Farming Podcast | Nitrogen Use Efficiency: Economics, Agronomics, and the Future of Farming

00:00:00 Increasing nitrogen use efficiency. It's a topic we've covered before, and we're gonna go more in depth on the economics 00:00:06 and the environmental aspect of it. In this episode of extreme Ag cutting the curve, It's extreme ag cutting the curve podcast, 00:00:13 cutting your learning curve, and improving your farming operation every week. This episode of The Cutting the Curve podcast is brought 00:00:21 to you by BASF, creating innovation to help farmers do the biggest job honor. And now let's get ready to learn 00:00:29 with your host, Damien Mason. Hey there. Welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ice, cutting the Curve. 00:00:34 We've been talking about nitrogen, and I'll tell you why, because, A, it's a big topic 00:00:38 because b, you're gonna be facing regulation in your farming operation no matter where you live. 00:00:44 It's not just a a certain type of state, it's gonna be all of agriculture because nitrogens 00:00:49 and nitrates are nitrogen over application is causing nitrates in the water supply. Kelly Garrett's here, he's in northwest Iowa. 00:00:55 Guess what's happening in central Iowa? The Raccoon River that runs through Des Moines is now being a, a hot button 00:01:02 of absolute lightning flash right now because of environmental causes saying there is a nitrate problem in this watershed and agriculture is to blame. 00:01:11 So how can you apply less nitrogen without sacrificing yield and actually make your nitrogen more efficient? 00:01:16 You can use an array of products, one of which is called Infinity from our friends at Gerson. So we've got Scott Lay on here along with Kelly Garrett 00:01:22 to talk about this very topic. Kelly, you have been, before we push the record button to Scott's description, very aggressive about reducing nitrogen. 00:01:32 And by the way, you found something that law farmers don't wanna admit. Everything Iowa State University told you about 1.1, uh, 00:01:39 pounds per, uh, per bushel of, of corn completely bunk. You can get by with half of that, but farmers are afraid to do so. 00:01:49 Yes. You know, the, I would tell you though, I think Iowa State is right. It takes 1.1 or 1.2 pounds to raise corn, 00:01:56 but it doesn't all have to be synthetic. Start to measure what comes outta your soil. We use what we call a rapid soil test, 00:02:02 and there's more than enough nitrogen in the soil to actually raise the whole crop, but the nitrogen doesn't really start coming outta the soil 00:02:09 for us and being mineralized until the, until it warms up. So you get to the middle of June 00:02:14 or July, that biological system gets to cranking and provides us with more than enough nitrogen. And so this idea that we need to spoonfeed our nitrogen 00:02:22 or split apply it is, um, a really not a great concept for us. The last thing I need in July is more nitrogen. 00:02:29 I need more micronutrients and things like that. And, and I'm trying to find, I'm trying to find the bottom of the nitrogen. 00:02:35 Uh, my grower standard practice is 80 pounds in a high yield area this year. 00:02:39 I have some 40 pound nitrogen out. Scott, I feel like we talk about this a, a fair amount. And then I, it is kind of like, alright, 00:02:48 tune into Dave Ramsey. And Dave Ramsey has a daily show about finance. You know what he generally always says, pay off your debt, 00:02:56 make more money and spend less than you earn. And you're like, I swear to God, the last time I heard him back in September, that's 00:03:01 what he said the last maybe this is a message just like spend less than you earn. That needs to be repeated on a daily basis. 00:03:11 Nitrogen is over applied and it has an economic, uh, issue to it and has an environmental issue to it. 00:03:18 And I'm telling my agricultural people, if you think regulation is not coming, think again. There's a reason companies like yours have come up 00:03:25 with products like infinity. It's real, It is real, Damien. But I think go back to something ke uh, 00:03:32 Kelly mentioned, and he's exactly right. One of, if you went to any farmer, uh, that's raising corn, soybeans, wheat, and you ask them to voluntarily reduce 00:03:41 their amount of applied synthetic nitrogen, whether it's anhydrous, UAN urea or some combination thereof by 30 40 pounds, um, 00:03:50 I guess gonna hit the brakes and say, hold on a second. For my whole career, I've been taught by the universities and through my own experience that I need X number 00:03:59 of pounds, you know, about a pound per bushel. So it's a, it's a bit of a asking a, a guy to take a leap of faith to voluntarily reduce the amount 00:04:08 of applied synthetic nitrogen and, and, and have confidence that this widget, our widget is infinity, uh, will provide enough nitrogen 00:04:17 to more than offset, uh, that reduction, uh, so we can feed the plant and increase yields. So, um, we talked about 00:04:26 before we hit the record button about the economics, I think we can go on about the agronomics, but the person right, that skeptical, 00:04:31 let's just go straight into the economics. You guys both ran some numbers because I said, is this an economic argument 00:04:35 or an environmental argument? Um, not argument, but, uh, uh, reasoning. And so let's go with the economics 00:04:42 because everybody in agriculture right now is saying, last thing I can do is get too experimental and cost myself yield. 00:04:47 Yeah. I'm only selling $3 93 cent bushels of corn, but by God, I need every one of those $3 93 cent bushels of corn, uh, because, you know, 00:04:55 it's cost me a lot of money to put this crop out. So go to the economics of it first, straight to it. You said in your notes 00:05:02 that I can probably take 30 pounds off of my applied nitrogen. That is correct. And again, let's go back to 00:05:09 what is infinity? It's applied, can be applied in a soil concentrated fashion in furrow two by two at planting, uh, through 00:05:18 that side dress or y drop type application. We have some folks, um, that, that don't run liquid starter where they're using liquid strip fresheners in the 00:05:26 spring prior planting. So those are the, the methods by which it can be applied. Start there. The economics, then economics. Um, Phil, 00:05:35 By, by the way, your, your point is it all goes out in the first half of the crop's life. 00:05:39 That's correct. And it also, the old method of putting all the nitrogen out, uh, you know, early then this, this, this meets that need 00:05:47 because the plant's life, et cetera, et cetera. So, and the other thing I think you're pointing out is this infinity product that you have goes right along 00:05:55 with what we were gonna do anyhow. We were going to be planting, we were gonna do in furrow or two by two or y drop or side drift. Yeah. 00:06:02 It, it doesn't create another trip across the field. Uh, the handling flexibility or ease of application, which I think Kelly could speak to. 00:06:10 We have trials with this year with Kevin Matthews and Chad Henderson, Matt Miles down in Arkansas, and Kelly, where, um, you know, 00:06:18 while it's commercially available, we want local evidence from the extreme Ag group to validate what we've been seeing across the us. 00:06:25 Um, uh, but again, Kelly talked about particularly in his lus soils of, of Western Iowa, there's a ample organic matter of which 00:06:35 to, there's a lot of mineral or organic nitrogen available. We've gotta find a way to convert that. 00:06:40 One of the things that Infinity does, again, it's three modes of action versus most of the other products which aren't bad, uh, 00:06:47 focus on one mode of action. So, um, we think those three modes of action, mineralizing more organic, nitrogen, affixing, 00:06:55 atmospheric nitrogen, which a lot of other products do, and then recruiting and fixing bacteria in the soil to get more into that plant, that's pretty darn important. 00:07:03 Talk about the less sill soils and the less hills. And if you're just tuning into this with the first time, maybe you're not aware, Kelly Farms 40% 00:07:11 slopes in Western Iowa. And the thing is, for a thousand years after the glaciers were retreated, 00:07:17 the wind swept up the silt and blew it over across the Missouri River to where he is. Never once has he apologized to the people in Nebraska 00:07:26 for stealing their soil, but for a thousand years, that's what happened. So there are hills of literally top soil 00:07:32 after the glaciers were treated that blew from the plain states over and landed where they farm. 00:07:37 Am I right? You're correct. It's pretty deep. And that's how it got there. Anyway, uh, the economics, Economics, You, you like to point out Kelly, that, uh, 00:07:48 farmers love to talk about big yields and they love to go to these field days and carry on about how many bushels, et cetera, et cetera. 00:07:54 Uh, we like to make money, we like to be profitable. So you've got a trial going on right here. It looks like these economics are gonna work very well. 00:08:03 Well, in our trial, we, uh, we side dressed the nitrogen on, which is unusual for us. But I wanted to do that 00:08:09 because I, we didn't get all the anhydrous put on last fall. I was worried about getting all the anhydrous on the spring. 00:08:15 And so we side dressed some nitrogen when the corn was, you know, two or three leaf and, um, we all we put on was 30 gallons of 28 0 0 5 00:08:24 and Scot's infinity trial, Gerson's infinity trial is in there. And I was telling Scott 00:08:30 before we recorded, uh, I didn't even wanna tell him about it because it looks so good now. 00:08:34 We've had a great gear with rain and things like that, but holy cow, that corn looks, it looks tremendous. And you're talking here, you're talking what, 80, 86 pounds 00:08:44 of nitrogen, 85 pounds of nitrogen on there. Um, it, it, that's it, that's across the whole field. And you know, and with our variable rate on anhydrous, 00:08:54 we put on 80 pounds in a high yield area, 160 pounds in a low yield area because of what's being mineralized out of the soil. 00:09:02 And we've had trials before where we've dial it all the way back to 60 pounds. I've had, you know, um, 60 through 240 pounds 00:09:09 of anhydrous in the fall of 23. And everything yielded within five bushels of each other. I I mean, the idea that we can reduce a little bit, i, 00:09:18 we cut from two 40 to 60, we reduced it down to 25% of the nitrogen. We didn't reduce 25%, 00:09:25 we reduced 75% yields within five bushel of each other. Um, and so I constantly am am wanting to do trials with products like infinity 00:09:34 and like that to see where I can get to the bottom. Because, you know, like you asked Damien, is it an economic plate? 00:09:40 Well, if a guy reduces 30 pounds, if a grower reduces 30 pounds and puts in infinity, he's gonna save five 00:09:47 or $6 an acre, which I agree is not substantial, but your soil health is going to improve your plant health is going to improve. 00:09:55 You know, what if you, uh, what if you, uh, what if you reduce that nitrogen and save the five or $6, but then you don't need a passive fungicide, you know? 00:10:04 And like that's a big deal this year with $4 corn and all the, the disease that's out there. Uh, you know, so is it an economic play if you, 00:10:12 you go down this path of soil health and plant health and things like that. There is a big economic play here and, and soil health 00:10:18 and a balanced plant, balanced nutrition. You know, I talk a lot about SAP samples. There's a huge economic play here. 00:10:25 Uh, Scott, I wanna get into then if you have any more wrap up on the economics, do you have any 00:10:29 more wrap up on the economics? What's the bro, when when you have to go out and talk to a producer, they're reluctant 00:10:34 and there's gonna be people, they'll never change. 'cause grandpa put out, uh, 1.1 pounds of nitrogen, they're never gonna change. 00:10:39 Then there's the middle of the road that are changeable. Absolutely. And there's the people that are early adopters. 00:10:43 So right now you're probably early adopters getting into more of the middle of the road. 00:10:47 People are like, yeah, you know what, you're right about the environmental aspect and regulation is coming. 00:10:53 I'm gonna get ahead of this. So you're probably talking to middle, middle, middle of the road, not the front end, early adopter types. 00:11:00 What do you tell 'em? Well, and again, this is the first year it's commercially available and a lot of those early adopters are, 00:11:07 are utilizing infinity, uh, what we talk about. Try not to tell 'em anything, um, but allow, allow everyone 00:11:13 to arrive at their own conclusions. To build on the math, Kelly laid out, uh, I, if a producer were to reduce their applied nitrogen 00:11:20 by 30 pounds, again, I, I don't wish higher price $775 ton anhydrous on anyone. But the fact of the matter is it's here. 00:11:28 Um, the only good news with that is it requires less of a reduction. Yeah. To offset the cost of infinity. 00:11:34 So Kelly laid out a 30 pound reduction in synthetic nitrogen is about a $5 acre savings once you, you know, 00:11:42 put the infinity in at 16 to $18. Now of the work we've done in past years with that level of reduction, a 30 pound reduction, we're averaging a four 00:11:51 to five bushel yield increase. So $5 savings, and again, obviously it's only $4 corn today, but that's a 15 to $20 an acre increase 00:12:00 in, in yield response. Those are good economics as Kelly indicated. Uh, if you couple those positive economics 00:12:07 with increasing soil microbial biomass, you in fixers, creating better biology in the soil, that's a payoff that you'll enjoy not just in one year, 00:12:16 but over time as well. Got it. And we'll get into the agronomics next. Sure. But, and I know we've got some slides we're gonna show if 00:12:23 you're, if you're listening to this, that's great. You know what, we release all of our cutting the curves as videos. 00:12:27 You can check 'em by the extreme Ag Farm or on our YouTube channel. 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Uh, the agronomics, you showed those images, you sent me those slides. 00:13:58 Uh, what, what, what am I looking at because you're, uh, you, you say there's three modes of action. 00:14:06 Um, and I wanna ask Kelly first, what's the most important thing when he looks at it? And he'll admit that, uh, he's got agronomists on staff 00:14:12 that are much more agronomically aversed than him. But what, what do you tell him? What do you think this looks like, Kelly? 00:14:18 From the agronomic standpoint, I think it looks like the very solid progressive agronomics. 00:14:24 Uh, the economic play of that should be all about the yield gain. And I would tell a grower, whatever you can save 00:14:30 by cutting back your nitrogen, I would reallocate that to a micronutrient spend. And you're going to even double up on 00:14:36 that economic play in plant health and yield gain. And so the agronomics here are that we're balancing the plant. 00:14:43 We, and I, I don't know what else needs to be said, I guess it, it, we we're balancing the plant and in, in our operation and, and working with integrated ag 00:14:53 and calibrated agronomy, we just continued down that path of nutrient density. Uh, minerally balanced the plants 00:14:59 and the amount of, the amount of nitrogen being mineralized in the soil, especially like you call it elitist I state, um, is, 00:15:06 is incredibly overwhelming, uh, more than enough nitrogen. I, uh, you know, when we, when we went to Matt Miles 00:15:14 and we had the challenge plots there, Matt and I produced 240 bushel corn, both of us, but I did it $50 less, and it's 00:15:20 because I reduced the nitrogen. Continuing to use products like this and finding how low I can go on the nitrogen is the 00:15:26 agronomic clay that I want to have. What you're seeing there in the slides is better root mass, better plant growth. 00:15:32 You know, it's, it's a long ways, it's a long way from yield. We'll have to come up with the yield at the end here, 00:15:37 of course, with the slides Scott's got, but the SAP analysis backs up what you're seeing in the picture of the plants. 00:15:43 Um, three modes of action, fix, recruit, liberate. Um, you had that in some notes. What are you talking about? Well, again, uh, soil biology is, is complex. 00:15:54 There, there are a lot of moving parts as Kelly can attest to. Um, think of them as levers. 00:15:59 And, and again, there are a number of other, there nitrogen efficiency products out there, which do a great job, 00:16:05 but they're solely focused on one of those levers, and that's largely a fixing atmospheric nitrogen. Yep. We believe that is a part of the equation, but that in 00:16:13 and of itself doesn't define nitrogen use efficiency in addition to fixating atmospheric nitrogen is, you know, for those of us in the ice states 00:16:22 or where we enjoy organic matters of 3% or greater, there are tremendous pools of organic nitrogen in the soil that's nitrogen 00:16:31 that no one has to write a check for because it's there. The challenge becomes how do you access those pools 00:16:35 of nitrogen, get them in a plant available inorganic form. Infinity does that. The last part, uh, which, 00:16:41 and again, if you talk to a Kevin Matthews or Chad Henderson or Matt Miles in those lower organic matter environments, 00:16:48 recruiting those native and fixing microbes that are in the soil, pulling those into the plant 00:16:53 to supply more natural nitrogen, that's a big lever to pull that we believe will contribute to yield. 00:16:59 So again, if, if we have three modes of action, think of a herbicide. If we're trying to, uh, attack 00:17:04 or control tall water, hemp, more modes of action Yep. Are more consistent over a wider range of circumstances. The same holds true with nitrogen. 00:17:12 Three modes of action will win on more, uh, more growing environments across more years. Um, regardless of the crop. 00:17:20 Uh, you then, speaking of the utilization of a product like yours, uh, there's no compatibility issues. 00:17:25 I put this in the front half of my season, as you said, it's either at in furrow, two by two wide drop or side dressing. 00:17:33 No, no issues. There's no restrictions. No, I can use it with, right. That's correct. And, and it's important. 00:17:38 We, we recognize, we work with farmers all over the United States and, um, set aside the aggro ag, ag agronomy for a moment, 00:17:46 and they say without a doubt or without exception. Rather, give me something that I don't have to make an extra trip for, 00:17:53 and also give me something that I can employ or utilize with such crazy things like liquid fungicides, liquid fertilizers, 00:17:59 and crop protection products by utilizing, uh, metabolites. Yep. Uh, and infinity, it allows us to do 00:18:05 that without special storage or handling restrictions. How much of this stuff am I using? Roughly how much in terms of a rate? 00:18:12 One, one quart. One quart per acre. Okay. So we're not talking about a big, it's not a lot of heavy lifting. 00:18:17 That's correct. Alright. Other stuff you've got going on, we're talking about Kelly's thing. Kelly, do you see it your, 00:18:21 because you've got this going on cotton with, uh, with Matt and you've got it going on. 00:18:28 What are the crops this year? It's with corn, I believe it's, is it, or is it with beans with Kevin? 00:18:33 I can't, I can't. I've got it on corn and I know, yeah, corn. Corn at Kelly's Cotton in Arkansas. What else? 00:18:39 Yeah, and we have, uh, sidedress application with Johnny in Tennessee. Johnny Verell. Yep. 00:18:43 Uh, Chad Henderson, also a side dress application of corn in Alabama. Kevin, I believe has corn. I know he has corn in furrow. 00:18:50 He may have, uh, in furrow on soybeans as well. Do I, you need to use this once or am I using it more than once? 00:18:55 Do I use this twice? Is there a reason? Do would I get more benefit if I put this at time planting and then also when I sidedress? 00:19:00 It's a great question, Damian. And, um, the answer is we're, we're, we're, we have a number of trials this year where we're trying 00:19:08 to narrow down that answer. So in other words, if one, if one time allows me to cut 20 to 30 pounds, can I cut 50 to 60 pounds by using this twice? 00:19:16 And then I get that $5 savings twice, which is $10, which in an environment like this, $10 might be half of what I make per acre. 00:19:24 Um, again, we're, we're, we're trying to narrow that down. We, we know, we're very confident in terms 00:19:29 of the results we get with the app planting in 4 0 2 by two timing. Uh, we have a growing amount of data with 00:19:34 that liquid side dress, UAN uh, UANY drop type application. Uh, we're figuring out now is does one plus one equals 00:19:43 something greater than two? Understood. Kelly, who needs this? Everybody. Are there people that this, you know, 00:19:48 because I think it's always, it's incumbent upon us to, we're honest here at extreme Ag, we're doing the trials, you're trying the stuff out. 00:19:54 You've openly admitted what stuff you've done that was a flop, and what stuff was an absolute a plus? Is there somebody, the easy answer 00:20:02 of course is I'm in a place with low CE soils and I don't have the, the, that that's always the easy answer. 00:20:10 Um, well, you gotta put out more nitrogen because I don't have the type of ground Kelly has. We've heard that before. Is there any truth to that? 00:20:17 Who, who needs this? Does everybody need it? Right. Well, that, that's back to Scott's three lever comment. 00:20:23 You know what I mean? Like where, where I'm at with the back, the organic matter I have and things like that relative to where Matt 00:20:28 and Chad are, they're pulling a different lever. There's three levers here, and they're pulling a different lever. 00:20:33 And I, what I would say is everybody that's listening or watching, just try. Just try. And I think you're gonna be amazed the, the way 00:20:42 that my farming operation has changed, you know, the challenge spots we've had at Matt's, the different things Chad and Johnny are doing, 00:20:49 reduce your nitrogen. See how low you can get it and reallocate that spend into micronutrients and look at your ROI go up, we, we have not, 00:20:59 we've not failed in that yet. What what we have not figured out is how low can we go and when reduce the nitrogen, 00:21:06 and like I, I believe that I can reduce the nitrogen, uh, and use a product like infinity and I can reduce more 00:21:14 because of the pools of organic nitrogen that are there and things like that. Again, I'm gonna pull a different lever than Matt and Chad, 00:21:19 but everybody just try, just give it a shot and reduce the nitrogen. Try reallocate the savings to there. 00:21:26 And your ROI the economic play here is gonna be the yield benefit and the plant health benefit. 00:21:31 I'm not asking you to save a ni to save the nitrogen spend dollars. I'm asking you to reallocate that into a micro pack. 00:21:37 Scott, do you see everybody? Okay. You, you get around, you, you cover a lot of ground, um, products like this Infinity, um, I think the time is here, 00:21:49 the technology is there. Do you agree that we're gonna face a regulatory environment very soon, that it becomes 00:21:58 a requirement that you use something like this? Uh, gee whiz. Uh, do I see that? I think we're getting closer to that as time evolves, I hope 00:22:07 that it does not come about or manifest itself in the way of a mandate, uh, uh, of how many pounds of end can be applied. 00:22:14 But, you know, you referenced the, uh, raccoon River area. Go to the Del Marva, the Chesapeake, you 00:22:20 Know, where, where Temple Farms, Water watershed, uh, lake Erie in northern Ohio. There's some, uh, local instances where that's the case. 00:22:27 I think the other part beyond, you know, whether that will happen, I'm not here to speculate. Uh, it, it would appear 00:22:32 we're, we're trending that direction. I'll leave it at that. But what the, the other part that Kelly's getting more involved in by the day is 00:22:39 not mandating reductions in synthetic nitrogen applied, but, but as the, as as the market 00:22:45 or opportunity evolves, uh, of carbon credits where farmers can voluntarily reduce amounts of synthetic fertilizers, not just nitrogen 00:22:53 and be compensated for doing so. I think that that's the other dimension that I have a higher level of confidence 00:23:00 that will come evolve in the next one to three years, frankly, than, than governmental mandates, whether the state or federal level that would, uh, 00:23:06 legislate amounts of nitrogen applied. And as that evolves, products like Infinity and other similar technologies, 00:23:12 they become mainstream in a hurry. Um, in, in trying to find ways to supplement that nitrogen naturally, uh, 00:23:20 that's no longer being applied in a synthetic form. Using a product like infinity and reducing your nitrogen will definitely make your 00:23:27 nutrient use efficiency go up in a carbon credit market. If there, there's gonna be growers 00:23:30 that don't want to be involved in that. But, uh, all of a sudden now with the big beautiful bill, 45 Z has a lot of legs 00:23:37 and reducing this nitrogen will reduce your CI score. There's an economic play there that we haven't even talked about. 00:23:42 Yeah. Meaning you're, you're grabbing money from beyond just the savings on nitrogen or beyond just the yield bump. Now it's, 00:23:49 Yes. And, you know, and if you wanna put some economics behind that, every, 00:23:53 every point you lower your CI score is worth about five and a half cents per bushel. Five and a half cents times 200 bushel corns $11 an acre. 00:24:01 Right? So, so there's another 11 bucks, and we can talk about the 45 C in another episode, and we've already kind of covered that. 00:24:06 We'll do it more. The point is, there's money to be made here, and this is where the future's going. So hop on the train now, I guess is the, uh, 00:24:13 the short answer and start experimenting with products like infinity. You Know, I, I hope that regulation doesn't come, 00:24:18 but I don't know why a grower wouldn't want to try this just because of the economic benefits on their own farm anyway. 00:24:23 Yeah. And it, that ties into also your thing about if you're reducing applied synthetics and the soil still, the soil improves. 00:24:32 I mean, the soil then becomes, and, and That doesn't happen overnight. That doesn't happen overnight. 00:24:36 But the way that our soil looks now, um, versus what it did two or three years ago, you know, we picked up 1800 acres this spring and, 00:24:44 and en large, you know, we had an opportunity enlarge the farm. Uh, we had a customer come down that wants to work 00:24:48 with integrated ag and calibrated agronomy, and he looked at the soil that we've been farming for 20 years, and he looked at the soil and the new farm, 00:24:55 and he says he can see the difference that that really made, that really made my day. 00:24:59 You know, he is, he is become a good friend of mine. His name's Jerry, large farmer in northwest Iowa, and he's like, Kelly, I can see the difference in the soil. 00:25:07 What on the ground you've been farming and the grounding kicked out. I that says it all right there. 00:25:11 Yeah. This is part of the evolution. Scott, last word, Last word. I think I'd echo what Kelly said. Is this for everyone? 00:25:18 Perhaps not, but I think it, it is a technology that has merit, uh, that if incorporated in a, in a guy's operation will, 00:25:25 will yield a consistent response in terms of return on investment. And it, it's worthy of consideration, 00:25:31 particularly given today's farm gate economics, which, which aren't terribly favorable, but that's how we evolve, uh, and, 00:25:38 and create better nitrogen use efficiency in the interest of, uh, increasing ROI 00:25:43 Products called Infinity. The company's called grason. If you wanna learn more about this, where do they go? Loveland products.com. 00:25:49 Uh, obviously this product is available through nutrient ag solutions, retail centers across the United States. 00:25:55 And, uh, the, the local nutrient sales rep would be happy, uh, to, to have a conversation about infinity. 00:26:01 His name's Scott Lay. He is joined by Kelly Garrett, extreme Ag Founder and me, Damien Mason. If you liked what you heard, 00:26:07 share somebody can benefit from it. This absolutely is the future. We're not using scare tactics here. 00:26:10 There, there is going to be a compelling reason, economic, environmental, possibly regulatory, that you are going 00:26:15 to be reducing your nitrogen. But you know what? You don't have to suffer because we have technology to stave off yield loss. 00:26:22 Anyway, share this with somebody that can benefit from it. Check out all of our great stuff, including our show, 00:26:26 the Grain Rate Extreme Ag Farm. Also, please do subscribe to our YouTube channel. Don't cost nothing. 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