Farming Podcast | Reducing Phosphorus Fertilizer Costs | XtremeAg

00:00:00 Fertility prices are rising to an all time high. Commodity prices are low. You've gotta watch your bottom line, 00:00:05 particularly on phosphorus, and we're gonna give you tips on how you can do that. This is a great episode on saving money without sacrificing 00:00:12 yield and keeping your fertility levels up. This episode of extreme Ag cutting the curve, It's extreme ag cutting the curve podcast, 00:00:19 cutting your learning curve, and improving your farming operation every week. This episode of The Cutting the Curve podcast is brought 00:00:26 to you by BASF, creating innovation to help farmers do the biggest job honor. And now let's get ready to learn 00:00:34 with your host, Damien Mason. Hey there. Welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Acts Cutting the Curve. 00:00:40 I got a great one for you today. Got Temple Roads coming at you from Maryland. I got Rebecca, I think the name is Minch. 00:00:45 Say your last name. Rebecca, It's Minch. You are correct. Rebecca Minch. And she is with concept agritech. 00:00:51 And we said, you know what, temple, what's something that people should learn right now? We're recording this in the middle of October of 2025. 00:00:57 You are looking at decisions on how you're going to crop in 2026. We know that MAP and DAP are very, 00:01:03 very prohibitively expensive. I don't buy fertilizer the way you guys do, but certainly I keep up with all the headlines 00:01:08 and I'm seeing this and I know this is gonna be a real concern. Turns out you might be over applying phosphorus, 00:01:13 maybe you've got phosphorus that's already available and you're not tapping into it. Maybe you just need to change your mindset 00:01:18 and reverse some of the things you've always done. Change up what you've always done, and you will still be in the black in 2026. 00:01:25 That's what we're covering here today. Temple, you brought up this topic. I like it. You said Map and dap are really, really, uh, expensive. 00:01:31 I've gotta change stuff. Before we hit record, I said, what are you gonna change? Um, this is not easy. 00:01:38 No. It's one of The, one of the big fertility sources. Yeah. I mean it's, it's not easy, but there is a tremendous amount of phosphorus 00:01:46 that's already in a lot of our souls and, and we just gotta learn how to, to get some of that out. And it's really about time management. 00:01:55 You know, we try to manage everything out, um, and we sp we talk about spoon feeding all the time. Well, keep in mind, you know, if we're going out there 00:02:04 and spreading, you know, dap in the spring ahead of the planners, and in my case, you know, for instance, 00:02:12 we're spreading fertilizer right now. Well, I'm actually not spreading fertilizer, but I got had some guys call 00:02:17 and said, you know, they want to know what their options were. Like, what, what I think they should do ahead 00:02:22 of this wheat crop because they went out and got wheat crop prices just for a little bit of fertility spread dry fertilizer, 00:02:29 and they're up to like $120 an acre. And in reality it's not a lot of plant food. And I said, you know, maybe you guys need 00:02:39 to take a different stance and kind of step back from this just a little bit. You know, um, Rebecca brought something up that is 00:02:45 that I tell a lot of people, you know, when you're looking at a 200, 250 bushel corn crop, there's an awful lot of phosphorus that's in that. 00:02:53 Can we break that down? Can we get that back into the sold? Yeah, that's one of the things that we can do. 00:02:59 And um, Rebecca probably should chime in on that, um, here in a minute. But we, there's so many other ways that we can do this 00:03:07 and we put a lot of this fertility out there and as soon as we put it into the ground, realize that there's no efficiency to the product whatsoever. 00:03:16 I mean, at best, you know, pounds of phosphorus that we're getting out there per acre, we're getting maybe 20% that's not very efficient. 00:03:25 Mm-hmm. And then we put it in the soil that either is high in aluminum, high in iron, high in calcium, and then all the rest of that phosphorus 00:03:33 that we put out there gets locked up into the soil and we're only getting 20% out. Like, it's like saying, Hey, 00:03:38 I'm gonna go put a hundred dollars in an account, but I can never take any anything else out. But, but $20, like 00:03:45 what do we keep putting this into? Yeah, we gotta Figure out way to Get some things back out. We said we're gonna have to change thinking, 00:03:52 but really of, of all, when you, and it took me working with extreme ag to even learn this, that like only one third 00:04:01 of applied nitrogen actually gets into crop less than that on phosphorus gets. So we're spending an exorbitant amount 00:04:07 of money right now when, when things are obviously very tight to even below break even to get this low amount. And I get it, there's some things that are, you know, 00:04:17 agronomically, uh, impossible or at least difficult. But this seems like the, as Kelly always says, the low hanging fruit, we're putting a whole bunch 00:04:26 of phosphorus out there and we're getting very little of it into the actual plant. We gotta, we gotta change, we gotta change this. 00:04:34 Yeah. And I, I think there's a bunch of different ways that you can kind of focus on doing this, right. So the one thing that I've been kind 00:04:40 of pushing towards guides this season is talking about residue management. What can you do with your residue in order to get some of 00:04:47 that phosphorus that's tied up in your stove available? Um, so a lot of people use, you know, residue manage management products. 00:04:54 I know we have one, it's called residue rx. I'm not gonna go deep into detail. Um, but a lot of those products have, you know, 00:05:00 your nitrogen fixers, your phosphorus izer, they also have potassium solubilizer. So in accordance to all your NP 00:05:07 and K, you can actually get quite a few units back. Phosphorus, specifically speaking, um, you go put a product like this out 00:05:14 and you can release up to 23 pounds of phosphorus. So I mean, in comparing that to maybe dap, say you only get a percentage of that, right? 00:05:21 Released, say you get 15 pounds of your phosphorus released, and I mean at about a dollar 89, almost $2 now 00:05:28 of DAP per pound, that's almost $30 an acre that you could be reducing in your dry budget for the next season using DAP 00:05:36 or map, um, just from releasing it in your stove. I Mean, you could reduce dapper map because you're gonna grab 30 pounds, uh, I'm sorry, $30, 00:05:45 15 pounds and that's not even as much. You said you used a number before up to 23 pounds, which at two bucks is 46 bucks. 00:05:51 Well, this could be a year where if you 46 bucks could be a difference between losing and breaking even. 00:05:57 Exactly. Well, the, the other side of that, Rebecca, is, is like, that's an organic form of 00:06:03 phosphorus versus a synthetic form of phosphorus. What's the efficiency in between those two? So I would say, I mean, if you're using any of your, any 00:06:13 of your inorganic forms of phosphorus, so I mean, if you're gonna go out and put out something that's high in poly too, um, poly phosphorus has 00:06:21 to be cycled through your soil. So it's gotta be cycled into an ionic form in your soil solution by microbes and mineralized in order to get used. 00:06:29 So having phosphorus from a residue breakdown product that's already mineralized cuts out about two steps in the, in the cycling process of phosphorus already. 00:06:38 So I'd say the efficiency is probably, you know, 20% from just straight up applying, uh, poly phos and now you're getting it cycled from your soil already. 00:06:48 And that's probably almost up to 80% in some cases of efficiency. Yeah. So it's a completely different source. 00:06:55 Not only that, you know, I, and I'm, again, we're not supposed to be sitting here talking about a product, 00:07:00 but like one of the things with this product that she's talking about, it actually feeds the microbes that are out there in your soil. 00:07:06 So it's kind of like supercharging that whole system, The product residue rx. So first off, residue management in the old days used 00:07:16 to mean a moldboard plow. And we know that that's not, by the way, Rebecca, I know you're younger than us, Google that 00:07:23 for people your age and younger Google that because I know you don't know what that means. So anyway, that was completely wrong. 00:07:30 And these products now, like residue RX breaking down what is in there, and a bunch of the companies we work with have these, these, uh, residue management products. 00:07:39 Uh, like, like Tim said, it does more than just, it does more than just, it does it the right way. We're not, we're not using, we're not using 00:07:48 tillage, we're not using. So that's the cool part. And what about the release? Like Temple just said something about the release. 00:07:52 Is there, is there a component to it with that? I mean, again, it, it all has to do with the microbial breakdown. 00:07:59 So it's a, it's a little hard to describe the, the entire piece cycle if that maybe confusing some people. Um, but I would just just focus more on, more 00:08:08 or less on doing it the proper way. 'cause I know a lot of people you just mentioned moldboard plowing and I, I might be young, 00:08:14 but I'm not that young Damien. So, um, you gotta remember I'm a Minnesota girl at heart and there's a lot of old board plowing up there. 00:08:21 So realistically when you're, when you're going and just disking stove under or even burning it, you're getting the improper 00:08:27 breakdown of that. And especially when you're doing that, you're also izing or gassing off about the four top four 00:08:33 to six inches in your soil of the nutrients that are there as well. So really you're losing a whole lot more nutrients 00:08:39 by doing it the improper way. Um, and gassing off, I mean, those four to six inches hold a lot 00:08:47 of your pounds when you think about phosphorus specifically. I mean, when you take a soil sample 00:08:51 and you look at your Bray one or your Bray two or your maix, and there's a lot of pounds tied up there, 00:08:57 and you could be losing a whole lot of that by not utilizing the right practices. Got it. So, all right, 00:09:04 so we talked about breakdown and residue. So let's go back to reducing our, our phosphorous, uh, purchase temple. 00:09:11 If we're only getting 20% of it it used, then the first answer is, that's why I got put it out there. Because if I don't put enough out there, given 00:09:19 that only 20% gets up there, the other way to look at that is why not just figure out a way to get more than 20% utilization? 00:09:25 And I know from working with guys like you and extreme ag phosphorus doesn't move, can we just cut back? 00:09:31 Can we just cut back and better and, and, and put it more where it needs to be cut back by half and try and put it where it needs to be next to the plant? 00:09:39 Yeah, you can, um, we, you can really cut back a lot if you start looking at banding fertility. 00:09:46 If you ban fertility, we cut back at least 40 to 50% just because we're right there on top of that row. 00:09:53 And in, in a, you know, a very close form. Um, we do a lot of that. Um, but you, you really need to look at doing it as a, 00:10:04 as a program where you stretch it out versus, you know, spread it all out there one time and you're done with it, but you're only getting 20% of it 00:10:14 and that's good that you're getting something, but then the rest of it's locked up in the soil. You gotta have a way to, you know, one, you wanna try 00:10:21 to unlock some of those things and get it back into the plant. You wanna try to do that. But the other things you wanna do 00:10:26 is keep in mind that most plants, corn, soybeans, and wheat, most of the needs for that phosphorus nutrition is in the reproductive stages. 00:10:39 But yet we put it out all the way in the beginning and we're giving it all that time to lock up in our soil. That's why we're not getting the efficiency of it. 00:10:47 So you can improve efficiency just by putting it on at the right time and letting it take it up into the plant instead 00:10:53 of getting it, you know, letting it get away and letting it get locked up. There's different ways to do that, you know, 00:10:58 and you, a lot of that can be done fo your nutrition. A lot of that can be done late season y drop, um, and get closer to those areas of, 00:11:09 of influence versus throw it out there, you know, we used to call it blow and grow. You know, I, I don't know how nicer to, how 00:11:17 to say it ain't nicer, but I mean, it literally was let's blow it all out there and then we're gonna grow it. 00:11:22 You know, you always says, oh, you know, just fling it everywhere. Isn't that what you always says, Dean Fling? 00:11:26 Let's just fling, let's just fling it. Let's just fling it. So I, I think that we need to do a better job of managing, 00:11:33 you know, we're trying to do the best job of managing our finances and we try to be efficient with everything else. 00:11:40 Why exactly aren't we efficient with our fertility needs? When that plant needs that? Why are we not that way? 00:11:47 Yeah. So the, there, there's the point of maybe on DAP and map, we know that those are broad acre flinger, flinger type products. 00:11:56 Why not just cut back on the, since they're expensive, cut back on them and then figure out a way to get it in there. 00:12:01 Those thing is, Rebecca, you might be saying yeah, but you're still, it's either spend it now or spend it later. 00:12:05 What's the answer? I think what Temple said, to be honest, is spacing it out at correct timings 00:12:11 or more accurate timings is probably the best way to go about it. Um, instead of flinging a bunch outta there. 00:12:16 If you think about at plant, right? If you were to put down as much fertility as you wanted to at plant, usually your plants a can only take up so much 00:12:24 because they're young, they're in the seedling stage. But not only that, that fertilizer really, even with being broken down, that really only lasts available for 00:12:32 around six to eight weeks. Yeah. So, I mean, all that fertilizer you're putting out at plants not necessarily gonna be utilized. 00:12:38 So I think spreading it out throughout the season's, probably the best thing you can try to do. Favorite statement that our man Matt Miles made a long 00:12:45 time ago, and it really was a good, it was illustrative. That means it illustrated the point. 00:12:52 Uh, he said, he said, I got a baby sitting in the high chair, actually I, maybe I had the high chair. 00:12:58 He says, you put a, you put enough food in front of that baby for the next year and clearly the baby can't eat it all and then it goes bad 00:13:06 and it's just a waste and you didn't really help the baby. Now I'm, as you put it out there for a lifetime, 00:13:11 that's kinda what we're talking about here. You put all this stuff out there at time of plant and it goes to waste, doesn't get there. 00:13:16 Alright, gimme another tip on how I can reduce my spend on, um, on p Rebecca. 00:13:23 See, I think the, the next thing would really be focusing on your source of p um, your source of phosphorus that you're gonna be using throughout the season. 00:13:32 So again, we've been talking about maybe cutting back on your maps and DAPs, um, moving from something that's maybe, 00:13:39 you know, an 80 20 breakdown of polyphosphate to orthophosphate. Maybe moving that to something 00:13:44 that's a little bit more 50 50 or a closer, um, ratio can also give you a lot more availability within the season. 00:13:51 So what Polyphosphate does in the soil is basically it's a lot more unavailable, right? 00:13:56 It's chelated. You have to have microbe microbial breakdown in order to get that phosphorus available. 00:14:03 Now, your ortho phosphorus is more or less used as that kind of instant reaction phosphorus that's gonna be taking it up immediately. 00:14:10 So having a ratio that's not so extreme, like an 80 20, um, and maybe moving towards a 50 50 00:14:16 or even a 60 40, 40 can give you a lot more efficiency early season. Or whenever you're gonna be applying it 00:14:21 to sustain you a little bit longer throughout the season, You gonna change your source. 00:14:26 Tim? Um, I've already changed all my sources. You know, I, I kind of, um, I'm not saying that we still don't need map 00:14:35 and dap, maybe we just don't need as much upfront as what we originally thought. You know, cut back there, put it where it, 00:14:42 put it, where it should be. And we, we've changed a lot of it. We've gone into a lot of liquid fertility 00:14:49 and we've gone away from the dry. Um, there's, there's a lot of different reasons that we've done that. 00:14:55 But, you know, here's one for you Rebecca, and you can tell me why this happens, but, um, I haven't had any dry fertility on my farms 00:15:03 for three years now, and I've changed to this kind of, this new program. And, and in some years if it's, uh, droughty conditions 00:15:11 and it quits raining, we can't, um, you know, we, we really can't afford to put on anymore. So, you know, we can kind of spoonfeed our finances 00:15:22 as we spoonfeed that plant. You know, we can ramp up when we're getting rain. We can, we can cut back when we're not getting rain, right? 00:15:30 And it, and it's changed the way that we spend money and it's made us think differently. You know, we're raising the plant, not raising the acre. 00:15:39 That's kind of how we've, we've started to think about this and we've changed this for a while now. 00:15:44 What I don't understand, and Rebecca I'm gonna need you to chime in on this, why is it that after three years, you know, 00:15:51 we do soil testing twice a year every year and we average kind of average the two. We do one in the spring and one in the fall, 00:15:58 and then we kind of average out why is it that over three years? 'cause everybody's gonna say, oh, if you don't do this, 00:16:03 you're gonna mine your soil. You know, you're gonna mine your soil. And I agree with them a certain amount, 00:16:09 but what I don't understand is, is over the last three to five years, we've cut back on dry fertility, but yet my levels are either the same 00:16:20 or they've actually raised up just a hair on phosphorus and potassium. Like, tell me why that's happening. 00:16:27 Is it because we've learned how to break down residue and we're getting some of that, um, that stove broke down into the soil profile 00:16:35 or what is going on here? So I think it goes back again to that pea cycling, right? So I'd say a lot of it probably has to do 00:16:43 with you breaking down your stove more efficiently, right? You're putting a lot more of 00:16:46 that mineralized pea back into your soil so you're showing more pounds in your soil in those top four to six inches in your soil sampling. 00:16:53 Another reason, um, could be also that there is a lot of mineral phosphorus already tied up in our soils already, right? 00:17:00 We think lower than that's four to six inches. And you start thinking about what's actually deep down in your, in your soils that rock phosphate. 00:17:07 So some of that mineral phosphorus actually goes through recycling process with the microbes that are already there as well. 00:17:13 Um, and it gets weathered. And that's what that process of weathering basically brings it back up into your soil solution from year to year. 00:17:21 So that's also another point that could maybe explain that. Well, I was kind of thinking maybe it's 00:17:28 because my soil health every year is getting a little bit better and a little bit better. 00:17:32 You know, there's more microbial activity out there than was in years previous, you know, so is that part 00:17:39 of what's happening out here that, you know, my soul balance or my soul condition, you know, 00:17:45 is getting into a better health? By the way, that brings up another, we should do another episode just on that. 00:17:51 But the point is all these recommendations, and this is the thing, Rebecca, I know I jumped in here. You probably went to an ag school like I did, 00:17:58 and then some of the stuff they're still doing and recommending is from the sixties. Uh, you know, and what if we don't need all this stuff 00:18:08 and what if it turns out better earthworm activity or, or, uh, doing steps to preserve organic matter and, uh, extreme reductions of, uh, tillage make it so that 00:18:20 we still, we we we just don't need the level of phosphorus because of every other component. 00:18:24 And I know you're gonna say, yeah, but the plant still needs this much. We know scientifically 00:18:28 whatever. So what's your thoughts on that? So I think a, yeah, we might be better at what we're doing, right? 00:18:33 So a lot of those practices can help improve our soils. But I think another portion of that is also just balancing your soil in general, right? 00:18:39 So like I know that temple spent a lot of time looking at soil tests, trying to compare everything and making sure that some 00:18:46 of his ratios are a little bit more accurate, that his calcium and mag are not antagonizing each other. So the more balanced that you get your soils over these, 00:18:55 you know, next five to 10 years, 'cause it does take a long, long time to focus on that, right? 00:19:00 I think the more balanced that your soils are, the more efficient you are when you're using those fertilizers. 00:19:05 So that's why you're seeing a lot more pounds in your soil. That's probably why you're seeing a hot 00:19:08 lot better efficiencies. So I think overall, the more balance that you get, probably the less dry that you could be putting out 00:19:15 and maybe moving to a more liquid system. Now, I'm not gonna say that you can completely get rid of dry fertilizer. 00:19:22 I don't think anyone out here believes that, but you'll still need to use it depending on, you know, maybe something that you've been low in. 00:19:30 All right? So, uh, Temple's point organic. Let's just talk about the, the things that you think that might help you. 00:19:36 Okay. Increase organic matter. Make it so you can apply less phosphorous temple. Yeah, it does. I mean, if you can increase organic matter, 00:19:45 um, it helps absolutely everything. If you can improve CECs, it improves absolutely everything. So I'll give you a, uh, something that's happened to me. 00:19:54 You know, and I talked to Burt Riggin about this a while ago. For 30 years we've been in a nutrient management 00:20:01 plan for 30 years. We've taken soil samples. So I have 30 years of data that state that I've had a cover crop on it for 30 years. 00:20:11 'cause it's been incentivized by the state of Maryland. So, you know, what do they tell you all the time? Plant, plant, um, cover crops. 00:20:17 It's gonna improve your organic matter. It's gonna improve soul health. I think that it does all that. It's going to increase CECs. 00:20:25 It tells you all these things. Well, until we started breaking down residue as far as like over behind the combine. 00:20:34 And then when we burned off, um, in the springtime ahead of planning and then we broke down that residue, 00:20:40 meaning the cover crop residue, we never increased in organic matter. We never increased in CECs over 30 years. 00:20:49 But the last five of those 30 years, all of a sudden when I cut back on fertility and I start to learn how to break down residue, all 00:20:58 of a sudden all my numbers are coming up and all of a sudden my CECs are my organic matters. My, you know, my P levels are my, my, um, 00:21:09 potassium levels are high. And I'm like, so anytime you can increase organic matter, it improves absolutely everything. 00:21:18 Got it. I definitely agree with that too. 'cause I mean, the more matter that you have in your soil system, your organic matter acts 00:21:25 as a chelator naturally. So it's gonna chelate a lot of your micronutrients, it's gonna chelate a lot 00:21:30 of your macros as well, making them. So they're a lot more available for uptake in the root zone. All right, Rebecca, you gave me a couple of ideas on how 00:21:37 to reduce pe and so the guys that are listening to this and the gals are listening to this, you said redu residue management, we talked about then changing your source. 00:21:43 What's another one? And I, I threw out organic, I threw out doing everything you can for soil health and organic matter. 00:21:49 That was mine. So you know what, I'll put an asterisk there. That was a Damian contribution, 00:21:53 Which, uh, Go Ahead. That means he actually sat up and paid attention today. Um, I'd say another big one is honestly trying 00:22:02 to focus on your soil pH is gonna help you reduce your phosphorus. So I know a lot of people are obviously not near that, 00:22:09 near neutral that we, we want to be for those soils. Um, a lot ti a lot of times when you have really, really acidic phs, you know, anything that's gonna be 00:22:18 below a six starts getting into that acidic zone and you're gonna have a lot more issues with aluminum and iron in your soils. 00:22:25 So, Rebecca, hang on a second. You said that soil pH below six, which is acidic, ties up my p because you said something and then go ahead. 00:22:31 You said something about aluminum and, and something else. So go ahead from there, please. Yeah, so with PHS under six, they're very, very acidic. 00:22:38 So that means a lot of your metals in your soil are gonna be antagonizing your phosphorus. 00:22:43 So your aluminum and your irons are gonna be tying up that phosphorus. So it's unavailable. They have a very, 00:22:48 very high affinity for your phosphorus. 'cause if you think about phosphorus as charging the soil, it's either a negative two or it's a negative. 00:22:55 And when you think about aluminum iron, they're also a positive two charge. So that means they're gonna have a high affinity for 00:23:02 that phosphorus and they're gonna tie it up immediately. Now, on the other hand, when you go into a calcar soil, 00:23:07 so a soil that's really whoop, whoop, Whoop calcar soil for the person that says, I know that, I don't know what that means, but I'm embarrassed to ask. 00:23:16 Maybe that person's me. It just means you're, you're very high in calcium. So your pH is above that 7, 7, 5, 00:23:24 that's a CalCare soil high in calcium. So that calcium also has a plus two charge that's gonna pull at that phosphorus 00:23:31 and tie it up almost immediately. Okay? So if I wanna reduce my applied phosphorus, I just really need to shoot very desperately for the six 00:23:41 to seven pH. That's what I'd say. I think trying to get in that near neutral, in 00:23:46 that six five range is probably gonna be your most efficient for any fertilizers and especially for phosphorus. 00:23:52 And somebody's gonna say, well, okay, so I didn't spend it on phosphorus, I just spent it on lime. That's true. Um, 00:24:00 but there's, there's so many different ways to, I Thought you were gonna say, but lime Lyme sticks around for a longer period of time though, right? 00:24:08 It does. Um, it does, but it takes a long time also to adjust your phs. So it is a long battle, 00:24:13 and I think a lot of people maybe don't want to focus their time on doing that. They wanna focus on the here and now, 00:24:19 but over time, having that lime or adding that elemental sulfur or whatever you have to do to adjust 00:24:25 that pH is gonna be better for you in the long run because you're gonna have more nutrient availability in the future. 00:24:31 Okay. All right. Temple, she's gonna have you do residue management with products, not with tillage. 00:24:37 She's gonna have you and you can, and we saved it. We saved it 30 to $46 right there, uh, because we're capturing phosphorus already there. 00:24:45 We're gonna change up our sources. You're already doing that. A lot of the people that are listening to this probably aren't. 00:24:49 And so what I really got from that was we're gonna go from a polyphosphate to an orthophosphate. 00:24:53 And you talked about some different numbers with that, pretty much. Do I gimme the, the Cliffs notes? I'm sorry. 00:25:01 You don't know what cliff notes are either. They, they shortened version of on the, on the source. What else do I need to know? 00:25:08 Um, I would say that, um, if, if, if these guys out here and gals listening to this, if, 00:25:15 if they really do wanna start to cut back, just cut some out of the beginning and then try to find a place 00:25:21 to put some type of phosphorus closer to reproduction, whether it's corn, soybeans, or wheat, it doesn't matter which one, just, you don't have 00:25:30 to put the whole load out front. And if we wanna cut back, that's a great place to stop and, you know, I mean cut 40, 50, 60% out 00:25:39 and then find a different way to put it in, in, you know, closer towards, um, reproduction 00:25:45 because that's where it really ramps up 60 to 70% of phosphorus needs, and all three of those crops are needed in reproduction. 00:25:55 It drives energy and We're, and we're putting it germination, we're putting it out there before it germinates. 00:26:00 Exactly. And exactly the, so p the so pH, which by the way, this is the first thank you, Rebecca. 00:26:04 It's the first I've ever heard this in four and a half years of working with XT Extreme Ag and doing these kinds of interviews. 00:26:08 It's the first time I found out that acidic ties up. PI did not know that. All right, anything else, Rebecca, on, um, how to reduce P without reducing yield? 00:26:18 Those are the, those are the top three things for me that come to mind right off the bat. Do you think that most people are still over applying 00:26:24 phosphorus and this is gonna be the year finally, where they're like, oh crap, I got no choice but to cut back and change it up. 00:26:29 Is it finally the economics are gonna force the better environmental stewardship of this? I think that's a big driver of it, honestly. 00:26:37 I think with, you know, just some of the market volatility and the prices and obviously the volatility 00:26:41 of the fertilizer prices here that we've been talking about all day, I think that really will start to maybe drive a little bit more, um, 00:26:48 of some solution based thinking here with farming. I like it. Temple last word. I, I tell you what, I think that we covered it all. 00:26:57 I, I can't give you any more pointers, but other than try it, I Think you're big one. I 00:27:02 think your big one, the big takeaway there is 70% of the phosphorus need having to reproductive and you're putting it out there before you even, 00:27:09 before the seed even goes into the ground, let alone, right during, uh, vegetative stage. It's, and 00:27:14 Keep in mind, we're only getting up to, up to not not, oh, we get exactly 20%. 00:27:20 You're getting up to 20% depending on your soil. It could be less than 20%. His name's Temple Rhodes Chestnut Mariner Farms out there 00:27:28 in Centerville, Maryland. And her name is Rebecca Minch, a Minnesotan transplanted to Monticello. 00:27:33 We call it Monticello, not Monticello. 'cause it's not where Thomas Jefferson lived. And that's in Western, Western North, northwestern, Indiana. 00:27:40 Rebecca, if they wanna learn more about the company you work for called Concept Agritech, where do they go? 00:27:44 Um, you can find us@conceptagritech.com on our website. Um, and we also have Facebook, LinkedIn, and all the social media platforms. 00:27:52 We're under concept agritech for just about everything. And Agritech ends with a K, not a ch There you go. 00:27:58 Her name's Rebecca. His name's Temple. My name's Damien Mason. 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