? He didn't want to pay for it. Yeah. 00:02:23 He didn't want to pay for it. He'd been in XA too. The one year I used it, it didn't make any difference. So since you're the founder of the statement, you're the genesis for this 00:02:32 show that I said, we're going to go ahead and do this. And then our producer, who's quite surly, actually then said, "Matt's going to think you're picking on him," but I'm not picking on you. 00:02:41 Tell me about something, the most recent, that won't work here, proven wrong. 00:02:46 Well, I'm more excited about this. This is the second show. The first one was overcropped and under-managed, and now we're doing that won't 00:02:52 work here. I'm just kind of impressed that maybe I've got a little bit of show business or comedy coming through me. 00:02:56 Did you ever think that maybe when you talk, I actually listen, and I convert your statements to my brain? 00:03:01 XtremeAg was founded when we started this company with six cell phones, going out and showing people all the things we did right- 00:03:09 Yep ... and all the things we did wrong. Mm-hmm. I enjoyed, and I think we all did, enjoyed showing our mistakes as much as we enjoyed showing our successes. 00:03:19 You said that I remembered one of your statements, actually, several of them. I remember Chad Henderson saying, "I've never had a failure. 00:03:26 I've had experiments that didn't work out." That's good. That's like Tom Citizen, right? 00:03:31 Yeah. But no, I'm notorious and I'm proud to say I'm wrong a lot on this, but I'm notorious for something coming out, and whether it's financial or whether it's just me overthinking it, 00:03:44 this won't work for us. Mm-hmm. It won't work here. It may not work in Arkansas. It may not work for us individually. 00:03:49 Several things have been that way. Round bale picker was one module. Cotton modules, when we started setting cotton on the ground rather than putting it 00:03:56 in a cotton trailer- That's terrible ... we can't set cotton on the ground. That's never going to work. Right. Because why? 00:04:02 What, is it going to absorb moisture? Is it- Yeah, the bottom of it's going to all rot off, and so it's just kind of almost amusing sometimes. 00:04:11 Same thing with Operations Center. I said, "I don't want a tractor texting me on my phone. I'm never going to look at all this stuff. 00:04:17 I don't want to know when it's stopped." And today I'm on there five times looking at Operations Center, seeing where our tractor- 00:04:22 All the way back to auto steer. Exactly. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I can- That won't work here. That won't work here. 00:04:27 Well, and I think Kelly or somebody mentioned it yesterday, I wish I'd have known that statement then. 00:04:33 I had a family member and he said, "Well, I can way out hip..." Hipming was a big deal because you wanted your row straight, right? 00:04:40 Sure. Mm-hmm. And hipming, you're everywhere. He said, "Well, I can outdo that." And Kelly's statement yesterday was, "Why would you want to?" 00:04:45 Right. Yeah. And I'm like, damn. Can we talk about that? I wish I'd have knew that statement back then. 00:04:50 Yeah. Like farming on the side of a hill, and then having some pride that you were better than the automation, and even if you are- 00:04:57 Why? ... why? What the hell? It's like, hey, you know what? I'm really good at making drywall. 00:05:01 Well, the drywall is pretty damn good as it is. Just go buy the drywall, okay? You got one that's kind of famous. You said in your part of Texas, 00:05:11 "That won't work here," or "That only- Works up north." That's what they all say. Which most everywhere is north of where you are. 00:05:19 That's true. That's true. In Texas, everywhere's north. They're- The only part is the south of me. 00:05:23 Usually referring to the Midwest, obviously, but anytime any product, anything, any fertility, chemical, 00:05:32 fungicide, a piece of equipment, they always say the same thing. "Oh, that doesn't work here. That won't work here. 00:05:38 That only works up north." Only works up north. Well, and we as farmers in the South, correct me if I'm wrong, we have a chip on our shoulder because everything is designed- 00:05:48 For the Midwest ... for the Midwest. Right. So if it's a corn variety, if it's a bean variety, if it's a piece of equipment, they took our 6700 sprayers. I could out-spray 00:05:57 those bigger sprayers because of the way the boom folded. Yeah. 00:05:59 You don't scissor it in. I could out-spray a big sprayer in my area Why don't you make it anymore? Well, there's no demand for them in the Midwest. 00:06:07 Mm. So you get that chip on your shoulder. I think that's where a lot of those old-timers are coming from. Everything is designed around the Midwest farm, and you guys are 00:06:17 just picking up the scraps. I'm sorry. But you know, now in their defense too, when we start, let's say it was a generational deal, right? That when they was saying it. 00:06:26 The technology is so much better now that there's pieces of that puzzle all the time where they just had... Maybe let's talk about a planter attachment or 00:06:33 whatever. Mm. They had one. You either had a V set or even when we was cotton in the South, you had the cotton attachment, right? You just had two things. Well, now, Lord, how many closing systems 00:06:43 can you buy? Everybody's got- Oh, there's so many. You know? Thousands of them. 00:06:46 Yeah. Yeah. So, we've come a long ways with machinery too, to replace a lot of stuff, but- I want to keep getting into why that won't work here, that you've actually done, 00:06:55 and your neighbor told you it wouldn't work. I want to get into that, and I also want to point out, I get the bias toward the Midwest, because obviously if you're talking about corn and soybeans, that's where 00:07:03 they are. But nobody that's down there doing cotton says, "Oh, yeah, you can't do this with cotton up in Indiana," because- 00:07:09 Yeah. I'm going to keep saying it ... well, or rice- Yeah ... or peanuts- 00:07:12 Never mind ... or sugar canes, all kinds of things that obviously are not grown in my backyard here. But 00:07:18 what have you done? What have you done? What have you done that then when they said, "That only works up north," and you said, "I'm going to try it anyhow," and it worked. 00:07:25 One big one I've been sitting here thinking, but one big one was Y drops. I brought Y drops to the farm in 2016, and boy, 00:07:33 "You can't put that fertilizer on top of the ground. What are you doing? That doesn't work. We're too hot. You can only do that up north." I mean, I heard 00:07:40 everything you can imagine. It completely changed the way we farm. Got you. 00:07:44 And now I'm not going to say everybody does it around me, but a lot of people do it now around. I mean, that's kind of a grower standard thing now. 00:07:52 And by the way- I'm going to steal it all I want. My play ... for the person- ... that's watching this, says, "What's a Y drop?" It's a hose 00:07:57 that drops down from your sprayer boom, and then it looks like this, and it sprays the fertilizer out right next to the- 00:08:02 The base of the plant ... right next to the base of the plant. And while we're talking about fertilizer, I would probably do a really good thing 00:08:07 for our sponsor who's got their sign over on the wall right there, and it said, "This episode is brought to you by our friends at Nature's, a premium liquid 00:08:12 fertilizer company since 1946." There's bringing the next one in. What about a complete liquid program? Ooh. 00:08:19 That won't work here. That won't work here. That won't work. And they say that in the North, like, "That won't work here." Yeah. 00:08:24 So we're still dispelling that myth. You did it. You- Oh, we've done it. And we've out yielded it every time me and Tommy's done it, we've out yielded the dry program. 00:08:33 It's just still trying to wrap your mind around the logistic pieces of it that we still got to develop- 00:08:37 No-till fertilizer ... and the way to carry it. Just running all liquid systems. But your liquid system includes UAN, I assume, right? 00:08:43 Correct. It's just not any dry predicted, no dry phosphorus or no dry potash. 00:08:48 Yeah. See, I'll give you another one that I see all the time, and I've recorded episodes of Cutting the Curve for XtremeAg about it, 00:08:55 and we might even have somebody here that says that won't work here. Cover crops. Ooh. 00:08:59 Cover crops- I'm still saying that. The people in North Dakota say cover crops won't work. The people down where he is say cover... And it's always the same thing. 00:09:07 "We don't have the right season." I'm like, "Well, holy s**t. You got three months of season in Manitoba, and you're telling me it can't 00:09:14 work. You got 19 months a year of hot weather in Arkansas and it somehow won't work. So you tell me how it can't work." And then right in between, right 00:09:22 here and where I am in Huntington, Indiana, I got my buddies and they say- And then don't forget, you got 30 different species of cover crops that you can 00:09:27 choose from. Yeah. Right. You got stuff. "Hey, well, that won't work here." I'm like, "Well, then plant something that does." It's not like there's vegetables not being 00:09:35 grown somewhere or grasses or whatever. And I have people in Huntington, Indiana, which is in between North Dakota and Arkansas geographically, and they say, "Oh, yeah, them cover crops won't 00:09:43 work here." B******t. I know you still say it. You're going to get proved wrong on that. Well, I'm working with cover crops right now, but when you said that we have the 00:09:52 long growing season, they get so big you can't hardly kill them. But, I mean, you killed them earlier. 00:09:57 Well, it's funny you said that because we took a field, and it was this tall in cover crop. I said, "I'm going to manage half this, and 00:10:07 the other guy's going to manage the other." I said, "I'm spraying mine in January." And he said, "I'm not spraying mine till late February." His is still out there. 00:10:15 We're still trying to kill it, and mine's graveyard dead. So yes, they will work. By the way, maybe you're just planting the wrong stuff. 00:10:22 Like you said, there's 30 or 50 different species of stuff. You need a pygmy cover crop that doesn't get- ... that will just only get so big. 00:10:28 Wheat, rye, something like that, that works for me. Mm-hmm. It really doesn't work. Neighbor had it. 00:10:33 He did a perfect job raising a cover crop for a sustainability practice thing he was doing for a company. 00:10:40 Planted the corn early. Most beautiful cover crop. Killed it. Planted the corn. Beautiful, perfect corn. 00:10:46 We had that freeze, that late frost. It smoked him completely out. He had to replant every bit exactly where he had the cover crop. The rest of his corn was fine. 00:10:56 So there is challenges. Strip till, no till, that stuff everybody's tried. I've tried it. What happened to the strip till deal? 00:11:03 It won't work. Huh? What happened to the strip till deal? Why did the crop die- 00:11:07 It's still too good ... where the cover crop was? It's a little late now. Apparently it keeps the cold air down there. 00:11:11 I think it just froze. Insulated it. Yeah. I'm not sure I'm buying any of this. I'm not sure. Chad, you're an agronomy guy. Yeah, it's the soil warming effect. Like the soil temperature. 00:11:21 When you cover that up, it's cooler. It's insulated. Since- And wetter 00:11:25 So the more moisture you got in a freeze- And that's the worst thing about a cover. Once you get a stand, you get established, it's awesome from then on. 00:11:31 Yeah. But you just can't get a dang stand. Till you want to kill it. Yeah. I got beans right now that's got a cover crop on them. 00:11:37 Only cover crop I paid for. $40 for this cover crop, right? Mm-hmm. 00:11:41 I tried to kill that crap three times. Right. Like even though I mowed- Now I am going to try it some more. I'm going to try it some more. Cover crop. 00:11:48 I've been burnt by it, but I'm going to try it again. Most of, this is my observation, I'm not the farmer. As I was told in another recording, I've never put out a crop. 00:11:55 And then Chad threatened to hit me. You might remember that. I actually- 00:11:58 Yeah ... there's probably going to be some pending litigation over this whole situation because- 00:12:01 Come on ... the harassment- Come on with it ... the harassment that I endured. Any- 00:12:07 So I wonder if, I think a strip till, like if you could plant a cover crop in the fall. I know people have already done this, and so we're not talking about new s**t here. 00:12:18 But if you could plant a cover crop in the fall and then strip till through it, and then you would have both sides. 00:12:24 It didn't work. I tried it. Our soil's too heavy, too wet. It just, and- And you strip tilled in spring or fall? 00:12:31 Fall, and we're planting in the winter, so that's the killer for me. Yeah. 00:12:34 We're planting in the winter. You're planting February. Yes. And the cool thing to me is- 00:12:37 We should probably point out that he's 70 mile- Yeah ... to the listener and viewer- Yeah 00:12:40 ... he's 70 miles south of Dallas. Yeah. Just so they can understand geographically where- Yeah 00:12:43 ... we're talking about. Well, the cool thing about this is with our camaraderie and our peers or whatever the group, XtremeAg, whatever group you're in, 00:12:52 something that you don't think will work here, you find out from your buddy. And just going through ideas, we were driving to the airport, and he said, "What do 00:13:00 you think about putting a streamer in front of the level manner instead of running it on the sprayer, 00:13:06 incorporating that UAN or 28 with that level manner?" I was going to ask you about that. Yeah. 00:13:13 Man, if they did- That'd be roughly strip till. Oh, I mean- They plant that 00:13:17 ... yeah. It's precision placement. And I'm like, "Well, that won't work because I've got 500-gallon tanks." And I thought, "Well, I can go get some UL 360 tanks or two 500-gallon saddle tanks, 00:13:26 put all my nitrogen down, have my new bed, nice bed to plant on." I mean, these relationships- 00:13:34 Because we're talking about saving a pass. Right. Exactly. And that's all it boils down to. 00:13:36 100%. Exactly. And how hard is fertilizer on a sprayer? So- Yep 00:13:42 ... the relationships we have, we learn- Yeah, right ... through that, that maybe it will work here- And that's one of those things- 00:13:47 ... because it works there ... well, like we talked about earlier, it's about having your blinders on. Right. 00:13:50 And you're like, "Well, that would work. I don't know why I ain't thought of that. Why hadn't I thought of that 10 years ago?" 00:13:54 Yeah. Well, like you say, nobody ever reinvents the wheel. No. 00:13:58 And the smartest thing you can think of, somebody else done tried it. They done did it. 00:14:01 I was going to throw out there that I think many of the people that go to, "That only works up north," or, "That won't work here," or whatever, the reason that's 00:14:08 derived in many cases is laziness, fear of change, bullheadedness. There are people, believe it or not, there are some of these farm people, and I've met some of them, even worked with one, who believes that he 00:14:21 is so smart that anything that he's not doing is because it absolutely won't work. "Because it just couldn't, because I'm that much smarter." 00:14:27 Oh, we see this. We see that all the time. And- Boy ... anyway, in your case, I don't think that you're not... Your first response to that won't work here, I don't think it's 00:14:37 defensive, like you're worried that somebody's insulting your intelligence, like that you think, "Oh, I'm dumb, or otherwise I would've done that." I think you 00:14:44 overthink it. And your thing is a lot of times you're like, "No, I'll tell you why that won't have been thinking about this, and it won't work because of this, this, 00:14:50 and this." I think you play out these little war game scenarios and convince yourself that it won't work as opposed to just 00:14:57 rejecting it out of defense. Maybe I need Adderall. That might fix everything. But I'll tell you one that won't work here at home, and the guy that's got this sign back here probably would 00:15:08 agree with me if he was on the podcast, late season fertility. Like real late season fertility. The heat, because of the heat, 00:15:17 we can't get that to work. Chad can get it to work. He's a touch bit cooler- 00:15:21 Cooler ... than me- Cooler ... because he's got a little bit of trade winds. Mm-hmm. 00:15:24 Temple gets it to work great. Mm-hmm. Tommy's got hundreds of people that make it work great. I told Todd, I said, "I'm less than sure it's going to work for you because our 00:15:31 weather- I can't make it ... is so similar." So you're saying you spend the money on a fertility pass toward the end of the crop's life, and it doesn't give you any bang because you're already 104 00:15:40 degrees? Well, yeah, that plant's just trying to stay alive. Yeah. I get- 00:15:43 And all he's doing is, and he's running so hard with Grain Field- Uh-huh 00:15:47 ... that he don't have time to... He's too busy. I understand. Give me some other ones that won't work here that you actually then did pull off. All right, you told me you won't do strip till, you won't do no 00:15:56 till. You claim it doesn't work here, it only works up north. You're guilty. Five years from now, you'll be doing these things, and it'll work. 00:16:02 I've tried it. I've spent a lot of money trying it, so- Strip till? Yes, and no till. I wanted it to work because if it'd work, it'd be the 00:16:09 greatest thing ever. Well- We just cannot make it ... less compaction, less diesel, less time Everything. I love the idea, but I cannot make it work. 00:16:17 I've tried. I'm- What have you made work? His planter? Yeah. Planter. 00:16:22 His planter works better than- Yeah, it's- ... mine and yours put together. I didn't say that. We spent a lot of, we put a lot of effort into our planters. 00:16:27 That's right. We really do. That's my man. Y'all buy a $200,000 planter- My man 00:16:31 ... you spend another $150,000 on attachments. Well, because maybe we want to do it once. Just saying. There may be somebody that- 00:16:38 He gets a practice run in. Right, he gets a practice run. Oh, that was pretty good. 00:16:42 That's why I'm a good planter because I plow. He replants many acres every year. Said he wants to replant. 00:16:49 Actually, I don't- ... replant many acres every year. You know what? It's a- This year I'm going to win an Emmy for- 00:16:54 You got to start- I'm going to get four Emmys. You have to start early if you want to replant on time. Exactly. 00:17:00 That used to be the thing around here, because we stayed up- And that's another myth, ain't it? 00:17:03 But you know- Go ahead and let them boys go ahead and start. They're going to do it again. You know the FOMO, all your neighbors see them pull this planter out, go in the 00:17:08 field, so you start thinking, "I got to plant." Right. Well, my buddy in Texas pulled his planter out before Commodity Classic, and I'm like, "Well, if he can plant this early- 00:17:16 I can. ... by God, I can plant this early." I can plant it. Yeah. And he know better than me. 00:17:19 And I got to plant twice. Yeah. I just added beans in there with mine. I thought I'm going to outdo him. Let's go with this now. 00:17:25 Let's go with Chad's point right there. That's always the judgment out here in the country. I remember my old buddy Doc- 00:17:29 Yeah ... my drinking buddy, we got together. We were having beers one night at this very table, and it was something like, "Had you seen," name whatever, name any farmer's name, Smiths, 00:17:38 whatever. "They already got that field down there on Highway 6 planted." And of course, George Halbert says, "Oh, yeah? Well, good. 00:17:46 They're the first to plant, they'll be the first to replant." And that was the thing that we did. But there's a lot of times if you only did that won't work 00:17:53 here, some of these people started putting out stuff. Nobody planted crops April 1st when I was a kid in Huntington, Indiana, or April 15th. Maybe May, if it 00:18:04 was a flukish year. Many of our years look exactly like it was here yesterday. Wind was howling. It was 40 degrees for the high and wet But somebody did 00:18:12 it and got told that won't work here, and next thing you know, they're ringing the bell on yield. Right? Because they did get it out there, and they did push it a 00:18:18 little bit. So congratulations to those people that do that. I love people to tell me that. I've gotten to where I don't need to say that 00:18:25 because I'm wrong most of the time. Uh-huh. But they are too. You like it when they tell you that won't work here. 00:18:29 Oh, yeah. I do too. My favorite thing. And you like saying- ... "Wait a minute. I'm the king of that won't work here." 00:18:35 Right. And I did get busted this year on freeze, but like I said, we were talking on the previous episode, I don't know that 00:18:43 26 degrees on March the 12th wasn't a record in the last- Yeah 00:18:48 ... 200 years. That would have put a damper on it. Record cold. Will I do it again yet next year? Probably so. 00:18:52 Yeah, record cold for you on March 12th, and so it hurt you, but then it's not like that because that's not something that's going to be standard. 00:18:59 Right. Exactly. So that's- You go with averages ... that's the other angle. As much as we- People don't quit going to casinos. 00:19:05 Exactly. Exactly. That's a good point. So as much as we can make the fact that we ourselves probably say, "That won't work here," we kind of 00:19:15 like it when we prove the damn neighbors' "That won't work here" wrong because you're like, "Oh yeah, these people, they went to the coffee shop and gossiped 00:19:23 about me, and I pulled this thing off." So you've always got a little- My saying is how early is too early, and I may have found that out this year. 00:19:29 Honestly. But that was just too early this year. Right. It may not be for the next seven or eight years. Right. 00:19:33 Yeah. But we push the envelope, so we're going to do things that fail. I don't know what percentage that we do that fails, but I 00:19:43 guarantee you it's a decent amount of percentage. But if you don't fail, you ain't trying. That's the way you got to look at it. See, I'm- 00:19:50 That's what I'm talking about ... not the real farmer. I'm not the real farmer you guys are, but I'm going through some of the stuff that probably the neighbors went by and scoffed at, and 00:19:57 maybe they were right. You shouldn't go to the sale barn just because you're desperate to get your steers bought because your normal supplier screwed you. 00:20:05 So you go and buy these crazy steers that somebody wanted to get rid of, and probably someone told me that, and I said, "I'll be fine." And then, two 00:20:12 months later on July 4th, the crazy s*n o* a b***h was halfway to Bippus, and I chased him around until I finally came and got the 7mm and shot him. 00:20:20 And so the neighbor that drove by and said, "I told Davey he shouldn't go and do that," also drove by and saw me out there laying out 1,000 pounds of steer that was 00:20:28 nuts. And I'm like, "Neighbors might be right that time." Yeah. 00:20:31 Sometimes the conventional wisdom actually might know what they're talking about. I tell my market guy all the time, I say, "You're not going to be right every time, 00:20:37 or you wouldn't be working for me. You'd own an island. But if you can be right more than you're wrong, to me, that's successful." You got to give me some more of the stuff you've proven the neighbors wrong, 00:20:47 because you joined XtremeAg, and you get a part of our group, and you go to these things. You do a little bit more progressive. 00:20:54 There's probably some times where you're like, "You s*n o* a b***h, I'll prove you I can make this work." 00:21:00 One that came to mind was we actually added a combine to our operation about five or six years ago. So it put us at three, and just nobody could 00:21:08 believe that we could keep up with three, and I showed them how we could do it. It's not the easiest thing to do, but it really helped. 00:21:15 We were getting our corn out before it got too dry, and I was paying for that third combine in moisture weight. 00:21:22 Yeah, exactly. You talk about a theory that nobody will buy, that is the one. Yeah. So you paid for a combine because instead of 00:21:29 with two machines, you couldn't get it harvested fast enough- Correct 00:21:32 ... and where you are, your corn goes down to- Nine ... 90% moisture. Nine. It does. 00:21:36 And you really want to be harvesting it at 20. We don't start till it gets to 15. Oh, okay. 00:21:41 So we have to- You got a short window ... we need to be like- Yeah. So you wanted to grab it before it started... Obviously, it was losing value. 00:21:47 Absolutely. It's the same thing with planters. And I don't think any of us sitting at this table don't run numbers before we do something. 00:21:54 We're not just going out there flinging stuff out- Mm ... not knowing the science behind it or the numbers behind it. I bought an additional planter to plant beans at the same time I'm planting corn 00:22:05 because the yield was 10 bushel more. Well, that's $100 an acre. Well, how much does it cost an acre for that planter? 00:22:12 A payment on it's going to be what? $10 an acre max? Yeah. You can- And another thing is when you're among your friends like that, you're pretty 00:22:19 rough on each other. You're pretty rough. Yes. Yeah. And that's good. It's good to be rougher. It is good. It's healthy. 00:22:24 It's good to make you think. It's healthy. It's good to make you push the envelope. And a lot of times it's not like I'm going to prove you wrong as much as it is, 00:22:31 why? The why. Like why won't it work? The why. Just because somebody failed one time, we wouldn't have no lights. 00:22:38 Yeah. Chad will call me at 11 o'clock at night and say, "I got this idea, and this is what we're going to do." And then he'll go do it. 00:22:45 Mm-hmm. Work or not work. You're going to learn from it still. You're constantly thinking of ideas that will improve, and if you don't try them, 00:22:52 you won't know though. You won't know. I think it's great. Again, that's why I think it's cool about watching the way you guys go about stuff. You're absolutely not just ... 00:23:00 And I said, I don't think that it's out of defensiveness, and I don't think it's out of closed-mindedness. Your thing a lot of times, why I made this crack that you 00:23:06 like to say the term "That won't work here," is because you overthink it probably. Yeah. And I love to be wrong- 00:23:12 Yeah ... in those situations. Yeah. That's the benefit. There's some people that say, "That won't work here," it's proven that it can, and then they still fold their arms up and decide that 00:23:20 they want to protect their stupid little pride and say, "Well, they just got lucky," or whatever. 00:23:25 Yeah. Well, they got lucky 17 times now? Take it to Vegas. Yeah. Right. 00:23:30 You got to be open-minded. Jacob wanted to start back working with cover crops, and I said, "We'll work with cover crops. Prove me wrong. 00:23:36 I want you to prove me wrong." I'd way rather be proved wrong- Yeah 00:23:40 ... because then I know, okay, I can do this. Yeah. I didn't know I could do this, but now I know I can. If you're proven wrong and you're willing to accept it, then usually it means 00:23:47 there's a business opportunity. Success. You can make money, you can do better, whatever. Yes. You like this topic? 00:23:53 Yes. We were afraid to do it because we thought it'd be picking on Matt. Here we are exalting him. I mean his feeling- 00:23:58 Exalting him. You're either over cropped or under- Or under managed ... I'm going to have to spend an extra $100,000 on my planter to get it 00:24:07 where these guys are satisfied with it. Uh-huh. And then they're going to produce it. You said it wouldn't work here, and all you did was instantly go spend 100 grand. 00:24:14 Anything works after you throw that money at it. I'll trade you one of your cotton planters. That would solve it. Another thing I noticed too is fertility 00:24:21 on the planter. That's been a big one. Heavy liquid in furrow programs in my area, I mean- Yeah 00:24:29 ... super. And been that way for probably 20 years. But it's always been the 10-34. Then we figured out you can put a little zinc in there, then this 11-37, 00:24:37 but now we're putting all this other stuff in there, and that's another one that's been pretty hard. "Oh, that won't work here. 00:24:42 You got to have all this phosphate right here, right now." But there's no science to back that up, and I'm one of them. 00:24:50 I'm guilty, but we're trying other things. So you're going to appreciate this. It's along with your thing about, I don't know it works up north. 00:24:56 Growing up in northeastern Indiana, especially during them blizzard years, you'd hear about, okay, because you got 12 feet of snow or something, and 00:25:02 then you hear a winter story like, "Oh, God, you hear they got four inches of snow in Atlanta, and the city was shut down for nine days." What do 00:25:10 we say when we live up north? "Well, down there, they're not equipped to handle the snow like we are." 00:25:14 Yeah. Oh, I hear that one. But then- Yeah ... you go up to the Upper Peninsula in Michigan, they're like, "Oh, you're down there from Indiana? Well, you don't understand how to handle snow like we do up 00:25:22 here." Yeah. So it's like some poor b*****d is on the equator. Some poor bastard's on the equator- 00:25:27 It's like y'all don't know nothing. Some poor bastard's on the equator, and he mishandles an ice cube, and then he gets judged by the person that's in the Tropic of Capricorn saying, "See them dumb 00:25:37 b******s down there. They don't know how to handle..." So it's a little bit like that worker. I want to go down and see you at Hill County, Texas. 00:25:45 Sure. And the reason why, I want to go down and find out all the things that apparently I could be doing easily that only work in the Midwest, because- ... 00:25:53 I'm going to go talk to all your neighbors. Don't tell him about the rattlesnakes. Okay. 00:25:57 He wouldn't like that. You don't like rattlesnakes? He doesn't like snakes. I'm terrified of snakes. 00:26:00 He didn't like the rice field. I'm terrified of snakes. They told me that copperheads will come after you, and I said, "I'm going to go park in the truck, and it's just going to hang out." 00:26:06 So what Tommy say earlier, a lot of times we can't get out of our own way. 00:26:11 That's true. Proving that won't work here wrong. We did it. We based it off of our friend Matt Miles' common statement, and you know what? 00:26:18 If you're watching this, you're probably one of those people that is open-minded, and you probably maybe do overthink, and we so appreciate you coming to join us 00:26:24 here at this very table. I'm joined by my friends who are also, like me, all blue-eyed. You won't normally find that, four guys, all blue-eyed, sitting at the 00:26:31 same table, but you do right here at The Grain. We also find people that love to talk about agriculture and we do a good job, but we're so glad you came. Thank you to Nature's, who sponsored this show. 00:26:39 Nature's, a quality company making fertilizer products that can help you farm better. Been around since 1946. Go check them out at natures.com. 00:26:45 Thank you very much, Nature's, for sponsoring this. Texas Todd Kimbrell, Chad Henderson from Alabama, and Matt Miles, who just loves it when he gets proven wrong that that won't work here. 738 00:26:55.644 --> 00:26:57.544