Can You Farm Without Glyphosate? | The Granary

00:00:00 Can you farm without glyphosate? You might have to. That's what we're talking about in this episode of the Grainery. 00:00:05 You Ready for a conversation with some real farmers about real issues? And the best part, you are invited. 00:00:11 Pour yourself a drink, grab a snack. Most importantly, pull up a chair. Welcome To the Grainery. 00:00:21 Hey Guys. Alright guys. You heard me pose the question. Can you farm without glyphosate? There are a certain amount of sentiment going, 00:00:33 there's a little bit of maybe regulation coming. There's a lot of public ill will about the use of glyphosate. 00:00:40 If you go on social media, if you hear certain politicians talk. And now we got potentially the RFK junior situation. 00:00:45 Can you farm without glyphosate? Well, we've had to before, you know, we had, we You did before in 1984. 00:00:51 Uh, no. I mean we did, we had non GMOs, uh, farm for about 10 or 15 years. It sells most used herbicide. Mm-hmm. 00:01:00 Because it's cheap, it's widely available. And it used to work Well. It's, it's 00:01:06 a way that we all push the easy button to use It is, I I will say, and I, I agree. You know, it's really become scrutinized obviously recently. 00:01:16 Um, and we can farm without of it, without that chemical. We've done it. Some of those chemicals were pretty pricey. 00:01:25 So I will say one thing that glyphosate does, even if you're not using it on your farm, it keeps your other tools in the toolbox 00:01:33 competitive price. You Know, I forgot to do the introduction again, and somehow I get so comfortable talking to you guys. 00:01:37 I always forget, I gotta tell the viewer that I'm not only joined by my friends Chad and Temple with XtremeAg. 00:01:42 We're joined by our friend Galen Bee here with Agro Liquid, who is a business partner. 00:01:45 In fact, agro Liquid is sponsoring this for episode of the Grainery. So we very much appreciate that. 00:01:49 Um, you obviously are in the crop input business and everybody that's in the crop input business, like, okay, here's what you do. 00:01:57 You go and get your prescription and the agronomist comes out and there's the fertility and there's maybe fungicide and deicide, whatever. 00:02:02 And forever it got really, really simple. We went from a whole bunch of different, more complicated stuff, some harsh stuff to just plant 00:02:09 and sprint the round up. Yeah. There was a lot of people just had a two pass program. 00:02:12 They burned it down with glyphosate. Right. They went over the top of glyphosate and they were done. Yep. But you know, the big weight problem, 00:02:20 There's a lot of the ryegrass problem. There's a Creative created weed That that product is a way safer method to take grain out 00:02:29 of the field than, than what, you know, our old method was. I mean, we were using a lot of chemistry at one point. 00:02:35 Now, can we farm without plate's sake? Absolutely. I would not have a problem, um, with farming without it. Do I want to, I don't know 00:02:44 that I wanna take it outta my program. I, I think there's some adjustments to be made. I grew up in the Oklahoma panhandle 00:02:50 and that's the heart of the Dust Bowl. And you know, one thing that, uh, good chemical control allows you to do is, 00:02:57 is not put a plow in the field. Yeah. You know? And so you can sit there and kind of control things. 00:03:02 Leave that stubble out there and you know, again, like you said, temple, we can do it without, 00:03:08 but we are gonna have to probably readjust some of our tools a little. Let's, well, I mean, you think you can do it without, 00:03:13 until you, you can do it without one year and then you can do it out two years. But talk about 10 years in, there's a weed bank there 00:03:19 that is very hard to control. And if you think that you don't still have sickle pot or COA burn and you're like all them old, we, 00:03:25 we got them under control. Shoot you bad wrong. Let round up leave here. And I mean, you know, there, 00:03:31 there's a harder way to control 'em. We did it in the river bottoms, you know, and it, and it floods every year. 00:03:35 And when it floods you get a new weed bank every year. Right. So, and the birds bring them in. Right. So it's, it's Matt 00:03:42 Miles talked about in one of our previous episodes. He said, you don't think there's a weed seed? Weed seeds can hang around for 00:03:48 A Hundred years Oh. Years. And, and still be there. So there's no question. What about the, the, you even brought it up 00:03:54 and maybe the viewer didn't hear it. There's a weed, there's obviously herbicide resistance that is largely worse. 00:04:02 No other chemical had as much of a herbicide resistance issue. But it's also most chemicals didn't get used for everything. 00:04:09 40 years now. 30 years since g since GMOs. 30 years of being used. I mean, like everywhere. Right. Well, that's what I was gonna get to. 00:04:19 You know what I mean? It, you know, glyphosate created a big problem for a lot of us. You know what I mean? We got rye grass 00:04:26 that you, I mean you just brought it up. I heard just rye grass. You can't kill, you put on a gallon and a half an acre. 00:04:31 I don't care. It's like, it loves it. Mm-hmm. So we've created a lot of these problems. But it was 00:04:37 because it was such an easy button that everybody was like, this is every acre. 00:04:42 It's a cheap method. We could go out there and do it. We didn't have all these residual chemicals that were gonna be out there on the ground. 00:04:47 There was no re there, there wasn't a resistance at the time we were doing it, but boy, we created one. 00:04:53 I I think, you know, part of what's hurt us too a little bit is uh, it almost became an Olympic sport in my neck of the woods 00:05:01 to see who could do the most with the least. Yeah. And so we were like, oh, I got that with six ounces of Roundup. 00:05:09 Well, okay, maybe you did get volunteer wheat with six ounces of Roundup, but all the other wheat just breathed it in 00:05:15 and started developing a resistance to That's Exactly what we did. But you know what let's, you know, 00:05:21 let's just don't talk about lysate. What have we done over the years as farmers, even in infertility, dry fertility 00:05:28 that we've created other issues, you know, down the road assaulting problems or, or what have you. So I mean, it's just one of the things we've done. 00:05:36 And again, it took 40 years. So, I mean, I'll kind of take that and we'll fix the problem that we've had, you know, to 00:05:42 Yeah. You're saying we got a 40 year run with round. I mean, you've got a 40 year run with it and it still works. 00:05:47 We just gotta add something to it, you know? I mean, yeah. So what, okay. What's the next thing 00:05:51 that we're gonna get 40 years out of? Oh, I don't know. I got 40 years left. Do we have something that's gonna do We have, 00:05:57 there's nothing new on the table, is There? Yeah. I know. It's hard for me to sit air today 00:06:01 and see what that 40 year run would be. You know, I see a new, a new thing. I Mean, the stuff that gets up and volatilizes 00:06:07 and kills the neighbors stuff reminds me of the old band ville. And I'm going back to the eighties, I realize. 00:06:11 But just 'cause I don't work like you guys do with this stuff every day. Um, what's that stuff called? 00:06:17 The the, the stuff Die cam cam. So I mean, you can talk about glyphosate has its issues 'cause it's, you know, a trace per trillion is in your kids' 00:06:26 fruit loops or because they've got some resistance issues, it sure as hell doesn't pick up and fly to the next township 00:06:31 and kill the neighbor's field. So there's, there's a lot of, uh, more Stuff. Yeah. I mean when you 00:06:35 compare it to the stuff that we used to put out, or even dad them when we started spraying, but dad, them used to put out when we were spraying cotton 00:06:42 in the South, like, man, this, this ain't no problem. I mean, you talk about seeing pictures of people riding a, riding a mule with sacks on each side and talking about DDT 00:06:52 and they dust in the gut and like this, this is not a problem. I'm pretty sure I stirred chemicals with my hands. Yeah. 00:06:58 Oh yeah. Some of them were yellow. So I had yellow sleeves. Yeah. A bit, you know. 00:07:03 Yeah. A lot. We touched a lot of nasty stuff in the day. I mean, what happens if you, 00:07:07 you go back when Roundup first came out and, and instead of just throwing that on the market, what happens if they made you use, look, 00:07:15 if you're gonna use this program, you have to buy a residual and you have to put a residual down 00:07:20 and you're gonna use this as your post chem pass with this. And you can't continually use that. 00:07:25 Had they implemented that years ago, we would be in a very different place. But they felt like they were selling against themselves. 00:07:31 Yeah. At that point. But let's, they loved your two or three past programs you're Talking About. Exactly. But just think about it. Let's 00:07:36 just say it bought you five years. Well, I mean we, we would've still had the problem. We would've it would've just bought you five years. The 00:07:43 Good news is, is there's the technology that's out there and with the new chemistry that's coming Yeah. 00:07:48 We're we're, we're we're constantly changing. Now you don't see guys now that just have a program. Yeah. You, you don't see that anymore. That's gone. Right. Right. 00:07:58 You're right. And everybody's chemical program, like my chemical program this year is a little bit different than what it was last year. 00:08:05 Yeah. And it was way different than the year before that. So as long as we keep new chemistry out there, 00:08:12 it it allows us to, to get over that hurdle. And we get a lot more years out of things than what we did. I wanna go back to the previous thing that you said. 00:08:19 Why didn't they, and you used the, used the actual trade name Roundup, which obviously anybody watching this show knows 00:08:26 that glyphosate is the generic of Roundup whatever. But the point is you said, why didn't they put it in as a condition if to use our stuff, you've gotta do this. 00:08:33 Look at the hell Monsanto cot by making farmer sign a contract. If you use our proprietary that they spent all that money r 00:08:40 and d on, if you're gonna plant our roundup ready seeds, you're also going to agree 00:08:44 that you don't keep those seeds back and clean them. Put 'em in. And then once farmers broke that contract, cleaned their soybean seeds, replant them. 00:08:51 I personally know two farmers in, within 20 miles a year, they got sued. And then of course the NPR and the New York Times comes out. 00:08:59 Those big evil corporations are suing those farmers. I'm like, no, they're upholding a contract. Yeah. Yeah. Imagine the hell the dichotomy said 00:09:06 to use glyphosate our Roundup. You also got to agree to this, this, and this. Oh, evil. Monsanto is punishing those farmers again. 00:09:13 It's uh, I mean they, they, they got enough malign in the, they got maligned in the media as it were. Yeah. 00:09:19 And I, I think to Temple's point, and unfortunately we all learn over time. We're using Roundup today the way 00:09:26 Roundup should have voiced. But Yep. That is my point. I I, I think, you know, what we were afforded back then was the luxury 00:09:33 of we had one thing in inventory and it was life for sake. Yeah. And now we gotta manage inventory of about six 00:09:41 or seven d different things. And that's inconvenient. But if you, but that's how it should happen. But if you Didn't have it, how many things would it be? 00:09:50 Yeah. Right. That's, you know, that's right. That's, if you didn't have it, you would be spraying. 'cause I've done it, you know, we, we had to spray Yeah. 00:09:55 Four times where we got one spraying of of a product of glyphosate. One spraying of glyphosate. Yeah. 00:10:01 And then it would took us two more sprayings and a burn down to do the same thing. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's right. 00:10:06 The amount of product's, I mean, it's been valuable for Yes. The amount of product we didn't put on the surface 00:10:12 of plants and didn't put on the surface of the ground. I mean, we probably cut that in half, didn't we? Yeah. Easy. 00:10:19 I think that it's made, I mean, to be honest with you, I think it's made our soil better because it's not ever really touching the soil. 00:10:25 It's a, it's a systemic product that Yeah. Got pulled right into The plane. Well, 00:10:29 remember it's, you tell people it has no re it has no residual in the soil or no soil residual. 00:10:34 But the people that are opposed, and trust me, I try to read the anti ag media also, and there's all over social media 00:10:40 or whatever news releases from the environmental working group that will try 00:10:43 and tell you that our soil is contaminated because of overuse of glyphosate. So we 00:10:49 Never thought, well, you just don't dunno what you don't know. Well, that's right. I mean, you just gotta be smarter than 00:10:53 what you're working with, you know, and I mean, I just can't help it. You can't, ed, I mean, it's just so much education. 00:10:57 Some people will take Well, you well you probably have to cut that out, but anyway. Well, you're not insulting me. Maybe you were trying 00:11:03 To No, I wasn't. No, I Wasn't. But but yeah, it's, it's not, but I mean, it's not known as a residual, 00:11:08 but I guess there is the possibility that if you use something so much, maybe there is some, some roundup of tan. Right. 00:11:18 But the same people won't quit eating. No. I mean, the same people won't quit eating so much. Right. So I mean this, that's when you get into the 00:11:24 whole non GMO thing. You know, I mean we, we obviously know we're all, if you farm, you're a soils guy, right? 00:11:30 Yeah. Yeah. If you farm your soil's guy, I'm gonna jump up on my soapbox just a minute. But if you farm, you're a soils guy. Right? 00:11:36 So we are, we, what we're doing is we're trying to make the most we can make out of the best efficiency of our soil and taking care of it. 00:11:43 We, the ones gotta work with it. Yeah. We're the ones that gotta have it. And then they, the other side of the fence claims 00:11:49 that we're just damaging the soil. We're doing this. Right. But they're steadily eating. They're steadily eating. 00:11:54 And they still don't know where the food comes from. It ain't come from Walmart. I mean, I can, it's amazing to me. And 00:11:59 We just go back to our so worried about just a little bit of, you know, whether it may be glyphosate that's in there. 00:12:05 Um, they're still worried about that freight. It's gonna create health concerns. But if we go back to the old way, 00:12:12 and you look at the, you know, we did, uh, um, you know, a grainery episode on nutrient dense crops. 00:12:16 Yep. The nutrients that are in the crops that we're growing today that even have had g like say put on 'em versus years ago, we have to go all the way back to 00:12:25 where we used to be, where we put on all this chemistry. You don't think that that that quality 00:12:31 of food is very different than the quality of food that we have now. It is very different. Very different. Yeah. 00:12:37 And that quality of food that was way back when is probably terrible. And who knows what we can find in it. Can, can I 00:12:43 Go back to the question because I really think is can you farm that gly state? We're going through a lot of that. And then you gotta ask 00:12:49 the question, why would I have to, and there might be somebody watching this's, like, what the hell are these guys even talking about? 00:12:54 Am I, I'm certainly not the only one that feels the footsteps of environmental groups and some legislation legislators, um, banging this drum 00:13:04 that glyphosates everywhere and it's in my kids'. Fruit Loops has been going on now for six or years. I I think it's about a 50% 00:13:12 or more chance that we will have glyphosate removed from us in another few years. 00:13:18 Am I, are you, are you there? Well, I mean, I think, I, I don't doubt that we couldn't get anything 00:13:23 removed from sitting in a few years. I mean, we could be without dry fertilizer. I mean, you, you really don't 00:13:28 Know. Yeah. Here's a better question. If they do pull that, does that mean that the tech fee that we have to pay on all seed, 00:13:37 we don't have to pay it anymore? Yeah, because You can't even use the chemistry because you, I'm buying your seed. 00:13:42 The tech fee is supposed to not No, it doesn't. I'm serious. These are Do you think glyphosate gets shs? 00:13:49 Uh, I think the window is longer than a few years. I, I just always, it always amazes me how that, how slowly anything positive or negatively happens. 00:14:00 Like we talk about it, but you can't remove a tool suddenly, or, or you send some system into shock. 00:14:08 I do think Damien, the piece in Temple brought up nutrient density. And actually we've talked about it in plants. 00:14:14 We've talked about it on one of these episodes. From a parson standpoint, believe it or not, you can almost predict your weed pressures from the 00:14:22 fertility in your soil. And so you get a low calcium soil, you get east of the Mississippi, you're gonna fight a lot 00:14:29 of these grasses that these guys have talked about. And you get out where I'm at in those high calcium soils, we're gonna battle those broad leaves 00:14:36 and you can plan your applications that, you know, and farmers never look at a soil test, well what would I put for a herbicide? 00:14:43 There, you actually can start being predictive as to what would be most effective. So you don't think, you don't think Glypho gets banned 00:14:50 Or taken away from Us in The next few few? I think it's one of those things to be totally honest with you. 00:14:54 And I hate to say it like this. And I think that they're gonna, basically, it's gonna burn out. 00:14:59 You know what I mean? You think about GMOs, how it was such a hot topic. Yeah. Yeah. And it was on the tip of everybody's tongues. 00:15:05 And they didn't even know what it was because it was not enough education there. And now whether there is enough education there to burn 00:15:13 that, to burn that away, I think that it eventually kind of goes away. And I think farmers are never trying to do the wrong thing. 00:15:19 We're always trying to do the right thing. Absolutely. And for, for me, for instance, don't get me wrong, I did the whole life sake two pass program. 00:15:27 Loved it for years. It was fantastic. Yeah. It worked out. Easy. Easy. And they would tell you like, it's so safe. 00:15:34 You can drink it. Now. Did I drink it? No. I, but did I spill plenty on myself? Mm-hmm. Yes. We were gonna get cancer from it. 00:15:41 I should be dead a long time ago. Yeah. Like a long time ago. 'cause we weren't talking about going out there and spraying a little bit of grass in the crack 00:15:49 of the, of the concrete and the walk through the flip floss. We're talking about spraying 20,000 00:15:53 acres a year talking or you have Spray Through it. Yeah. What are you talking about? I'm talking about pl splashes 00:15:59 all over my shirt rest of the day. All. So the, uh, and by the way, the People, I don't, I mean, I don't think that they'll, 00:16:05 I don't think that they, the government has done a good job. The people have done a good job 00:16:09 of if they are taking something away, there's a plan in place for which way we're gonna slide into Agree, agree. 00:16:14 There's always a plan. Agree. You know, and they'll, they'll pull this out. But if they pull it out, there will be a plan in 00:16:19 place that's already proven. Yeah. Agree. They won't just throw, I already think that farmers use No, I know. 00:16:24 Less glyphosate now than what they give you years ago by a long shot. Here's one of the why. One 00:16:30 of the reasons that I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say it to you Galen, and you tell me if I'm wrong. I try to only use glyphosate, try to on my, 00:16:39 my burn down program. And I never try to put it every top of my crop. I only, I try to not put it over top of my crop 00:16:44 because we know that every time we put sate over the top, it ties up micronutrients. 00:16:50 And it is a flash in the, in the, in the corn. Mm-hmm. That we're using, you know, micronutrients to try to get it out. 00:16:57 That flash to the go through. We've been down that route so many times that we're, we're overcompensating mm-hmm. 00:17:04 By using, you know, like a manganese product Yeah. To try to get out it. We've done this for years, but we didn't know that it was happening. 00:17:11 We just said I was yellow flash. We're not gonna worry about it. So we were spending extra money. 00:17:15 So we're trying very hard and due diligently to not over utilize a product. Now it, It, it's just like every fertilizer has its place. 00:17:24 Every chemical has its place. And that's kind of what you're saying. I think all of us at this table, man, 00:17:29 we're thinking our lucky stars that glyphosate came into existence. Yes. I, I think my part of the world would've blown away, 00:17:37 you know, if we hadn't have gotten that. But I think we also realize that socially it's come under a microscope 00:17:44 and we've also realized it's smarter for us to use it a little bit better. And I think you're pointing that out, temple is, 00:17:49 you're using it where it gives you the most bang for your mug. Yep. And I can tell you right now, like, I mean, I, 00:17:54 and I, and I do know that, I mean, it will literally stop the plant. Like you can see the plants where you miss some 00:17:59 and there'll be weeds there. Yeah. But that plant is just so much healthier. Yeah. You know, it stops that plant and it takes back off. 00:18:05 But it, it has to induce it, it has to go through. I'd much rather use that product than go out there and burn down with Gramoxone. 00:18:13 'cause we used to years ago we'd burn down with Gramoxone and you just look at the box of Gramoxone 00:18:19 and it's a skull and cross bone. You're not Stir, you ain't Stirring that one up. So, I mean, I have a much better, um, you know, feeling 00:18:27 for me that that's a safe product. And That's What I, that you pour a tank and there'll be a dot on you somewhere, 00:18:32 somewhere when like it, I, I don't know how it gets there, but It's a blue dot that you get Somewhere 00:18:38 And you're like, I'm super safe, I'm gonna wear gloves. And I got the whole, all the PPE gear, whatever it is. And then you're like, you look in the 00:18:44 mirror and you got a spot right there. And then you're like, that is a close call right there. You know what's interesting is I'm around, you know, uh, 00:18:52 non-agricultural people, my travels and whatnot. And then it's always tell me about Gly fate and you know, they've heard somewhere 00:19:01 and you know, they're yoga partner or they saw it on Facebook. My Yeah. Glyph fate. 00:19:05 I'm like, well that's not really what it's called. Yeah. Sign Miami or so I, so, and then, and then 00:19:09 after they go on about, I heard they spray it and it's always this thing where they're just alarmed about it. 00:19:14 You know, the average consumer and I, they just so bad these factory farms using all these chemicals. They said, well, let's go back 40 years ago when I was a, 00:19:22 you know, freshman, sophomore in high school. I said, you think the stuff was not being used then? Well, they didn't use that. I said the kind 00:19:30 of stuff we blew out the door, you know, dual you can do and you can go through all those old trade names. 00:19:36 They fling them. They mean is fling them out there. We're using chemistry so much more judiciously now than we did then. 00:19:44 So the consumer is complaining about something that the complaint should have been made 50 years ago probably. 00:19:49 Yeah. I, I mean, I think it's always hard and I don't care if you work in ag or outside of ag, it's always it to me, 00:19:55 everything comes down to cost and benefit. And I, you know, Chad mentioned DDT earlier. Well, okay. DDTI mean, it's banned now 00:20:05 and everyone thought it was horrible, but at, at one point it was saving millions of lives because people were getting malaria. 00:20:13 Yeah. And you know, we tend to focus on the negative side or the cost. And that's what's hard is if people never hear the side 00:20:22 of the benefits, you know, I I I've been reading the book, uh, silent Spraying, which is sort 00:20:27 of like nails on a chalkboard to someone an ag. But I feel like I need to need to hear that side of it. And my issue, not that there's not good points in that book. 00:20:36 My issue is the benefits are never discussed, just The cost. It was also written from an alarmist standpoint. It was Yes. 00:20:43 And a side note to the viewer. Yeah. Rachel Carson wrote that book in the sixties, which bring, they largely, they believe began the 00:20:49 environmentalist movement. It also gave rise to the EPA, which created the DDT as evil narrative to justify the EPA existing. 00:20:59 And uh, that's the tough part. It's never really about the science. And, and back to the That's correct. 00:21:04 One thing I would ask though, these guys, it's such an effective tool, glyphosate and it's affordable and Yeah, you're using it right now and we've overused it. 00:21:12 We know that if it goes away, you're gonna have to change things up and you can make the cost argument. You can make the convenience argument. 00:21:19 Which one, the biggest, which one would be the biggest adjustment that you didn't look, if you didn't have glyphosate at your disposal this season, 00:21:26 what would be the biggest adjustment? Um, probably be the cost. It would probably be the cost. I mean 00:21:33 we, the convenience is there. It's right. But we're going to find something to spray in its spot or we're gonna spray ahead. 00:21:39 But I mean it and convenience, like it all rolls back to cost anyway. Convenience is shared of cost. So 00:21:46 Yeah, I would be in the same campus, Chad, in that it's cost and they're coming out with other good grass herbicides 00:21:52 that grain sorghum now has. Yep. That we've Never had chain that you can put a gra but, but again, by the time you pay for the genetic 00:22:00 and you pay for the treatment, you're like, boy, can the price of Milo support that? Yeah. And so I think with Chad's comment is 00:22:08 you can be effective, but can you be cost effective? And then you have a seed that's treatment trait traded again. 00:22:15 You know, I mean it's Yeah. Being able To spray over the Top. Here we go. It's traded again. Yeah. We got, it's a lot to do. 00:22:22 I think there's another argument I've had with some, not an argument, a discussion I've had with some farm people and I said, we do cry wolf 00:22:31 a little bit in agriculture. Uh, or we are a little bit chicken littles. Um, no offense all guys, no 00:22:37 Oldest guys, no Offense. I've never done it. So you're not, No offense to my farm friends. 00:22:41 Um, here's what I would say. I heard it when they took the tetracycline outta the poultry barns. 00:22:47 That was a thing for years. They put an antibiotic in the drip lines. It kept them from getting co acidosis 00:22:53 and they kept them so that they could not not die. They grew a little faster. Oh, we got antibiotic resistance. And the humans, it's gotta be because the c**k, uh, 00:23:00 because of the tetracycline. Oh, we'll never be able to grow eggs. We won't be to raise how many chicken barns are within a 00:23:06 hundred miles of you and how many chick, they don't have any problem bruising chickens or eggs. Right. So the tetracycline thing 00:23:12 was chicken little, no big deal. Same thing. Pigs 10 years ago, we're using too many antibiotics and pigs. 00:23:17 I'm working for the pork industry. Oh God. We're not gonna be able to raise pigs and pork prices are gonna double. 00:23:23 Pork prices are completely affordable. We probably would adjust if we didn't have glyphosate. It's just that it We'll, we'll squawk 00:23:31 and chicken a little it for a little bit and then probably be fine. Well, like I said, they've done a good job 00:23:35 of always having something in place. You know, I mean, there's an avenue. They'll give us an avenue. 00:23:39 Ouch. I think the worst thing would be somehow if they did, look what's happening in Europe where they start setting goals of we're just going to 00:23:46 make a government induced conversion to organic where they want you to be. No chemistry period. Sure. 00:23:53 That, that, that's a shock to the system. That's not a shock to system. That's how I don't want, I'm gonna tell you what I'll tell you 00:23:59 what would happen is there would be a lot of big weight loss going on. Well, and and the unfortunate part of that is, 00:24:06 and I've had this discussion with people on airplanes before, is, I mean, people that like, like in the US that have money, we we're not gonna starve to death. 00:24:16 Yeah. But you know, if you're not careful with these regulations, you're giving a death sentence to someone that tries to live on $2 a day. Yeah. Yeah. 00:24:26 Not in the United States necessarily, but in some countries, which is the same thing happened with the DDT thing, unfortunately. 00:24:31 Yeah. You know, I wrote about it in my book, uh, when you do the research on that, millions of lives were lost because of the banning of DDT. 00:24:37 Yeah. And you say, well that was a US ban. We made a condition that if you accepted United States Aid Yes. 00:24:43 You also had to ban it. So all of a sudden, these countries that people are living on 40 cents a day 00:24:48 to keep their little bit of meager money coming from the United States also had to get rid of the chemical 00:24:53 that prevented malaria. Well, it's A cost cost benefit. Right. Cost benefit. You have to talk about both 00:24:58 of 'em in any situation. Uh, we're talking about the thing on glyphosate. Is there anything else on that? Because I think that it's a, 00:25:05 I I, I'm, I think, I think it's a good topic. He, he says it doesn't go away very quickly. I, I think, man, I just see how it, I just see 00:25:12 how these political movements get going. And I think it's gonna be yanked. I tell you what, they better be careful of 00:25:16 The eagle that they don't know Well. Mm-hmm. Un unfortunately. But movements are emo political movements, activism. 00:25:23 It's, it, it, it preys on and feeds on emotion, not logic nor science. That's Everyone that watches you on this episode, Damian, 00:25:31 they're, they're stacking totes of life ade in the back of the barn right now. You know? Well, don't do that. Yeah. 00:25:39 But anyway, I know that Mrs. Mason will not very much, uh, be happy because she does the backpack sprayer to take care 00:25:45 of the driveway and the fence row around here. And I mean, but a Tote, a tote would finish you out. Yeah, 00:25:49 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah. If the rest of our life of owning this farm, we don't need, but yeah. Maybe 2050 or 50. 00:25:55 So gallons I thought you were gonna say something worse. 'cause there's worse things than glyphosate being banned 00:26:00 as far as the weed control around Delarosa Farms. Is that if Damien has to start doing the backpack sprayer, that's the worst thing could happen around here. 00:26:07 We know that's not gonna happen. No. He is gonna give her a weed eater. Yes. Go ahead and get that lean too. Yeah. 00:26:12 It's looking poor knee pads at least. Well, you've been here three times. She keeps the place really nice. 00:26:17 Look, I've seen her out on the tractor mowing and doing all kinds of stuff. He's like, oh, I gotta go do a podcast. 00:26:23 It's a hit. It's always a hip or something, you know, but, You know, according to him, it's, it's still work. 00:26:28 It's just different. I'm like, he's married as caretaker, His Temple Rhodes and he's married to, uh, somebody. 00:26:37 And clearly it wouldn't be me because he's, uh, my biggest critic. But anyway, we love him anyway. 00:26:41 Uh, and he is sitting with, uh, Jack Henderson here, and they're both from Extreme Ag and we're joined by our friend Galen Beer with, uh, agri Liquid, one 00:26:47 of our business partners and the sponsor of this very show, uh, they sponsored several shows here at The Greenery. 00:26:51 You know what, we welcome you to Come to the Green Ery. It's a place where you can sit and talk real talk with real farm guys about real stuff. 00:26:56 And you know what, it's a lot of fun to pull up a chair figuratively. And join us anytime here. 00:27:01 And if you wanna learn more about Agri Liquid, the website is agri liquid.com. Fertility products that can fit 00:27:07 your farming and make it better. Till next time, thanks for joining us at The Greenery. Cheers. Cheers. 745 00:27:12.325 --> 00:27:13.925