How Good of a Farmer Agronomist Are You? | The Granary

00:00:00 Are you a good farmer agronomist? How do you know? That's what we're gonna be talking about here. 00:00:05 Your level of agronomic proficiency as a farmer and so much more in this episode of the Greenery. You ready for a conversation 00:00:11 with some real farmers about real issues? And the best part, you are invited. Support yourself a drink, grab a snack. 00:00:20 Most importantly, pull up a chair. Welcome to the greenery. Hey Guys. 00:00:33 All right, so you heard the topic, I just throw it at you. One of my favorite things is we never divulged the topic 00:00:38 until we're sitting right here. That way I get your authentic, real life spontaneous reaction. 00:00:43 We are joined by Kevin Matthews and Chad Henderson. Two the founders. The Kevin Matthews. The Kevin Matthews, two of the founders of Extreme One. 00:00:52 And joining us is the lovely and wonderful and talented Stephanie Linco farmer and agronomist 00:00:58 for agro liquid from three hours north of where we're sitting right now. Um, here, by the way, everybody's surprised. 00:01:03 Come to my farm here, the Grainery Delarosa Farms in Huntington, Indiana. And you're the closest to me. 00:01:08 Like, oh, it's only three hours. I think that some of our ex extreme ag guys didn't realize that Michigan, Indiana share a common border. 00:01:13 They do that We do over border, don't we? Yep, we do. And we're not even contesting it. Nope. There's no tariffs. Nope, no 00:01:19 Tariffs, nothing. All. So we have the passport to Get back and forth. No passport to get back And forth, no passports on. So 00:01:23 anyway, agro liquid is our sponsor of the show. We very much appreciate you and your fertility products, and we also appreciate you bringing the grainery 00:01:29 to our viewing public. So, um, how good of a farmer agronomist are you? An unfair question to you, 00:01:34 'cause you are an actual agronomist. These guys are farmers. They probably consider themselves to be pretty 00:01:39 darn good agronomists. In addition to farmers. How do you know if you are and doesn it even matter in this day? 00:01:45 Age. You have to be an agronomist to be a farmer. If you gonna keep farming, you better be. 'cause if you a bad agronomist, 00:01:51 you ain't gonna be a good farmer. No. How Good is your soil knowledge? Chad? I've been to your farm several times. 00:01:58 You seem like you know what's going on. I don't know. Compared to other farmers, you seem more knowledgeable. How'd you get that way? And do you think that you're, uh, 00:02:06 do you think you can be a successful farmer without being, uh, a soils guy? 00:02:11 Well, I think every farmer is a soils guy. Yep. Like, I mean, the, the, I mean, Stephanie will tell you like she or a 00:02:17 Soils gal. Yeah. I mean, she'll, she'll come on to farm and she's going to ask a whole bunch of questions to the farmer that he is going to give her the answers to 00:02:25 before she can't answer any of his questions. Right. Right. Yeah. So, I mean, he knows, he may not know the proper terminology, 00:02:31 but I promise you every farmer that's in business knows what's going on in So they know their Dirt. They know their dirt 00:02:37 Well, we're getting better at knowing the dirt too. Uh, you know, we didn't talk about fungi to bacteria ratios five, 10 years ago. 00:02:45 Maybe I'm talking About No, I don't know. You talking about, So we, we Got he been reading books. 00:02:51 I have been reading books. I keep up with this industry. Thank you. 00:02:54 I think we're being forced to get better because if we wanna exceed those yields, we have to know our soils 00:03:02 and we need to be able to work with people. Like I would be out of a job if I'd say, be your own agronomist and don't worry about it 00:03:08 because you do need to rely, rely on industry experts, but you also have to have one that you trust. And the only way you can trust them is if you do your own 00:03:15 research and have a general understanding of what's going on. Well, And a lot of too, the word trust comes in with somebody 00:03:21 that you can communicate with. You know, that, that, like, even like you, you know me and you have a great relationship. 00:03:27 I'd say we have a good love hate relationship, you know, but we, but we, you know, you 00:03:31 and your husband Ryan farm, like, you know, the struggles and so you understand the give 00:03:36 and take on like, well, we gotta get here, but getting here today is not possible. Right. It's, it's a journey to get there. Yeah. So 00:03:46 I don't know that you have to be an agronomist and a soils person to be a farmer. Um, but you better have one of, 00:03:54 I think you gotta have one of three strengths. There's the business side of it, there's the agronomic side of it, there's probably the operational side of it. 00:04:00 You, you know, the keeping the equipment going and all that. You sure as heck better have one of those three, 00:04:05 as you'd call it, expertise. And you better be about a good junior varsity backup, uh, player on the other two. 00:04:12 I, I would agree with that. Yep. Which one are you? Oh, I don't know. I think I'm, whichever one. 00:04:17 I, I would say I'm the guy in the, in the dirt. You're The dirt Guy, you know, and, and dad steward of the other two. 00:04:23 Business and operation. Yeah. Yeah. Like I would say that they're that. Which one are you? I'm all the above. Yeah. Which one's your, which one, 00:04:28 Which one's? Danielle? Which, Which one which one are you set the bench press record and which one are you just a, a good relief officer? 00:04:34 My, my enjoyment is the, is the soils and the agronomy side. That's one you like. I mean, that's what I love. 00:04:40 I love getting out there in the fields and being, uh, you know, proactive instead of reactive and, um, and understanding. 00:04:46 And it, you know, and I enjoy helping the others because it, it amazes me when I go to other parts of the country how easily, you know, we're low pH soils. 00:04:57 Yep. And we're, we're always trying to build a pH, build pH build phosphorus. We, we, we just ain't got no top soil do. Right. 00:05:04 But I mean, we're trying to build everything, but it, it amazes me when I go to other areas and they're putting so many pounds of, of NP 00:05:12 and K, that's all they're thinking about. And they're now, they're starting to focus a little more on micros and, and all, but at the, 00:05:19 but they forget the basics of where's my pH? Mm-hmm. What can I do with my pH? Because our checkbooks has gotten very small, 00:05:29 so we can't write the checks that we once could. And with that being the case, when we get that pH in the optimum range, 00:05:37 then it's less money we gotta spend on that NP and K and we can focus in, maybe it's the micros that's our limiting factor. 00:05:45 I just want to know that limiting factor factor. So you are supposed to be your expert, supposed to be the agronomic and then not the operational 00:05:52 or the business side of the farming. So does that mean that Linco farms you get stuck in your lane and like you are not consulted on 00:05:59 the other two sides of the business? Well, I'm going, I'm gonna take that just a second and emphasize that her really expertise is in 00:06:05 the tissue sampling side. Absolutely. Don't do that. There's Gonna be a disclaimer at the Moment right there. 00:06:16 So I think why we have to put that out there for this show is on the Cutting the curve podcast. You, me, her 00:06:22 and someone else in your farm talked about should you tissue sample or should you not. And I, we, we went everywhere from it was fun 00:06:28 that it almost got contentious and at some point it almost got to where there was some physical, uh, uh, uh, assault. And it 00:06:33 Still is that with this group, I mean, it still is that, I mean me and me and you are anti that. 00:06:38 Right? Right. We know that. But, but to say that we are also a hundred percent pro that because 00:06:44 There's a place for that and you don't know. Yep. There is a place for them. And what did we decide yesterday that you're, 00:06:48 is it ever Monday a t-shirt that says, uh, o only losers, only losers tissue sample, or something like that? 00:06:54 Right. All right. So are you allowed to be, are you allowed to offer expertise on the other side of the operational 00:07:01 or the business side of the farming? Or is lingo farm? Is it just, yeah. Well, Stephanie's my wife 00:07:06 and partner in this farming operation and she's an agronomist. That's all you're allowed to do. Or are you allowed 00:07:10 to talk about the other two things? The business side? Yes. You don't want me on the operational mechanical side. 00:07:15 Like that's definitely not my area. Stay your lane stay, you know, if you want me to fix something, I can try, but it's duct tape 00:07:22 and they, it's not gonna be the right way to do it. So definitely not my area. Nice. I appreciate that. I once told somebody I could weld my 00:07:30 way off of a desert island, meaning if, if the ship to get fixed to get off the island required welding and I was the only I could do it. 00:07:36 That's about my level of, uh, that, that, uh, choppiness. But anyway, let's talk about the people. 00:07:41 You go out and see Stephanie, our dude's extreme ag. I, and you know, you say this is, you're sitting here our generally pretty damn 00:07:48 knowledgeable about soil stuff. There's a lot of, I don't know, boy, we about to get thrown on the table, right? 00:07:56 Know we Or or do you say what? You'd Be amazed, amazed at what they don't know. Yeah. Tell me. But 00:08:01 Your job isn't to know everything all the time because you guys are doing that operational side. No, we know that Pesticide then. Yeah. 00:08:07 And you wanna know the right people to help. I only worry about fertility every day of the year. I don't have to think about the crop 00:08:13 protection, you know, the tillage. And so yeah, there's a point. But that's not saying you guys are horrible 00:08:18 because you guys are way above. Man. It sure sounded life. You guys are way above most farmers. 00:08:25 Like you guys can talk soil patch, you can sell your numbers. You, you know what's going on. 00:08:29 You'd be shocked how many meetings I go to that people are taking pictures of every single slide of this is pH and they're like, oh, what is pH? 00:08:37 And they're taking notes like, you guys are well beyond that. Um, but at 00:08:40 Of They are are, But at least they are. They're Right. China up their game and, and they're in attendance. Yeah. 00:08:45 That's a big deal is they're trying. And it does make you wonder, maybe the farming game isn't that hard. 00:08:50 If you can be in the year 2025 and farming and not know what pH is, there're there's mean, and After you get so old, like you're don't even wanna ask 00:09:00 like, I'm supposed to know this. Like, I'm not even gonna ask, just tell me what I need to put out. Yeah. You know? 00:09:04 Yeah. So dig this. I don't know if you called it when I said, these guys are really knowledgeable and, 00:09:09 and then about your agronomic, and then what does Stephanie just, well then, but it's kinda like, yeah, 00:09:18 he's really stupid, but he is nice. But he, he's nice. It's like, it's like saying can't put that much out and know better 00:09:26 There is that. How many applications are you gonna do to get Chad, You really badass going, 00:09:31 Do you have a rule in this situation? I bought a house and I've renovated and bought properties before and I'm certainly not a, a a, you know, 00:09:38 a a carpenter, uh, you know, by trade. But I, I can, I at least I can, I can look at some jobs. We bought a house and it had been so screwed up and patched. 00:09:49 And the lady we bought though says, you know, I did everything right and Lori and I started digging this. And we said, holy hell, is she just a, 00:09:56 is she just a deceitful liar or does she really think that she did everything right here because we had to redo everything? 00:10:03 I think he's kinda, Do you show up at a farm towards Us? Do You show up at a farm and there's somebody that says, 00:10:07 you know what, I'm really a good soils person. And you look at 'em and say, Holy hell, This person doesn't know anything. 00:10:14 Do you ever run into that? This person's doing everything wrong. I've never run into that. They may not be doing everything 00:10:19 completely right, but what I recommend isn't completely right for everybody. Every agronomist has a different 00:10:24 opinion and a different approach. So, But the customer's always right. The Customer should always No, they're really, yeah. But if 00:10:30 You wanna help them, should you tell them that they're always right? Absolutely not. Like how are you gonna improve 00:10:34 as a customer if you, you know, don't know where some of those short Companies are? I think either one of us 00:10:38 is what's going to build that relationship with that agronomist is when that agronomist tells us things, you know, maybe you need 00:10:47 to try this product even though our company don't sell it. You know, this, this is going to help you right here. 00:10:51 We don't have a product that'll help you. And when you build that trust relationship that it's not the salesman side coming out. 00:10:58 And that's what I love about an agronomist is they're there, they're kinda like the unbiased person and, 00:11:04 and their goal is to have a positive outcome out of what you're doing. And it takes a systems approach. 00:11:09 It's just not one product that's going to do it for you. What do you think? Oh, I, I totally disagree. Do 00:11:18 You? Yeah. You just pile one of the products on and like something's gonna happen. I mean, you know, if one gallon is good, 00:11:22 five gallons is better, right? I mean, something's gonna happen. I know. It's, it's, it's going start smoking outta I 00:11:28 Was thinking online agronomy degree on a night course. You not think about that. You know what I was in, above the university. 00:11:34 I've been banned from stating that I was the ninth best soil judger in 1987 in the FFA land pasture arranged soil judge outta of 00:11:43 All nine of them. He come in. Now, I've been banned from saying that anymore by Shelly. The, the business, the business guru of extreme ag said, 00:11:51 you know, you really gotta stop saying that. So I, I'm gonna stop saying it. But anyway, I've always loved the soils, but I'm serious. 00:11:58 It's different now than it was in 1980 something. Now you can say, oh, well you were just a high school kid. Well, I took some soils, you know, I, but we know more. 00:12:05 It's getting more complex. And then it makes you wonder, is this over the heads of people that are really, you know, 00:12:11 out there touching the dirt every day? I think it's getting hard to keep Up. I do. I 00:12:14 think it is. Even what I learned 25 years ago, coming outta Michigan State, our soil fertility classes never even talked liquid fertilizer. 00:12:20 It was strictly dry and anhydrous. Like those were the only fertilizer options. And so I think, you know, and 00:12:27 Now we know that one of those is almost bad, right? Like, causes bad anhydrous beats the hell out of soil. It, it's does it kills stuff. It's 00:12:37 Common practice. So, so neither one of us has an agronomy degree except from the school of hard knocks. 00:12:43 So what's the one thing that you learned in school that still stands true today, that today is your go-to? More is 00:12:50 Better. I don't really think there was anything, one takeaway. And you know, Ryan and I have the same degree 00:12:58 as you can say and talk about this all the time. We didn't really learn, like we learn stuff in school, but you don't learn agriculture in school. 00:13:05 You learn how to solve problems in school. And I think the best ones were our lab classes that handed us a soil test and said, figure it out. 00:13:14 You know? I think it's just that practical hands-on experience that sounds Like our fathers, That, that it's, you know, 00:13:18 the hands-on labs, the internships, you know, the clubs and organizations that got you out into the community for networking is what you learned more 00:13:26 that helped me today in my job than any class I ever took. You know, I'm not sure that a lot 00:13:30 of things I worry about is that, that I'm missing is the simple things. Yeah. You know? 'cause it's little things that get you. 00:13:36 So like we may know some of these percentages and stuff like that that we've all worked through to get where we're at. 00:13:41 But then what about the little b things that I've didn't know or jumped right over that? Like, And everybody assumed you did. Yeah. 00:13:48 Assumed, you know. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So when people come out, even like me, and you've had this conversation before, like when, 00:13:52 when you come out and we start talking like, assume I know nothing because that way I'm not, we're not looking over something 00:13:58 that you said, well, I thought you knew that. Like, no, no. I don't know that, you know. Well, You know, a good example was back several years ago, 00:14:05 we was trying different products and you know, we'd try things and then Matt would try things there in the Delta 00:14:11 and, you know, multiple locations was having success, but then we wouldn't have it there. And what we never realized, we all assumed 00:14:19 that everybody was using well water. Yeah. And then come to find out, you know, Matt was using water from municipality. 00:14:26 So it had chlorine in it. The chlorine we're adding biologicals, but the chlorine's killing the biologicals. 00:14:32 And next thing you know, we're, I mean, we're just wasting money. But, so one thing we've learned as a group is we got 00:14:38 to know our audience. You know, you wanna know what the audience is, what is, what is your source. 00:14:44 Don't assume that it's well water, don't assume it's this. Don't assume it's that. You know, okay, 00:14:49 I'm putting a hundred, a hundred units in hydrogen out up front is front loading. 00:14:53 It gonna be good. Well, okay, that might be good. But what's your CECs? If you've got a six C, e, c, then no. I mean, stick with 60 pounds. 00:15:02 You know, it goes back to some of those simple basic questions Yeah. That we forget about. 00:15:08 I'll tell you that. I think there's a lot of fundamentals. You know, just like if you went 00:15:14 and looked at the 1940s, you're like, oh, they told people to eat butter. You shouldn't eat that much butter. 00:15:17 Well, what's the reality? Butter ain't all that bad for you. There's fundamentals from the old days 00:15:21 that still stand in fundamentals today. You know, doing some, taking a walk and doing some bench press or doing some pushups. 00:15:27 You know, those were old things that they, you know, it did in World War II time. I think we've still got some of that with the soils. 00:15:32 And 40 years ago I learned excessive tillage is bad, causes erosion. That's not changed. We're still doing it. 00:15:39 Go to Iowa and down down the road from Kelly, it's certainly not on his farms, but down the road you'll see the ditches filled with soil. 00:15:45 And that farmer is blaming the weather instead of their own practices. We knew 40 years ago, you shouldn't be tilling slopes 00:15:52 that are 35% in the fall. Uh, compaction prevents all the nutrients you're spending money on to get down to where it's supposed to be. 00:16:00 We knew that 40 years ago. We still have compaction problems. We, um, organic matter 00:16:07 and keeps saying organic matter, increasing organic matter. It helps water infiltration and water holding capacity. 00:16:11 We knew that 40 years ago. We still got people that aren't doing what they can to increase organic matter. 00:16:15 So, I mean, we knew some pretty good fundamentals then. They're just as basic as, you know, eat right and get your rest. 00:16:21 But we're not doing 'em still. Sometimes that's where I get a little frustrated when I drive around the countryside and I see sins against soil. 00:16:27 It's not mine. I don't own it. So it's not like I have a say, but I see it. You don't look at me. 00:16:38 Yeah. Don't Look at me sin sins against soil. No. Like that's true. And those things haven't changed and they're not not gonna change. 00:16:44 Good. Yeah. Those are cultural practices that, you know, I teach a basic waters class for Michigan State now, 00:16:51 and my first two weeks is it rains, it filtrates through the soil, it goes out to the ocean lakes, it evaporates, it rains again. 00:16:59 You know, there's those basics that you learn, you know, in elementary school or for agronomy, 00:17:03 your first year college told you class. Yeah. But you, it's a good foundation if you understand it. But it's not gonna make it 00:17:12 or break it if you don't know that information. Well, I'm just saying that when we get to, we go to these things and we're talking about advanced agronomics, 00:17:19 about making sure that you're, you know, you're, you're your boron refactor meter. Is it such and such? I'm like, 00:17:26 these people are still out there fault tilling and washing away two inches of their topsoil. Let's, let's fix that one first. You know, that's where I I 00:17:33 I you can, but they probably won't change that. 'cause that's what they feel works for them. Yeah. Do you need to be a good agronomist? 00:17:41 Is one of the questions you say yes, maybe no. Whatever. And the thing is then there's a level of, a bunch 00:17:46 of these people don't realize how bad they are. I don't know. If you had to be a good agronomist, you need to know a good agronomist. 00:17:53 There you go. Yeah. Be able pay a good agronomist. You Ask. You don't even have to pay 'em. You just 00:17:57 need to know a good agronomist. All right. So, but they get tired of you call it. So, so let's, let's let's change things. Okay? 00:18:02 You need to know three good agronomist. So Chad, what was, so we was in Brazil last year, so what was, um, almost a year ago now. 00:18:10 Yeah. And the one thing that stood out was if you wanted to apply stuff to your farm, you couldn't just go 00:18:16 to the co-op and get it. You had to get a prescription from your agronomist in order to buy that product to put it on your farm. So it's 00:18:24 Like, is that why in California? Yeah. Yeah. Well, California's another country over there. That's what cost me to go to seal stealing scripts. 00:18:34 I got me when you stole those pad. You Know what I'm saying? But you know, junkie, you'd be like a junkie. You 00:18:40 I'd, I'd be stealing scripts, you know, Prescription pad by the way. Yeah. Do you think that's what you're trying to say? Yeah. 00:18:45 Kevin, Do you think that's better? Well, I will, I will tell you what we seen over there was a, all the farms was very clean. 00:18:54 You didn't see chemical jugs laying around. You didn't see excess. Um, that was one thing 00:18:59 that stood out was when you applied that material. Yep. When you wanted to get your next shipment. They would not drop it off unless your, 00:19:07 unless your empty containers were there for them to get. So there is a very good control there. 00:19:13 The one thing that we did notice was when we was in town, I would say three of 10 people we met were agronomists. 00:19:21 It's a lot. The farm was Unreal. Unreal Lot. I think what we just learned is there's 00:19:26 really good job security. If the law of the land is you have to have agronomists rate scripts 00:19:30 before you can farm, it's a pretty damn good deal for being as agronomist. Yeah. But in America, we, I mean Ali, that would make me 00:19:37 so mad at cutting sea straight, you know? 'cause because you're Treat something tomorrow, all 00:19:42 of a sudden you gotta wait until you get your house call. That's right. And um, you know, a lot 00:19:46 of the big farmers down there have agronomists on staff or they are an ag they have an agronomy degree where they can make 00:19:54 Their own calls and kind of a bit like these larger Yeah. Chicken or dairy or hog. 00:19:58 They have veterinarians on staff. Yeah. Kind of like a in hog, you know, integrated chicken house, inhouse such situations of that. Are we 00:20:06 Gonna get there here You think? Um, I don't know. Chad, what do you think? I don't know. I mean, you Say don't know. 00:20:12 California is like that. So Yeah. A lot of the crops in California you need your consultant to write off on. 00:20:18 Yep. So I don't, I wonder about profitability because if you're having an agronomist do that, are they being favored by a certain, you know, company one 00:20:27 Way or Another? Like does it influence the overall profitability of That farm? That was a general 00:20:31 comment we got was they was a lot of that favoritism went on there. If they're working for that farm though, I mean, 00:20:38 if they're worth it, they won't have a job problem. Yeah. If they're independent, they're right. If they can't make the right decisions 00:20:43 and we can't make the yields, you don't have a job. Yeah. So I feel like there would be a lot of pressure being agronomist. 00:20:49 Oh, it'd be tons on a large form. Even Look now how much our crop protection companies or seed companies, like if you buy all your, 00:20:55 your s from one, one person, you get better deals. Yeah. So like, does it drive people to go to one company just to save money 00:21:02 or you know, do they get better, you know, incentives by using different products? Yeah. I think that we shouldn't really bash on California. 00:21:10 'cause the man that's filming this and producing this is a California, uh, defender. But you know it based on they gotta go 00:21:16 and do this makes you wanna do farmers in California have to go to Tijuana and just get Mexican prescriptions 00:21:20 so they can go up and farm up in California. Kinda like they did with their, all their drugs. All right. So the other thing about being a farmer agronomist is we 00:21:28 asked about how do you know, et cetera, et cetera. I, I, I wonder if I'm, I'm doing this job and the game keeps changing. 00:21:36 We keep learning more and more about it and we still mess the fundamentals. Uh, is it gonna get to where the, to farm you have 00:21:42 to either do what you're talking about? Or do you have to start, we've already got accreditation classes you have to handle. 00:21:48 Oh yeah. Yeah. We have all of us, you know, have to, especially with pesticides to, To handle It. And uh, 00:21:53 and a lot of the products that we're using now, we have to have continuing ed classes to be certified to use it. 00:21:58 You have been attending that. Yep. Knowing what we know about groundwater, I'm writing off On the CCA stuff here. 00:22:04 Yep. And what I'm wondering that increases. I don't think it, I don't think, I don't think that goes that way. 00:22:08 In fact, I think it increases. Well, you know, we're, we're faced with more environmental regulations every day. 00:22:15 You know, we see what's happening to Chesapeake Bay than you have. Uh, you know, we're dealing it now, dealing with it now 00:22:21 with the High Rock Lake Reservoir and all the rivers and streams, lake Gear. You're not too far from here. 00:22:26 And, um, you know, they, it's, it's coming whether we like it or not. Um, we just gotta be prepared 00:22:33 and, you know, good documentation when, you know, show what you're, what you're doing. A lot of these programs that we've had, they've come 00:22:41 and said, you know, this is what you need to do. And we've looked at 'em, we're like, well, we're gonna go backwards if we use your program. 00:22:47 'cause this is where we are. And then they're like, really interested in our program. And they're like, well, what made you get there? 00:22:54 And then we explained, you know, Stephanie ain't gonna like this, but we, you know, we, we look at our levels in our plants 00:23:02 versus what we're putting out. If we can maintain certain nutrient levels, then we're doing what we can do with that plant efficiently. 00:23:10 And we're trying not to spend more money than we need. It protects the environment, it protects our banking account, 00:23:17 and it lets us farm another year. What's your advice to the farmer that's watching this, that wants to up their agronomic game? 00:23:23 You just insult 'em and said they don't even know what they're doing. They're taking pictures of my pH flow meter on my slides. 00:23:29 No, that's what they need to do, is they need to go to those meetings. There's lots of resources out there. 00:23:33 You know, you guys do a good job with all your videos and education. Look at YouTube. Yeah. Latest. 00:23:37 But yeah, there's videos out there forever. Look at Mag Arm channel. Oh yeah. Oh, that one too. Lots Of resources. 00:23:43 That's what I do. I I Google Stephanie. You know what I'm saying? Stephanie's like, you know, I hate doing this stuff so you won't find me. 00:23:51 I think that the thing Kevin talking about, I think the scrutiny is gonna increase because of the groundwater, the tie to groundwater. 00:23:57 I mean, you're even seeing it in Iowa with Des Moines River. Right. Still. I think that I, you know, when we talk about that 00:24:01 and we talk about scrutiny, but I think over the last 10 years, I think Ws as farmers has done a heck 00:24:06 of a job the farm of, of doing that. Absolutely. And keeping our records. We're documenting. Yeah. I mean, we're testing waters out of our towel. Yeah. 00:24:13 You know, we can prove that we're not the one doing it. Yeah. You know, and, and we don't wanna scrutinize the people 00:24:18 who are, or whatever's doing it. We just want help clean it up. What's really amazing 00:24:22 to me in our area is if you look at the, the levels that 'cause all of our irrigation water, we're monitoring the pH, 00:24:29 the salinity, everything got spreadsheets galore on it. History. And it's amazing. I can see every time. Yeah. What's the spreadsheet? Yours is a, a no spiral bound, 00:24:39 spiral bounds, but, uh, losing The cloud. But no, I mean, you sit there and you, I can show you every time the municipality is 00:24:47 dumping wastewater into the river and, and the creeks and it's really interesting. They're allowed a certain limit Yep. To put out. 00:24:57 And then when they look at us and our poultry farms, they want us to be zero. Yeah. You know, and, and we're pretty much at zero. 00:25:04 We're, we're really, really low. And, um, it makes me feel good that the farmers of the ag community is doing their part. 00:25:12 The story's just not getting told loud enough. Yeah. We that we asked the question, how good of a farmer agronomist are you? 00:25:19 Does it matter? Can you become a better farmer agronomist? Or do you overestimate your game as a farmer agronomist? 00:25:23 We asked a lot of those questions with my friends from extreme Ag Chad Anderson and Kevin Matthews. We were joined by agro liquids. 00:25:30 Stephanie Linco, agronomist extraordinaire. Oof. Just a new title. Educator of the farmer and guest sponsor of the Grainery Show. 00:25:40 We appreciate that. Does anybody wants to learn more about your company, the fertility products you sell to help them farm better? 00:25:44 Where do they go? 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