What’s the Biggest Mistake You’ve Made on Your Farm? | The Granary | XtremeAg

00:00:00 What's the biggest farming mistake you've ever made? We're talking about farming mistakes and what you learn from it. 00:00:05 In this episode of The Grainery, you ready for a conversation with some real farmers about real issues? And the best part, you are invited. 00:00:13 Pour yourself a drink, grab a snack. Most importantly, pull up a chair. Welcome to the Grainery. Hey Guys. 00:00:29 Hey there. Welcome to another fantastic episode of The Grainery. You know what? We do this and we want you 00:00:33 to pull up a chair right here because we have great dialogues about stuff that you can take home to your farming operation. 00:00:38 And you know what? It's, it's entertaining, it's fun, it's informative, and we got a great for today. 'cause I've got Gavin Spore. 00:00:43 He's a Missouri Farm guy, and he came over here in Indiana. He said, I wanna be on the set 00:00:47 with the greenery and talk to people. And we're gonna talk about farm mistakes he's made, experiments he's done. 00:00:51 But more importantly, what some of the sage wisdom, uh, he might get from Galen Beer with Agri Liquid. And Kelly Garrett of Extreme Ag, by the way, 00:00:59 agri Liquid is sponsoring this episode of The Green. We're very happy to have them here. If you, uh, don't know about Agri Liquid, you can go 00:01:04 to agri liquid.com, a line of fertility products to help you farm better. Um, biggest farm mistake you made. Wanna do this with Gavin. 00:01:12 And, uh, Gavin, of course, um, did in a different episode compared me to a high school Harry that walked 00:01:17 around college with his FFA jacket. So anyway, this is, uh, my FFA jacket from 19 86, 87 when I was 00:01:27 ninth in the nation. And there's the medal to prove it right there. I mean, you gotta squint a little bit. 00:01:32 It takes him, it takes a little bit of a magnifying. They didn't make 'em very big back then, Damien. All right, you've done some stuff and you said 00:01:39 before we, uh, started this episode. Hey, the good thing is I'm not afraid of making mistakes. I don't have the burden of grandpa and dad 00:01:45 and five generations before me telling me stuff won't work. You're not afraid to make mistakes. That's cool. 00:01:50 Yep. I learned a lot very quickly. Uh, and it can be great or it can go terrible. So I've had to go both ways. 00:01:57 Biggest mistake you've made, you've been farming since you're about 20 or 27 years old. You're gonna be starting your seventh 00:02:02 crop, eighth crop this year. Yeah. Uh, eighth crop. Okay. You're gonna one of your eighth season 00:02:05 and seven years prior to this. Tell me a couple of the mistakes you've made and then we'll see if these guys can have, uh, 00:02:11 shed a little light on that. Um, well, mistakes, I would say at the time, I didn't really know it at the time, 00:02:17 but kind of just flinging it out, flinging stuff out there and going by the book of saying, 00:02:22 this is how it should be done. 'cause I've wasted a lot of money and a lot of places just kind of following the rules, um, 00:02:30 without as much education as I should have had going into it. So just not knowing 00:02:34 what I should have done has cost me a lot of money. Well, you did what, what the advice was, but there's a couple of people here, 00:02:41 and even one of 'em is from an agricultural, uh, inputs provider. You did something really cool last year. 00:02:46 You said, Hey, I am in the business selling fertility, but you know what, if you did what the recommended university advice is, 00:02:53 you're gonna lose about $80 an acre on every acre you farm this year. You said that last year. Yeah. And really, I hadn't changed a lot 00:03:00 for this year either, Damien and Yeah, the thing is, is that it's easy to, uh, hit the easy button. 00:03:06 Sometimes you get that soul test back and you're going to just put the whole works out there. And there's an art to farming. 00:03:12 And, uh, if there's one piece of advice I can give to Gavin, it's learn the art. Now you're doing that over, uh, trying a few things. 00:03:21 So you don't wanna be afraid to try things. But mistakes can be costly. So you wanna do 'em on a small scale 00:03:26 and not do 'em across the whole farm. And I tried a few things in my younger day across the whole farm, and I'm like, why did I do that? 00:03:33 You know, I could have saved myself a lot of money there. Farming's capital intensive. So, um, just their, the art. 00:03:41 That's what sets people, people apart. If it were easy, everyone every 20 year, year old could walk in. 00:03:48 You know, obviously what you're saying is, you know, university recommendation, agronomic generally accepted, you know, they talk about generally accepted accounting 00:03:55 principles, generally acceptable agronomic and crop production principles. The thing is, sometimes it still doesn't work, 00:04:02 Right? So what's the one that you call? How, how, tell me how big did you get? Did you do one where like, you're like, holy crap. 00:04:08 Um, I'm gonna be go, I'm broke. Um, well, just scattering insane amounts of dry fertilizer on a build program going into a drought 00:04:18 cost me a ton of money. And since all of my ground is cash rented, well, I didn't lose any of it, but if I would've lost that ground, 00:04:24 there's a lot of money in fertilizer right down the drain. I never got the benefit of, 00:04:28 By the way, I asked him if he like, had this thing where he thought, oh my God, I'm going broke. You don't know Our friend Matt Miles too well, um, 00:04:35 about four to seven times a day, he, he starts screaming, oh God, I'm for sure gonna go broke. 00:04:43 He might, he, he is like a character in a movie that you're like, is this, does this dude really go through this every day? 00:04:48 He, four to seven times a day, he's convinced that he is going to go broke and he's gonna lose it all. I mean, it's, uh, it's, am I 00:04:56 Wrong? No, Matt worries a bit. Actually. He goes through an array of all of the emotions. Most every day. He's mads sad, glad, uh, terrified. 00:05:03 He goes through all of 'em. He's, uh, he keeps Life excited that way. He goes to bed very tired because he uses all the emotions 00:05:08 on the spectrum anyway. It keeps him grounded. I'm sure. Biggest farm mistake you've made, 00:05:13 or what do you think when you hear somebody like Gavin say, oh, well this is it. I sitting here listening to these guys 00:05:20 and I I talk about it, or I think about it, it's the moron method, putting more on. Mm-hmm. You know, uh, earlier in my career, farming, 00:05:29 I'd be Gavin's G'S age are just a little older. And you're looking at the recommendations. You're looking at what the retailers are talking about. 00:05:35 We need more fertility, we need more seed per acre. And that it wasn't necessary. Um, and then learning about my own farm, getting educated on 00:05:44 what we could do and how far we could dial things back, that was the solution because of the savings without any yield loss. 00:05:51 And in some places, a yield benefit, the moron method mm-hmm. Was my biggest mistake. Yeah. 00:05:56 'cause the, and, and obviously everybody in the industry wants to sell you more. Yes. That's their job. And, 00:06:01 and everyone, Damien expects people like Gavin to be responsible for his own profitability. Most of the people walking onto that farm, 00:06:10 they figure you're watching your bottom line. So they're not going to, and, you know, you wanna make sure you're getting sound 00:06:17 advice from people that wanna have you as a customer 15 years from now. Not just, Hey, I'm gonna see if I can get this on Gavin's 00:06:25 farm and, uh, see if he'll go for it. And I'll worry about if he's still around five years from now. 00:06:31 I will say, I've also watched a lot of the people that are a couple generations deep. Well, what keeps the farm going is not necessarily 00:06:39 what started the farming, what kept the farm. So trying to not necessarily keep up with the Joneses, but in a way, you know, use their management methods 00:06:47 on a farm that's just beginning. And I'm just learning the ropes that too, you know, almost tripping over yourself, trying to in, in my mind, 00:06:54 catch up with somebody who I'm not in a race with. And I've just learned that as I've, that just comes with a couple years of experience. 00:07:01 I'm still very young, but, you know. Yeah. Playing that game in my own head can, can get you also, Yeah. Don't look across the 00:07:06 fence. Yeah. Educate yourself on your own soils and your own farm. I, I think about the times, the, the years that I planted 36 00:07:13 or 37,000 population in my corn, and, and now the average, come On, your seed guy tried to talk you out that surely c 00:07:21 Surely Don't buy that much seed Goes to the point there in business of selling seed here, The business is selling seed and, you know, 00:07:27 and now my average is 28 and a half and we variable rate everything and you know, we'll go from 24 to, uh, 00:07:33 33, 34 on the variable rate, but the average 28 and a half, 29. And I, I think the plants are healthier 00:07:40 and I think the yield's better because of it. And more importantly, you can't spin your way into prosperity. 00:07:45 Some farmers do, we talk about this in different episodes of our Cutting the Curve podcast that we do, 00:07:49 but you can sure as hell look at backing off your, uh, seed spend. You'd, you'd spend 20% less per ac. Yes. 00:07:57 Which is not insignificant on $350 bags of seed, right? No, no. It's not insignificant on, on soybeans. We used to routinely plant 150,000 beans per acre. 00:08:06 Then we would turn it down. We're down in like, uh, you know, I won't have many beans this next year, 00:08:11 but last year, uh, my bean population was like 98 and a half. Think about that's a third less soybeans. 00:08:16 And we just kept dialing it back to see what was possible. And there's no yield penalty at all. 00:08:21 You know what's interesting is we said biggest farm mistake. Those aren't the biggest. 00:08:24 But what you're learning here is it's the si the art, it's the feel versus the versus the Textbook. But define define 00:08:32 biggest though. If you go years of planting 20% more seed than you need to. That biggest, when you talk about the dollars involved. 00:08:38 Yeah. Tell me that's not the biggest. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. I mean you're, it's hundreds 00:08:42 of thousands of dollars spent on the seed. That's By a thousand cuts right there. Yeah. Well, You spend a few hundred thousand dollars on seed a 00:08:47 farming, you're, you know, at least, uh, you take 20% of that out. Exactly. That could be the margin. 00:08:53 Exactly. You spending too much on seed. I've not done enough side by sides to say yes or no. But I, I think I am. 00:09:02 Well, Kelly's gonna come down to Missouri, Michigan, I'm sorry, to, uh, Mexico, Missouri, and work with you on some of your stuff. 00:09:07 And Galen's gonna be involved also, and Stephanie and the various other people from Aquid. And you know what I was saying, that they're gonna, 00:09:13 they're gonna drive up the field and say, yeah, you're planting too much. Potentially. Yeah. 00:09:18 I, we haven't talked about it yet, but potentially, uh, in a year, like this year where Galen's talking about the, uh, the fertility and the, 00:09:24 and the lack of profitability mm-hmm. Lack of potential, you know, well, Fertilizer will make you profitable. 00:09:29 I just want that. Yeah. Well, look, When I was 27 years old, I believed if I didn't put my 60, 60, 10 00:09:34 and two outta dry fertility, I was going broke. And I wasn't gonna raise a crop. I did believe that when I was 27. And that's not true. 00:09:41 Uh, uh, the soil and, and if we look at it, educate ourself on the soil, know what's in the soil, and you have a year 00:09:47 of down markets, things like that. You, I believe in my soil, I can get by for a year without that part in my budget. 00:09:53 I can save that. And then in good years, let's try to build it a little bit and Right. That's right. But that's different 00:09:58 things to different people. Yeah. Where do you think that now you're looking at it and saying, guys, this is causing me 00:10:04 to question a few things that I've been spending a little bit more on. Again, it's not, it's not catastrophic mistakes, 00:10:10 but you're like, it's not even a mistake. It's just, I'm spending a little bit more here, here, here. I mean, that's, that's where you 00:10:15 start thinking, right? Yeah. And then you start to add those, what that is on an acre, and then expand it on your whole operations. 00:10:20 Like that's a guy salary that you got sha and not necessarily hurt yourself. It could be a benefit. I used to say there isn't maybe one thing 00:10:28 that we can do today to make a hundred thousand dollars, but there's 10 things we can do to make $10,000 Yeah. 00:10:33 Each and, and that it really adds up. I think it's important to point out the person watching this Galen's, not just with agro liquid, 00:10:39 he actually farms in Oklahoma, which, uh, is, is is very difficult. I'm sure. I mean, I think they get 00:10:44 Super difficult farms In the pan. He farms in the panhandle, Oklahoma pick the worst place. 00:10:50 They, they get one, one year they got six inches of rain. Yeah. If it was a video game, he's on expert level. 00:10:56 That's right. That's right. Uh, so Here's an interesting one. You talk about how you look at things differently, you know, 00:11:02 on an age comparison and years in the game. You've been in the farming game for a long time, 30 plus years. 00:11:08 You've been in the farming for a long time. And so here's, uh, Gavin been in it, and for seven years, I'm sure you're looking at it saying, 00:11:14 yeah, man, it is not that I was doing anything glaringly wrong, but I just now have a little better feel for stuff. 00:11:20 So that's where it's kinda like golf or whatever. I think it takes a lot of experience to get the feel. I think, uh, you know, the, the hard lesson 00:11:27 to learn a little bit in agriculture is the consistency game. Uh, I, I can tell you that in 2011, 00:11:35 even though I wasn't involved in the family's farming operation at that time, the drought was so severe that you couldn't put enough water on a 00:11:43 corn crop in that year. And so then you start letting that thought creep in every time you're making a decision and you start trying to hedge your bet. 00:11:53 The other thing is, you always remember that banner year when you got everything you wanted when you needed it, and you hit those high yields 00:12:01 and then you start thinking, well, I'll push that many chips on the table every year. And successfully comes in that evaluation process of knowing 00:12:10 where reality lies. What's the proper amount of investment to make? What can I realistically expect? 00:12:16 And then does that replicate itself over time? We become emotional, and when it's dry, it's never gonna rain again. 00:12:23 And when it's good, it's never gonna be bad again. Yeah. And we're wrong both times. We are, we are. 00:12:28 It is interesting because I, you know, it's been shown that people hate losses twice as much as they enjoy a win. And so I can't remember that year 00:12:38 that I told you everything went right, but I can sure tell you the year that everything went wrong. And again, it starts playing with your head. Yeah. 00:12:44 Oh, I need to put this nutrient out here. Wait, no, I better not. It could be 2011 all over again. Well, that's 14 years removed. You know, it's 00:12:52 Easy to say. You're supposed to have, have a short memory, you know, in anything, you know, in sports, you know, you go out and, 00:12:58 and get your, get your, get your ass knocked around in the wrestling match. Hey, you're supposed to forget about that. 00:13:03 Well, I got four more matches today in this tournament. And you're supposed to forget about that one. You, you know, well, that's neat to say. 00:13:10 Financial losses, uh, bad crops, bad business decision. It's neat to say, have a short memory. And don't forget and just forget about it. I, I can't. 00:13:19 No, no, I can't. I can't either. All those poor souls you beat in high school with your expert soil judging skills, 00:13:26 they're probably talking about it today, Damian. You took them their butt around. You Know what ly man, I bet you a lot of them. 00:13:32 I bet you a lot of 'em never even went and got an a degree in agronomy. 'cause they said, I got beat by Mason. 00:13:37 Clearly this career is not for me. I was recruited by Purdue, by the way of soil, soil judging team. 00:13:44 I mean, I was recruited, Hey, lemme show you my medal here, Gavin. This is, that's my medal right now. 00:13:49 You see, it says KC 'cause it was in Oklahoma. I mean, it's pretty isn't. I did this in his home state. That's where I won the National 00:13:56 Chief. I've seen the plaque at Purdue that says, our biggest regret recruiting Damien Mason. Well, That was on it. 00:14:02 The biggest example is I never went on the Team. There's a funny one you can appreciate. All joking aside about my soil prowess, um, 00:14:10 I lost money in an investment when I was in my late twenties. You know, I started making decent money in my comedy gig, 00:14:16 and I put it into this, and I remember it just, it, it tanked. Went $50,000. 00:14:22 And I remember someone our age now telling me as a young guy, oh, well, you know, what? If that $50,000 is all you ever losing your investments, 00:14:30 you'll be really well off. And I were thinking, whoa, I I, I, I don't, I don't don't wanna ever lose anything ever 00:14:36 again, let alone this much. And you look back and you realize that that person was a seasoned business person 00:14:42 and said, yeah, if 50 grand's all you ever lose when you're out here trying to get ahead, uh, consider yourself lucky. 00:14:47 And that's, that's unfortunately what we're talking about in farming. I don't really like to call those lot losses. 00:14:52 I like to call 'em tuition. Yeah. Very Exchange. You know, I, I, I figure they're a way of learning. 00:14:56 And so it's tuition and it somehow softens a blow from just calling it an outright Loss. I feel like I have a PhD 00:15:01 then. So the point is, we we're not, anyway, being callous 50 grand's. 50 grand. And there's been a lot 00:15:06 of times when in my business where I'm like, you know, Lori, what's our accounts for receivable? 00:15:11 We owed 400. Get on a horn, you know, four. Oh. But in the, you get to a certain point, you're like, yeah, well we lost on that. 00:15:19 And it's like you said, it's the best lesson of the ones you pay for. Yeah, they are. But, you know, 00:15:23 and then you have to be careful not to always be protecting yourself from loss a little bit. And I, the, the other thing that I think, uh, you know, 00:15:32 and Matt Miles made this point this last year in the lab we did on his place. 00:15:36 He, I might point out Matt Miles did not win the lab on his own farm. Uh, he will not tire of hearing that. 00:15:43 He might tire of hearing it, but he won't ever be done hearing it. Uh, that's right. But, but he gave, he'll tell it, 00:15:49 he gave Sage advice at the end because, you know, I think you ask him, are you gonna change, uh, you know, anything on your farm? 00:15:56 He said, look, it's got my attention, but it's one year. Yeah. One set of circumstances. 00:16:01 And, you know, sometimes on our farm will evaluate some product that maybe we've never tried before or some variety. And it shows that one year next thing you know, we're, 00:16:11 we're like, well, let's take that to the whole farm and you have to be patient with that. You Can't, and one year doesn't mean it 00:16:17 should be grower standard practice. To Matt's credit, he said he hoped he didn't win because he wanted to learn something so he could do better. 00:16:23 But then when he didn't win, it was hard on his pride a little bit as it would've been hard on mine. 00:16:27 But Matt had the right attitude. If I win, that means I don't have any room for improvement. That's, that's right. So, so, so the response is 00:16:34 because he's so bothered by it now, they're gonna do a soybean yield competition at his farm, and Matt's competing in that one. 00:16:40 And so the other extreme ag guys, because, uh, they, they, they naturally bothered by losing. And I, I say, I say that I can't make soybeans profitable, 00:16:48 so I'm gonna raise corn and, and cattle and Chad and Temple and Matt are gonna come 00:16:52 up there and we're gonna raise beans. And it's gonna be hard on my ego, but I hope I don't win because if I can learn how to make 'em profitable 00:16:58 and learn how to improve, and those three are great soybean farmers. So it will be interesting. Gavin, 00:17:03 I'm not joking Matt, on that day, the myriad of emotions that he went through, he went, 00:17:08 he saw them all that day, every Single one of them multiple times. So Every color of the rainbow. 00:17:14 So are you afraid of, are you afraid to make mistakes, uh, more now than you were your first couple years? 00:17:18 I think I am mostly because when I first started, I didn't know that stove top was hot. 00:17:24 Now I've done just enough experimenting that I know it burns now I I think about it more than 00:17:31 when I first started. Yeah. It's a great analogy. You can see where you can see where you get older and you become more protective mm-hmm. 00:17:37 Of, uh, yes. Like, Hey, man, I tell you what, man, I I've, I've been stung. I've been stung enough. I 00:17:42 don't want to get hit in the face again. Yep. Yeah. When I first started, I, I was game for everything. And now I've, I've tried just enough things that I'm, I'm, 00:17:50 I can see myself mentally shutting some doors off and I know I shouldn't do that, and I should always keep experimenting on certain things, 00:17:56 but I've almost convinced myself that, oh, this won't work here. And I, I hated when I was younger Yeah. 00:18:01 And I would see that in older guys. Yeah. And I realized I'm doing it now. Yeah. And, and imagine going down the road 00:18:07 another 20 years and you Yes. You start doing that and it's not, it's not where you should be. 00:18:11 You should always be open to, uh, new ideas, obviously. It's just, there's sometimes you're like, Hey man, I've got enough experi that experience 00:18:17 that I know this. And, uh, it's Always be open to new ideas, but try not to make the same mistake twice. Yeah. 00:18:23 Yeah. I mean that the stove burns and it hurts. And, you know, I think, I mean, I've walked on guys' farms before and if you even say liquid fertilizer, nope. 00:18:35 That stove burned me and I will go back to my dry program and I mean, I get where it's easy to, you know, 00:18:42 a bad memory like that can kind of start dominating your decision making, but at the same time, it can cause you 00:18:48 to not make good decisions as well. So you have to, you have to have a bit of a goldfish memory at times so 00:18:55 that those things don't linger too long. Well, Like you said, it becomes almost a handicap. Yeah. Then you're just, uh, then you're never going 00:19:00 to embrace, you know, anything. Yeah. Just because somebody had a bad experience with liquid fertilizer, 00:19:06 it doesn't mean all liquid fertilizer programs or products are the same. And so you can't have that mentality, 00:19:12 you shouldn't have that mentality. What are you prepared to, you know, $50,000, uh, you re prepared to lose $50,000 this year on 00:19:21 a, on, on a, well, Looking at the markets, I don't know if a young guy can afford to lose 55. That's the, that's the scary thing is like you could do 00:19:30 so much more experimenting when you could afford to really screw up. But right now, like, man, you can't afford that's, 00:19:36 and you shouldn't, I mean, but you, you have to keep propelling Ford and doing those experiments, otherwise you're leaving money on the 00:19:42 table by not trying it. Yeah. Maybe just keep the scale in mind, you know, a little bit. But yeah, $8 corn, $8 corn, you can pay a tuition 00:19:51 to an Ivy League school and, and uh, and, and $4 50 cent Corning barely afford to homeschool. So you just have to kind of keep those lessons in mind. 00:20:02 But I think you're, you know, just listen to some of the things you've tried and some of the experiences you've had. 00:20:08 It feels like you're striking a good balance. Just, you know, you always, I think Kelly is where he is on his nitrogen use rates and things like that 00:20:16 because he just always kind of, you probably went too far one way at one Time. No, you have 00:20:21 to go too far to find the limit. Yeah. Yeah. And then you gotta dial it back. So we actually need to go around the, the room more 00:20:27 and say, okay, can you gimme another big farm mistake? Uh, before we, uh, you know, close out this episode, I think that we can all say, Jas biggest farm mistake he made was 00:20:36 starting farming in Guyman, Oklahoma. I mean, if you're going, Can I put that on any of my ancestors 00:20:43 or is it all on me? Damien, so, So, uh, biggest mistake was because I said that, by the way, I, I joking. 00:20:49 I called my brother years ago. I did a speaking engagement for the California Alma Alliance. 00:20:53 He said, he called me. He is like, what's going on? I said, I'm in California. I said, I said, you know what mistake we made? 00:20:58 We were born into a very labor intensive shoestring budget, dairy operation in northeastern Indiana. 00:21:04 Why couldn't we have been born into agriculture in an almond production thing in, I said, sunny, it's nice. 00:21:11 You don't have, if you, you don't have to show up in milk, the almond tree twice a day. 00:21:14 I mean, why couldn't we have done this? So I got the same thing on, uh, where I was born into. Um, yeah, you got a couple mistakes 00:21:21 you've made just in the last couple years. You're like, oh man, I, I don't view even stuff that I screwed up on. 00:21:27 I don't view 'em as mistakes. I, I look at lessons like, like they're lessons, you know, and the, like, the little victories and stuff. 00:21:32 I tried. I, I did. It's something I didn't do this year and I did in 2023 was 15 inch corn. And I, I really liked 15 inch corn. 00:21:41 Uh, no, I didn't do it in 2024. Just 'cause my operation's so spread out. If we got in a situation 00:21:46 where I'd have a neighbor helped me finish harvest, right? I, you know, there's no one else with 15 inch corn head 00:21:51 around, but agronomically, I really liked 15 inch corn. Um, and yields were terrible in 2023, but it just seemed to hold on longer. 00:21:59 Those plants were further apart. We got a tender corn. Corn. So your answer to horrible corn is, I'm doing that again. Yeah. I, 00:22:05 I would really like to try It spaced out The plants. You shaded the soil. I'm convinced. Yes. I'm convinced. 00:22:10 That was my best thing. The beef, feeding the beef yard people or we're losing $104 a head's. 00:22:16 What do get more hit. Yeah, that's right. It'll turn around. I'm turning a billion into a million. 00:22:22 Hi Kelly. You've done 15 inch corn. Speaking of mistakes, uh, you're not as sold on it as Mr. Gavin. 00:22:27 It, it didn't work out for us, but he's further south in a different environment. We did it. Uh, we got a 15 inch head 00:22:34 and my, my oldest son Connor, we call him Vern, you know, he is Vern's just a couple years younger than you. 00:22:39 We were so excited about it and Vern talked about making the box bigger around the corn because we're spacing out the plants 00:22:44 and this is gonna be awesome and holy smokes, it wasn't good for us and we won't do it again. 00:22:49 We tried it on 80 acres and it, it took a long time to harvest. And the yield was, the yield was a huge penalty 00:22:57 to our 30 inch corn. Doesn't mean it won't, you know, you're how many miles? You're 250 miles south though in different soil. 00:23:04 It might be better for you. Yeah. But that's why you need to try. And I say don't look across the, don't look across the fence. Yeah. 00:23:09 I've always heard the further north you go, the more advantageous narrow roses. No, We thought so. I 00:23:15 I liked it too. It, I could get away since we're so spread out and pretty, pretty thin crew. 00:23:21 One herbicide pass. Yeah. 'cause it shaded some the canopy. So, so even if the yield was identical, there was 00:23:27 so many advantages in the springtime. 'cause we could just one pass and be Done less Spray your pass Absolutely considerable. It's, 00:23:33 Yeah. 15 inch corn for me, we, it was so hard to combine for us that we argued over who had to run the combine. 00:23:39 Oh geez. Vern loves to run the combine. He's like, boy, dad, you can get in there if you want. Yeah. You know, when people are trying 00:23:45 to get off the combine, it's bad. Yeah. Because I mean, that's the cust job on the farm anymore. 00:23:51 You know, that's what I tell Richie and Vern that we're in the combine. Yeah. That's the cushy job. 00:23:55 It is a c if you don't break wheels and things like that. Yes. But, you know, yeah, it is this day 00:24:01 and age auto steer stuff. I'll sit on there all day long talking About the biggest mistakes you made on your farm 00:24:06 and the lessons you take took from 'em. That's the most important thing is that you always learn from your mistakes. 00:24:10 You know what, if you wanna share your mistakes or more importantly hear from other people about their mistakes, you're at the right place. 00:24:14 You're at the table here at the Grainery. This episode of the Grainery is brought to you by our friends at Aggro Liquid Galen Beer is, I'm, uh, 00:24:20 proud, uh, employee of ga of, of Agri Liquid. He is also a Guyman Oklahoma farmer. 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