Are You Guilty of Sins Against Your Soil? | The Granary

00:00:00 Repenting for sins against our soil. It's the most valuable asset we have in agriculture. And let's face it, you've done some sins against 00:00:07 the soil beneath your feet. We're gonna repent for those, and we're gonna talk about how to rectify it 00:00:11 and improve the most valuable asset you have on your farm. And this episode of The Grainery, you ready for 00:00:16 A conversation with some real farmers about real issues? The best part? You are invited. 00:00:22 Pour yourself a drink, grab a snack. Most importantly, pull Up a chair. 00:00:28 Welcome to the greenery. Hey Guys. So while we're talking about this important thing, I've got Kelly Garrett, the only other Catholic sitting here 00:00:41 at this table, who's completely familiar with going in and talking to the priest about repenting for our sins. He's joined by to his right, Tommy Roach 00:00:48 with Nature's Nature's is the sponsor of this episode of The Greenery. And he's joining us here along with a guy you brought 00:00:54 to the table, Todd Kimbrel, as we call him, Texas Todd Kimbrel. And even has the logo, Texas on his shirt right 00:00:59 there, or his hat I should say. Anyway, we're gonna have a good time with this. So, Todd Kimbrel, Tommy Roach, Kelly Garre Mag. 00:01:07 Um, you're not a tree hugging type, but you have gotten into the regenerative stuff. We have sinned against our soil. 00:01:12 All those things I said about, uh, you know, the salts and the compaction and the erosion and the over tillage. Those are the sins that I wanna get into. There's more, 00:01:21 Uh, there's a lot more. I simply wanna make more yield. I simply wanna make more money. I wanna have a bigger ROI. And the science and the research that we have done 00:01:30 with extreme ag with calibrated agronomy last few years, you know, Mike Evans, my agronomist 00:01:34 and I, the soil is the next yield barrier. And the things that we have, specifically what we've done wrong, the problems we have done. 00:01:42 Now, I I, my new term is I wanna farm in tune with Mother Nature because I will tell you, we are not, And it's on all fronts. 00:01:50 It's, it's on many fronts, I should say. It's not in many fronts. There's, there's, When you look at what we have done to the soil 00:01:56 and you look at the way we farm, and we can't, it's a wonder we're not extinct as a species because we're not very smarted. 00:02:02 That's what I decided about myself. And we're, and the thing is, we keep getting rewarded for, we keep getting bigger yields for some of the things 00:02:08 that we're doing, even though we, we know it's not necessarily always the right thing. Well, where do we get bigger yields from? 00:02:17 Is it what we're doing? Or is it genetics? Or is it a little, little both. Um, better timing equipment to get it in and out faster. 00:02:25 Uh, more fertility products. I mean, You're not getting any, any more sunlight? No. I mean, here lately, the last two 00:02:35 or three years we've been having to deal with forest smoke from forest fires coming down from the, from our Canadian bru. 00:02:42 Do you think that that's like an aggressive thing that's kinda like them doing that on purpose? 'cause I really think it might be, I'm trying 00:02:48 To smoke us Out as Canadians. Yeah. They can't really take us over militarily. They're gonna do it one force fire at a time. Okay. 00:02:56 So yeah, it's not because of more sunlight sunlight's made the same. You say, oh, climate's got a little warmer. Okay. 00:03:01 That might add to yield just incre. I mean, I, I can't even hardly think that would matter. So it's, but it's also the one thing we know we're not 00:03:08 getting bigger yield because we're so much better about loving our soil. Am I right? Yeah, I think it's true. I always learned about the 00:03:16 dirt under my feet. Like I've learned so much just studying the microbial stuff and there's so much I don't know 00:03:23 that I don't think anybody knows either, uh, to a degree. So yeah, I think it's huge. 00:03:28 I think soil understanding soil is kind of like, um, understanding what's out in the ocean. I think if we've only, 00:03:36 we've only discovered about this much just scratch Surface of what Yeah. Of what's really going on. 00:03:41 Because by the time we see a problem, I mean, we're look looking visually at a plant, we see a problem. Guess what? The problem has already occurred 00:03:53 a month too much a ago underneath the soil because of the root system. Plants grow from the bottom up, not from the top down. 00:04:00 Love the c love the ocean, uh, comparative because it's vastly big. Just like there's what 70% of the earth is water? 00:04:09 Well, all of the earth is earth, right? Uh, okay. Soil. Well except for the mountains, et cetera. And then, uh, within there, the amount of living organisms, 00:04:19 when I learned about whales that are as big as my barn that eat baline, which is this, you know, they're, whatever they're, they're going through, 00:04:28 they're filtering this little teeny things you can't even see. I'm like, good god, there's a bunch 00:04:33 of living organisms in that ocean. Same with our soil. Absolutely. You know, what, is there a billion microbes? Yeah. 00:04:39 In a Teaspoon. In a teaspoon of soil. Uh, you know, and the, the lack of nutrient availability or how we screw that up, the, uh, the chemicals 00:04:47 that we have used over the past, you know, you could use some might be called forever chemicals. You know, nobody wants a single weed in there. 00:04:54 And we want that bulletproof residual. What's that do next year and what's that do next year? I started to think about this when we, the intensive, uh, 00:05:03 the intensive rotational grazing. And the first year I did it, I really had to choose some specific varieties of plants to graze. 00:05:10 Because if I had used atrazine or if I had used this, yeah, nothing will grow for two years. 00:05:15 Well, tell me that that doesn't have an effect on the corn and the beans, you know, with different things. 00:05:19 But I'm like, what are we doing here? What are we doing to the soil? Fungicide is a wonderful product. It works really good. 00:05:24 It kills everything. What's the fungicide do when it touches the soil? It's not so bad if it just touches a plant, 00:05:30 keeps the disease off the plant. But what does the fungicide do when it touches the soil? And I never even knew there was a thing called a fungi fungus 00:05:36 to bacteria ratio in soil that we were really supposed to be hitting. That is ideal. Until a couple 00:05:43 of years ago, one of his field days. I'm like, oh, well I never even knew that. But I'm sure that's a skew. 00:05:49 And you find out with usage of fungicide, what has it done? Just made it so there's no fungi fungicide 00:05:55 Use of hydrogen and use of fungicide. Your fungi bacteria ratio should be one-to-one. I my fields are one to about 2000. 00:06:02 Now we've started to correct them. Now that was in 22. But look at what we've done. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna admit some 00:06:09 stupidity here, so don't faint. But we get into this topic of, of cover crop. And I am by far the not an expert on cover crop 00:06:20 because I'm still trying to figure out how to kill 'em at the right time. But look what happens with, based on what ratio 00:06:28 of different cover crop you put out there, what effect it has on soil microbial community. 00:06:36 And this is talking about just scratching the surface. I don't even scratch the surface on, I love it That you're just talking about you, 00:06:42 you couldn't put out a cover crop a year after a crop was already out because of the residual of the 00:06:47 herbicide that was still in the soil. And the fact that we know that this happens and we accept that it happens 00:06:51 and we still use those products, but pretend that there's not probably, it's kinda like them commercials. 00:06:56 If you watch the nightly news that all the 90 year olds watch, if you take this, it'll also cause constipation. 00:07:01 And you'll be up all night and you know, your eyes will turn red. The side effects are like, holy, 00:07:06 I don't know if I wanna do all that. Exactly. Would you ever put atrazine on soybeans? No. No. But yet we're putting 'em on the corn 00:07:12 and I can't grow some varieties of plants two years later. What's that? Due to your soybean? It means you 00:07:16 Are effectively putting, you are effectively putting atrazine Yeah. On You can't tell me it doesn't affect our soybean crop. 00:07:22 No, it, I agree. I I completely agree with that. I mean, same thing. I, I've done covers and I didn't know when to kill 'em. 00:07:29 And I honestly, from a 30,000 foot view, they did help the soil health, but I couldn't manage 'em in our, 00:07:36 in our environment, our climate environment. Right. I could not, or I haven't figured it out. But I did see 00:07:42 Never say can't or never say never. Yeah. I, I'll still work on it, but I've, I've gotten to where now I'm kind 00:07:48 of the lousy looking farmer on the clock. I'll let my volunteer get a little bit, it helps. I, it took me a long time to figure it out. 00:07:56 You know, we're in such a warm climate. I'll have corn tased out and yes, I have to dis 'cause we get so much rain in the spring. 00:08:04 But where we dis those spots and particularly the spots to get the biggest and thickest the following year. 00:08:10 Corn on corn, my best corn, guess where it came from? Where I had the tallest thickest Yeah. Natural cover crop, 00:08:19 volunteer corn crop, whatever you wanna call it. Corn organic matter. Exactly. Organic matter. Living roots. Like we're carving, we're feeding the microbes. 00:08:27 The whole thing that really makes you start thinking. Now, I don't know how to manage it and simulate that every year. 00:08:34 So, but I'm willing to learn. I'm trying to learn. I wanna go through the list of sins and this is just the ones that I can walk into the 00:08:41 confessional you and me and come up with like that. All right. Over cultivation, over tillage. And I, we, it was dry here in my part of the world 00:08:50 and you guys drove and flew in, uh, when it's dry and they get done early by God, you gotta get out there. You gotta follow that combine with tillage equipment. 00:08:58 'cause you gotta prove that you're harder working than the neighbors. And if the 90 world woman owns that farm, 00:09:04 sees you haven't got out there and tilled it in the fall means you're lazy. 'cause old ebner, her husband, 00:09:08 he always tilled the fall over tillage number one till number one Santa against soil. In my book, 00:09:14 In our area now with the hills, there's so much no-till. But that, that's not a sin anymore. 00:09:19 Uh, and that doesn't happen as much anymore. I would tell you. It's just, it's a real lack of understanding of, uh, of the fertility we're putting on, 00:09:27 of the chemicals we're putting on. You know, like But that's your sin. You're saying till isn't the biggest sin. 00:09:31 You think it's over usage of, uh, It's the lack of understanding of what we're putting on the soil from a fertility standpoint, 00:09:37 dry fertility standpoint. And uh, uh, a chemical standpoint. And the reason I started thinking about this 00:09:43 with dry fertility, the, the wastewater byproduct that you, that you all know that I put on for my fertility, 00:09:49 it has about 40 pounds of sodium in it. And so the, the retail eggs in the area, the competition will tell farmers not to do that. 00:09:56 'cause we're putting on 40 pounds of salt. Well, they call it oh, oh 60 for a reason. What's the other 40 pounds? Yeah. Map is 1152. 00:10:04 Oh, 11 plus 52 is 63. What's the other 37 pounds. Mm-hmm. So if you put on a 60, 60, 10 00:10:11 and two, which we used to do when we put on dry fertilizer, you're putting on 80 pounds of salt. 00:10:16 Now, it might not be sodium, but the sodium was, is outta the soil relatively easy. What about the chloride? Well, I can't even tell you. 00:10:23 What's the other 37 pounds of 1152. Oh, in pot ash. I know it's KCL. It's chloride. What is, I don't even know what it's, but you can't tell me. 00:10:30 But you wanna tell me the sodium is bad. Look at the lack of education or understanding Note. And it's the year 20. 00:10:34 We're recording this at the end of 2025 when you're watching. It's gonna be year 2026. 00:10:39 And we've been using those products. I, I'm sure when I was a little kid, we went to the co-op and got the fertilizer buggy with for three generations. 00:10:44 But those products, and I was like, I was like old enough to go and ask for a chocola. 00:10:48 So I, 50 years ago we were using that same stuff. I don't Did what, what's the other? 37 00:10:52 pounds of 1152. Oh, I don't even know. Junk. There you go. Stuff you don't want. I mean, what do you think the other, so 10 34 Oh, 00:11:00 Junk. Yeah. What do you think is coming along with that? Yeah. And you don't wanna know. No, I could, I could tell you 00:11:06 Battery Acid. I say, I say tillage. He says over applying stuff that we don't know what it does to this soil. Putting 00:11:13 Things on the soil that we don't even know what It's, what's your, what's your sin against the soil? Not yours. What's the sin against soil that you maybe do, do 00:11:20 or you would you see people do? What do you like this to not do? I, in my area, a lot of them remove too much. 00:11:26 So like, they'll silage their corn. They're, we have a lot of dairy, uh, farms to the west of us. 00:11:33 So there's guys around me that just, just remove, remove, remove. And they don't ever replace. 00:11:38 And you can see it like their, their soil health, their, their crop health. The following years after doing that. It just 00:11:45 Too much, too much removal rate. Not enough replenish rate, also not a long term view. Uh Yep. That's what you're talking about. And 00:11:53 We have to till I, I've tried no-till. I've tried strip till numerous times. The guys I married the strip till they go in there 00:12:01 and do full width tillage with a disc or something. And then they run their strips and put fertilizes around. Yeah. That's what they call strip tilling, 00:12:07 which is really not correct. If you don't till in my area, you'll nine out of 10 years, you'll not get a crop planted in the spring 00:12:17 because of the moisture. Yeah. It's too wet. Mm-hmm. It's just flat. Also, we're far enough south. 00:12:23 I'm planting in the last week of February. So technically I'm planting in the winter and harvesting in the summer. 00:12:29 Mm-hmm. So we're, you gotta think like it's, the days are short, it's cold, it's wet. Our soil is very dark. So it's very sticky. 00:12:37 It's it, if you don't till it's a nightmare. Mm-hmm. So is tilling great? No. Can it be over tilled? Absolutely. And I think probably to a degree it does. 00:12:48 And I do some, honestly just, it's hard to help from tilling, but, uh, it's tough. It's tough to manage where I'm at. Really. Just 00:12:57 So you know, when we get, because we're repenting for sins against the soil. There was a traveling preacher that would come around 00:13:03 to Purdue when I was there and I'm gonna go pretty much hell fire and rim stone toward the end of this episode. 00:13:08 And I plan on making you sort of almost cry and then, and then beg forgiveness over this whole thing. But not you, because I'm not worried about you. 00:13:19 He's closer. Well, and I think it's gonna be, I think we've found who the center is. He's got bigger arms. I think we've 00:13:24 found who the center is here. Well, I, I've tried, I really haven't. Over Of what about what, what about over usage of, uh, 00:13:31 of all synthetics, uh, you know, to his point. And then if it's not tillage, he talks about removal rate. Okay. Compaction. 00:13:40 I mean, I did a, I did a report at a speech. I think I was 16 years old about soil compaction. And I remember then, uh, the teacher even corrected me. 00:13:50 'cause I talked about the usage of dual tires. And they said, well, Damien, what you understand is that dual tire, it, it displaces more of the tractor weight 00:13:58 and it decreases compaction. And I then ran the numbers and said, okay, we just took, and back then tractors weren't as big as they are now, 00:14:05 but still it might've weighed 12 tons. Yeah. I said, so 12 tons over 20 square. 'cause the amount of tire that's touching the 00:14:12 dirt was only this much. So 12 tons over four more square feet. Boy, that really lessened the compaction, didn't it? 00:14:20 Well, it's the same story today. You got a 20 ton tractor on, uh, them great big floater tires. 00:14:25 You still, there's no way, you know what a heavy guy in sneakers still goes out on, uh, damp soil and compacts it. 00:14:32 So I mean, compaction iss a bigger problem. Also, water infiltration, oxygenation, there's all those things that suffer from compaction. 00:14:37 We don't even, we don't even, we don't even call that a sin. And we don't, you're right. The 00:14:42 equipment keeps getting bigger. We keep trying to spread it out. You know? Now my, I have track tractors down, 00:14:46 which we're spreading it out. The tractors are still getting heavier. The, you know, we have two nine r RXs, 00:14:52 Right? So have, have, uh, amber weighs half as much as you and, uh, I'm sure. And it maybe not even. 00:14:59 And then have, have her have, have her put on, have her put on, uh, uh, uh, a, you know, uh, say, uh, a small pair of sneakers and have you put on sneakers 00:15:09 that are as big as mine size 13. And you know what? When you step on my foot, it's still gonna hurt. 00:15:13 The point is, we're compacting it no matter how big the floater tires are, because the equipment is so large 00:15:18 and that we don't even think that's a, a, a sin. But it is, look at all the problems that you're not getting all that 00:15:23 nutrients so you, it doesn't happen. So I'm Gonna give some positive props to certain ice states. 00:15:32 Believe it or not, Illinois, they use a lot of humic acids. And you would think the, the last, 00:15:41 I call Illinois the last frontier. 'cause there's a lot of dry fertilizer put out, but they do use a lot of humic acid. 00:15:50 Why do they use a lot of humic acid? Because they know it works. It helps build soil, soil health, carbon. 00:15:57 And there's a lot of people starting to add more IC and fulvic. We always think, okay, humic is soil phobic. 00:16:05 It's cleaner, foliar. There's a lot of people adding both to, uh, to so in, in, in certain geographies today. 00:16:15 'cause they know it works. I don't even know if I would've called that a sin, not using humic, because I'm not even sure I know 00:16:21 what a humanic acid is or does. But, uh, he, He's right though, uh, because of human ca that it's carbon for, 00:16:27 for all inte it's carbon. And you what a sin is. Again, not understanding. We always wanna talk about NP 00:16:32 and K, the carbon, the hydrogen and the oxygen are far more important to the plant and the soil than the NP and K. 00:16:38 But we don't understand that it's a huge cent. I think it's a bigger sin than the cap compaction. Sorry dick. 00:16:43 No, you're right. Hey, The lack of understanding is the biggest sin. Alright? In certain religions, they rate the sins. 00:16:50 Uh, he says that the rest one's bigger than compaction. Gimme your rating murder's worse than, you know, fooling around. 00:16:59 I think it is worse. Uh, I'll, I'll tell you this and I've seen it firsthand. So You're basically, you're basically disagreeing with me. 00:17:07 The healthier your soil, the less compaction you'll have. Yeah. I've seen that firsthand and I've watched 00:17:12 It. That's True. That's true. So that's why I'm saying Organic matter reduces it. I mean, there's a lot of things that are, there's a way 00:17:17 To negate some of the large machinery. 'cause we can't get away from that with a consolidation. It's not perfect. But I, 00:17:22 And the fact that the yields are so big, also, if you're out there with a new idea, corn picker, you're gonna be a Wow. 00:17:27 Damien didn't like it when I sent a picture of my dim coat cart with 85,000 pounds of corn on it. Yeah. I don't like the fact that you, I don't like the fact 00:17:34 that you, you underrated my cents. Yes. No, I mean, compaction is a, is a huge thing. It, in my part of the world, it's all about 00:17:44 how wet or dry is. Yeah. Right, right. The dry it is, I don't even worry about, like, when we're harvesting, it's usually 105 in July. 00:17:51 Literally. I'm not joking. Right. And it's so dry And cracks about that water. The grounds crack. We don't compact at all. No, 00:17:58 Not no. Right. Does it, is it always that dry? No, but typically it's Right. Uh, okay. Other sins against the soil. 00:18:06 Talk to me, since you underrated mine. I replicate, like, to me, nitrogen, I think nitrogen is the most damage. 00:18:14 Like I was doing it and it took me a long time to figure it out. But I really think overuse 00:18:20 of nitrogen was hurting us a lot worse than we thought. When, when we throw the soil outta balance in the disease, Mike, I have a huge problem, in my opinion, a big problem 00:18:28 with fusarium right now. And it's because the soil's out of balance and the nutrition's out of balance, 00:18:33 overuse of nitrogen, things like that. I'm really working, I think, I think if I can get a handle on my fusarium problem, 00:18:38 we'll go to the next yield barrier. Because We always talk about carbon and nitro nitrogen ratios. Yes. 00:18:43 Yep. And what does that carbon and ni nitrogen ratio effect? It affects soul health, soul microbial community. 00:18:51 I mean, it just, this is a, it goes full circle. I'm gonna go with one that, uh, I didn't think too much about 00:18:57 until we recorded stuff recently on the Cutting the Curve podcast. Uh, Walter, uh, it's the resource 00:19:03 that almost costs you nothing, but it might be cost you the most in areas that are irrigated because it's so affordable 00:19:09 or free in many places. They just keep putting it out there. Keep putting it out there. Well, 00:19:13 a supersaturated soil means there's no room for the air pockets. Right. And it opens up disease issues. 00:19:19 And I'm not the agronomic agronomic expert, but it seems to me that you're sitting against your soil when you're ha using 00:19:26 too much water because of the potential for disease and, uh, lack of variation, et cetera. Am I right about This? Soil's oversaturated. 516 00:19:34.165 --> 00:19:34.485 It's anaerobic in the microbial system isn't working. This is all about, uh, 00:19:40 Kelly's favorite word, my favorite word. It's all about balance. Mm-hmm. All right. 00:19:45 So the person that's listened to this says, okay, now you've discovered the sins. How are we gonna repent for them? Okay, first off, 00:19:51 I think the, well, let's go backwards on the water. Pretty easy. Stop over watering. Okay. I can't, I don't irrigate anyhow. 00:19:56 I'm just an area that gets really wet, like where he is. What do you do then? Change tile. 00:20:00 Well, there's no tile. We, we don't, We don't to worry about tile in Texas. I mean, I think I, I think we could use it in a lot 00:20:07 of places, but investment wise, like with our, are There certain crops you can do that, that, uh, help manage the water infiltration 00:20:14 Or just so high me soils The high calcium. High calcium. Yeah. It, no, to answer your question, no. It's more about weather where I'm at. 00:20:23 So is it gonna flood in May and June or is it gonna be a hundred degrees, uh, that you Complained a lot about the conditions there. 00:20:31 1100 acres just sold right up here in Indiana. And I know this is your first time here. We might maybe work out some moving, going on up here. 00:20:38 Promise you it's friendlier to farm here than where I'm at. Promise. So since you're the Sesame King now, 00:20:44 Oh boy. Tell, tell me about Sesame Root system and if that's going to help water filtration. So I think it will, I I think it'll be similar 00:20:57 Infiltration. You mean actually getting it down? Getting it down or getting it cycling, right. Yeah. So we double crop sesame behind it 00:21:03 after we harvested wheat. And it's growing now. It's still, we haven't had a freeze. So it's still alive. We're waiting on it 00:21:10 to die so we can harvest it. But yeah, I think it definitely is. I like to compare it to sunflowers. 00:21:15 So most parts of the country, when you mention sunflowers, they think they're horrible. We, we had 'em, we grown 'em for several years. 00:21:22 They were the best rotation we had ever had. Mm-hmm. Since I've been farming without question, the crop behind sunflowers the following year was always the best. 00:21:31 Does it rectify a sin against soil? Does sunflowers help you? I mean, is a cropping 00:21:36 system, this is where you're going with this. What crops help you help us repent for our sins against soil? I, so 00:21:41 I think it's diversity, broad broadleaf to a grass. Grass, but also a whole different broadleaf. Sunflowers have never been planted on these farms. Right. 00:21:51 As far as I know. Right. And I think it did something different than it never, and it, it was a probably a balance thing. 00:21:57 It probably recycled something and Recycled it. Found something that, that had, that was in excess that, uh, 00:22:03 had probably not been used. And it probably put something back in that had been depleted. 00:22:07 Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I really think happened. I'm hoping, hopeful that the sesame does something 00:22:12 Almost like the Gabe Brown thing that you and I both have cited his book, uh, dirt to Soil. The we're getting the regenerative movement. 00:22:18 Seven Species of something in a cover crop mix has such a what? Symbiotic relationship. 00:22:24 And that's really what you're talking about. We, We'll have 435 acres of oats next year. You know, number one, I can take those o those oats will 00:22:32 come out early the fall. Calvin cows can go on that ground. But oats is a natural deterrent of fusarium. 00:22:37 That's the reason we're going to the oats. Yeah. So, and The oat fields are where we've identified 00:22:42 with earth optics that the fusarium is the worst. So using a variety of species of, uh, plants can a handle disease or help mitigate disease 00:22:51 or help offset disease or make disease go dormant, it will also change some nutrient balance. What else are we gonna do? Compaction. 00:22:59 I've already talked about it. I think you got stay off the ground when it's wet. We had another recording where one of our guests said 00:23:04 that the, one of the worst things to happen in agriculture was the cab tractor. Because in the old days you weren't out there in, uh, 00:23:10 the cold and wet beating up your ground when you shouldn't have been because you had to be out there yourself. 00:23:15 But now you can sit in a 70 degree temperature controlled cab, the steers itself on your Twitter account. 00:23:20 Sure. And you're doing harm to the soil. I think that's ascent of the soil. We probably wouldn't have had near the crown rod in Iowa 00:23:25 this year if we still planted with 40 twenties. Because you wouldn't have that too cold to Yeah. You wouldn't have been out there in April. 00:23:31 1st of April when it's 39 degrees. Ah, time to plant neighbors are, that's it. Okay. What else? What other things we gonna do? Repent for our sins against, 00:23:41 Well, gonna where I'm going with this, but different type. Not, not all fertilizer is the same. 00:23:50 We've been sitting here bashing dry fertilizer, which there's good reason for that. But when we're putting, when we're putting out acetate 00:23:58 based nutrients Yep. Potassium acetate, calcium acetate, mag acetate. You're not just getting nutrient. 00:24:05 You're getting basic carbon molecule that everything can, can go from there. Whether it's plant soil microbes that can take that acetate 00:24:16 and flourish. And that's, that's why I say it all the time, not all fertilizers created equal. 00:24:25 I'll throw another one out there. Speaking of fertility, that when I first met him, and we had Kelly on my show 00:24:31 to talk about the carbon program, and that's when I started thinking about everything beyond just the np K. 00:24:36 So if you wanna talk about a syn and soil and an easy way to repent for it. Focus on everything. Like you talked about carbon. 00:24:43 You, no one thinks about carbon. 'cause the, the co-op doesn't sell car carbon. But all that is, think about everything. 00:24:48 Sell that fertilizer Though. Yeah, that's right. So think about everything in the mix as opposed to just, uh, you know, n pk I think that's a big one. And what 00:24:54 Do we talk about a lot? Or at least I talk about a lot. People focus on the easy things. NPK, they forget about microbes. I mean, good grief. 00:25:05 Uh, um, Mo Mo, Molly, Molly, Molly, copper, those are, those are three. Well microbes love. 00:25:17 They need Molly and they need copper and plants need zinc. We're not, we can do a whole topic about 00:25:24 That. And then by putting those, concentrating on those micronutrients, then it keeps the whole biome working. 00:25:28 And then once the whole biome is working, because the micro, the, the organisms, the bacteria, et cetera, et cetera, and then the zinc to, I'm sorry, 00:25:35 the bacteria to fungi, uh, relationship is something that I think we are sinning vastly against that I never even knew about. 00:25:42 That tells you your farm. Well, that, That's one metric to show how far out of balance our soil is. 00:25:46 It is that it shows the amount of sins that we have. Anyway, I think this is a good topic. I am glad you came here 00:25:52 because as I promised, you are a citizen. So you came to The right place to find salvation on. Just don't hit him up. His name is 00:26:06 Texas Todd Kimbrel. 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