Farming Podcast | Regional Calendars & Crop Planning | XtremeAg

00:00:00 Farming on a different calendar. What happens when you're completely removed from the traditional farm belt's timing? 00:00:06 So we're talking about Texas Todd Kimbrel in this episode of Extreme Ag Cutting the Curve. 00:00:11 Welcome to Extreme ags Cutting the Curve podcast, where real farmers share real insights and real results to help you improve your farming operation. 00:00:21 And now here's your host, Damien Mason. Hey there. Welcome to another fantastic episode of Extreme Ask. 00:00:27 Cutting the Curve. Uh, you know him, he's been on a couple of times before. He's doing some cool stuff, specialty sesame crop. 00:00:33 Uh, he's done some trials for our friends over at Nature's. His name is Todd Kimbrel. 00:00:38 He's from Hillsborough or Atca, Texas, whichever one. He can't seem to make up his mind. He says he's sitting in Itasca right 00:00:43 now, but the farms in Hillsborough. But the point is it's about 70 miles south of Dallas. And, um, I said, you know, what we ought 00:00:48 to talk about is I said, so much of Ag media and ags focus, you know, you get into Twitter and it's plant 2025 or harvest 2025, 00:00:58 and they're on a completely different calendar than if you are 70 miles south of Dallas. Now, other people work on different calendars, say in Yuma, 00:01:07 Arizona, where 80% of your lettuce comes from during the winter months. Clearly they're on a different calendar. 00:01:13 That's specialty crop. Todd's not really into specialty crop, aside from this little experiment with Sesame. 00:01:18 He's a traditional broad acre row crop kind of producer. But he's doing so well. 00:01:24 He starts harvesting in February, and you'd say, oh, well that's great. He is done by August. Not 00:01:28 necessarily, he's still harvesting. And we're recording this right now, and December of 2025. So I outlined that pretty much the way it is. 00:01:37 Like you, you, you start earlier, you finish later, and you're completely not congruent with mainstream agriculture 00:01:43 that's always talking about their seasons. Yeah. So we, we started playing corn. I mean, for this area, Valentine's Day is about as early 00:01:54 as we've started before, so mid-February, but typically last week of February. First week of March is perfect corn planting window for us. 00:02:04 Uh, so we we're planting in, uh, we got wheat harvest. We usually cutting wheat in the middle to end of May, and then corn usually is coming off. 00:02:17 I I tell you lately with the warmer, warmer temperatures, it's uh, uh, like mid-July we're, 00:02:23 we're kind of starting to get into it. So, uh, yeah, totally, totally different from the mid traditional Midwest corn 00:02:32 soybean timing. Uh, it's hard to describe it, but we are, or I guess it's hard to relate to the guys in the Midwest, but we're planning in the winter 00:02:45 and harvesting in the summer, and I don't think, uh, I don't think things were meant to be that way. It just accidentally works. 00:02:55 Well, there's a few things there. First off, the seasons have gotten a little different. Uh, you know, if you talk to old timers, they'll tell you 00:03:01 that, uh, you know, we're cold and wet later and than we, than we used to be, but, you know, these weather patterns change and all that. 00:03:08 I don't, there's too much to that in my part of the world, northeast Indiana where you've been to my farm, um, we used 00:03:15 to think, okay, you get out there and you start doing stuff in May and there's still this idea that a bunch 00:03:19 of farming happens in April. But I can tell you that in general, that's not really as much as everybody wants 00:03:26 to believe they're farming in April, it's usually wet. It's usually cold. I've seen more acres of corn planted on Memorial Weekend when I'm driving 00:03:32 to the Indianapolis 500 than I have on say, uh, April 15th, uh, tax day. So it, it's, it's generally about what you say. 00:03:42 It's, it's usually, um, sometime in May thing, and you've already got two and a half months in by the time we're really rolling up 00:03:48 in our part of the world. But the thing is, you don't finish earlier. It doesn't mean that you're done in August. 00:03:55 You might be harvesting in August, but if you are using your crops, like use, using your acres to get double crops, you're still doing 00:04:01 stuff into November, December. Yeah, I, the sesame's kind of drug on a little longer. We could have desiccated it 00:04:09 and probably harvested six weeks ago, but since there's a chance that it could go f food grade, they didn't want us to use any chemical. 00:04:18 They wanted us to use a frost or a freeze. It actually took a hard freeze finally, just under a week ago. 00:04:25 And this is almost mid-December, but that's pretty average for us. So we've been sitting around waiting, kinda wanting 00:04:31 to get it done, but yeah. Yeah, we still have a crop in the field. Cotton. Well, what's the, what's the risk? 00:04:36 You're not gonna get a foot of snow where you are? No. Um, it's, if anything, it might turn into a wetter December maybe, so you're not under any imminent threat 00:04:47 of a hurricane or a snowstorm that's gonna mess up the crop. So, and it's, it's 00:04:52 No, but this time of year it, it is wet or it can get wet. Yeah. It's a little bit wet now. And that is a threat. 00:04:58 Uh, 'cause in the winter when it gets wet, it's hard for it to dry, shorter days, cooler temps. 00:05:03 It's, uh, we tend to get in a wet pattern, you know, it takes a lot longer to dry. So that is a threat. 00:05:09 But I, I'm optimistic we're gonna get in there. Everybody makes a adjustment in one way or another, whether you're farming in Minnesota 00:05:17 or the Dakotas or Southeast, uh, over where Chad is in Alabama or where you are. So it is as easy as just bumping the calendar head. 00:05:26 Probably not quite. Soil temperature does get warm sooner. You've got that there is the moisture thing. 00:05:32 So is it just a matter of everything's a month or two early, or is there more to it than that? 00:05:38 Yeah, no, we're just warmer. I mean, it just gets warmer quicker. We need to be TAed out well 00:05:43 before, uh, Memorial Day, honestly. And we, and that's, that's pretty easy nowadays. We always are. So here we're trying 00:05:54 to plant to beat the heat. So when July comes around, it's always hot. So we need to be pollinated and mostly grain filled by July. 00:06:03 Mm-hmm. And I mean, it's a race, you know, it gets, it can usually gets wet in February. And so we're usually bumping like we're, 00:06:14 we're trying to plan as close to the end that last week of February as possible. I mean, it's a huge thing for us. 00:06:21 It's still cold, but we're trying to get it in and get it up and going to beat the summer heat. 00:06:26 Yeah. So, uh, commodity Classic is gonna be at the end of February, and it's not too far from Todd. It's gonna be in San Antonio. 00:06:32 And he said, um, uh, I'll be there, but I might also be planting. And I said, you're replanting on February 26th. 00:06:38 Well, you very well might be planting on February 26th. Um, it should Be, What's the hardest ad? 00:06:43 Well, first off, let's talk about, you keep saying we gotta be tased. Has it ever dawned on you that you should leave corn 00:06:47 production to the ice dates where I live and then you should go back to just growing wheat? I mean, I would, but I got, 00:06:54 I have buyers beating their door down wanting our corn, so I don't think that's good logic. Was there corn when you were a kid? 00:07:01 Was there corn around there? There wasn't. Was there, There was, you know, there was a spell when I was a kid when I was pretty young. 00:07:07 There was not. But sometime in there, I guess maybe in the nineties sometime it started easing back in. 00:07:15 And then by the late nineties, early two thousands, there's a bunch of corn, uhhuh Feeds, dairies, beef yards, Dairies. 00:07:24 So we got dairies to the west and north and chickens to the east. Got it. It is not, there's no, 00:07:30 there's no cattle feed yards that where you are. Uh, yeah, actually there is a few to the northwest. Uh, not, not a ton, but there, 00:07:40 and from what I hear, there's more and more popping up out kind of northwest of us. So, uh, they don't 00:07:46 Need your corn. What's that? They don't Need your corn? Yeah, actually they do. Okay. They Do. So you've got good 00:07:51 demand. You don't necessarily have the best climate for growing corn, but you've got a bunch of places to use it. 00:07:56 Yeah, I would say we're extremely lucky from a demand standpoint. But I mean, go to West Texas 00:08:03 or actually the Panhandle of Texas, I mean, if you wanna see the man, you go there, it demand is always on fire. 00:08:11 There's tons of cattle. Uh, they're always at a deficit on corn, reeling in corn to keep going and mm-hmm. 00:08:18 We're kinda, I mean, that's a long ways from where I'm at, but we're kind of on the edge of that and, 00:08:23 and some of our bids are derived from that, you know, minus freight. So I don't know. We're in a pretty good spot. Demand 00:08:30 Bids are derived from West Texas. Sometimes they are, yes. Because they, because they're, 00:08:35 because they're pulling demand over there and, and you in your supply. So the West Texas ti 00:08:40 or panhandle timing rather, is very similar to the Midwest. Um, so we're harvesting early 00:08:48 and if they're in a, you know, kind of in a dead spot, you know, before harvest and everybody's kind of running outta harvest, some 00:08:56 of ours will actually go up there. Not a ton, but some of it will travel all the way to the panhandle. 00:09:01 I just, I just drove through the panhandle a week ago, my drive from the farm out here in Arizona, and I always drive by. 00:09:08 I was it cactus feeders there outside of, uh, Amarillo. They've been a couple of cows. They got a couple of cows on feed out there, 00:09:15 Just a few, A hundred thousand or so, Probably. I think it's 60 or 70,000 last time I was there. Yeah. Um, hardest adaptation to seasons. 00:09:29 I'm not talking about anything else. Seasons and climates, the hardest adaptation and the thing that's not that, that's, that's actually easy. 00:09:36 There's always somebody farming somewhere else that's, man, I filed farm down there. I bet you it'd be really a cakewalk. 00:09:40 What's the hardest adaptation? What's the thing that's actually easy and not that big of a deal about the money? 00:09:45 Sorry, about the season or the weather? Uh, honestly, hardest is timing. Um, timing is the most crucial thing where we are. 00:09:55 We need to have our corn, I'm convinced of this, that we need to have our corn crop planted in five days. Uh, that's really hard. 00:10:03 We have to be very well equipped to get that done. To get your corn crop planted five days. You think it's because of consistency or 00:10:08 because you've got a certain, it's, you've got a why, why five days, why not 15? What, uh, The timing window for if it's not pollination issues? 00:10:19 You know, if we don't have the issues there, which a lot of times we really don't, it's grain fill. 00:10:24 Okay. Beating the heat during grain fill. And the longer that grain fill takes, the more yield we have and it's, it literally comes down to one thing. It's heat. 00:10:33 Got it. So the point you're making is it's, you want to get planted as quickly once the conditions are right, soil temperature or moisture. 00:10:44 It's go and it's go at a sprint because once the conditions are right, then you're up against the clock to get it done 00:10:51 before it becomes prohibitively hot and you take a yield, bang, Probably the minority. But 00:10:56 we, we'll plant when temps are the ground temps are too cold. You do or do not? We do 00:11:03 because I think the, the trade off in the end is typically better. Now there is a point where it gets too early. Don't, don't, 00:11:10 Yeah. Right. Don't take that the wrong way. Right, right. But the trade off usually is 00:11:16 it benefits on the early side from what I see. So The adaptation you make is on timing and you generally take the risk of going in 00:11:27 prematurely because you think that's got less risk to it than going in too late and then you take a pretty good yield bang 00:11:35 by getting into the heat in July. Yep. Yep. What's The, what's the adjustment that's not that big of a deal? What's the thing that, like someone, uh, in, uh, 00:11:45 South Dakota might think is a big deal and you're like, Nope, it's not a big deal. Ooh, I don't know. Like we do get a lot of rain typically. 00:11:56 That's what I was gonna say is a lot of people would think, I just told you to drive through the panhandle, uh, it's kind of dry, a lot 00:12:02 of irrigated, uh, weed or whatever, that you don't have much irrigation. Uh, we have zero there, there's no irrigation 00:12:09 around here to speak of. Um, we're a different world than the panhandle. And I do mean quite literally. 00:12:16 It, it we're, I would say we're more similar to the Midwest as far as, uh, 00:12:23 practices than we are the panhandle. Yeah. And there's no doubt about that timing. Totally different. 00:12:29 Yeah. Their seasons are closer to, uh, planes and Midwest, but their practices are different. 00:12:35 Your timing is completely different, but your practices are more similar. And by the way, you still till a lot. 00:12:40 We talked about that and I Yep. I know we covered that in one of our grand episodes. Um, you, you've, you would, you've experimented 00:12:48 with decreased tillage and it's not working for you. No, our, we have super heavy soil here and it, it's really dark soil 00:12:57 and it's very unforgiving when it's wet. And we're, I mean, 95% of the years we are extremely wet during planning. 00:13:07 So, uh, the little bit I've done with it, it's pretty much, you're pretty much miss a crop trying to do no-till. 00:13:15 Mm-hmm. So Being early, does it have any, tell me the benefits to being early and then the not benefits of being early. 00:13:26 I can think of it like you can catch some, you can catch some pricier stuff because if you're early, other stuff is other, 00:13:34 the stuff coming out of Iowa is not available yet. So I can see that being a benefit. I can see some of the negatives. What are your benefits? 00:13:40 What's your pluses and minuses about being? Yeah, By two to three months, There's definitely a, a benefit on, uh, 00:13:48 on marketing, on futures prices. 'cause you know, our new crop, sometimes we can sneak it in on the July futures, which is, 00:13:57 you know, a a not always, but sometimes it's pretty good. Uh, yeah. So that's definitely a bonus, 00:14:03 um, supply. So like during COVID when things were tight, I mean, where were some of the first ones going? 00:14:11 So in a lucky way, we, we kind of had more access to products before they ran out. Some Poor bastard is farming in Minnesota, 00:14:18 didn't get their crop inputs because some guy in Texas took it all from That's probably right. 00:14:26 Um, yeah, from that standpoint, by the way, like I said, you're really arguably off by three months. 00:14:32 There's plenty of, there's plenty of crops that get planted around me that are the end of May. 00:14:36 Like I said, I memorial day weekend. Uh, and you're doing, you're out there in February. What do, what's your rotation for the person 00:14:43 that didn't tune in last time? You do corn, you do wheat, you do some sesame Corn, wheat, cotton. 00:14:49 And now first time we've, we've done double crop sesame, so we planted it into our wheats. Double 00:14:54 You're missing soybeans. Uh, tell the, uh, people that listen to this, why you don't do soybeans? 00:15:00 Uh, it's too hot. I've done it. I've done it several times and it just seems, it's just, 00:15:04 our heat's just too brutal when the air trying to, uh, fill the beans. So our beans size ends up getting shriveled up 00:15:13 and it really kills the yield. They're extremely hard to raise here. So the person that's in my neighborhood in Indiana, 00:15:21 or maybe over where Kelly is in Iowa, you know, somebody that was over in Nebraska or whatever, 00:15:26 there's considerations you have to make that they don't, is it really just about the heat or is there another thing? 00:15:32 Because we talked about your water, you're not irrigated and it, it doesn't hurt you. 00:15:38 But don't you sometimes then run out, like you get all your moisture and then all of a sudden it's where to go? 00:15:44 Yeah, yeah. We definitely, we definitely have those years where it turns dry. 00:15:47 And usually about that mid middle end of May is usually the telltale. Like, if things are going pretty good by the end of May, 00:15:57 we're usually gonna be pretty well off. If it's starting to get hot and dry by the middle of may better look out. 00:16:03 'cause it'll, I mean, it'll shut off. We'll, I mean, on those tough years where it quits raining, we will, we will hit a hundred degrees in May 00:16:15 and that's what we're, we're pollinating and then we're, we're, you know, we're starting to grain fill, you know, like it's a crucial time 00:16:23 to not be extremely hot and dry. Everything you've talked about really has been about corn. You're not talking about cotton. 00:16:28 Cotton doesn't pollinate in green fill. You're not talking about, uh, what'd you say? Cotton? You don't do rice. Cotton, 00:16:34 Wheat. Wheat and sesame. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, The wheat, wheat doesn't. You have to do any adjustment on wheat. 00:16:43 Uh, you know, we, well, so we plant that. I'm actually gonna still plant some here in December, I think later is better with, with it's getting warm. 00:16:51 Uh, we'll harvest at the end of May. The only real watch out we have on wheat is a late, late freeze. 00:16:57 Like if we get a late march, early April freeze, it'll really put the hammer on it. But I haven't had one of those in quite a while. 00:17:07 Cotton, you know, we're planting cotton in just say April. Sometimes it's early, sometimes it's late April. 00:17:14 Sometimes to me, the my cotton, uh, timing is similar to corn timing in, in the Midwest. Okay. And it does. And your yield, does it matter? 00:17:24 Is it as critical? Do you have to get it out in a certain time? Uh, or to beat the You can't, it's not worth not. 00:17:30 Yes, yes and no. But it all depended on the year. Not near as critical. Uh, it's much more suited to our climate than like, I guess corn would be, but, uh, 00:17:40 and it, it's much more drought tolerant and, and heat tolerant than corn. So it can kinda sit through the summer and, 00:17:46 and take a beating and get a late rain or two, and then it can be really good. You see your consideration on wheat is, uh, frost. 00:17:53 This is not winter wheat. This is spring wheat? No, it's winter wheat. Okay. You put out winter wheat. So how's frost hurt you? 00:17:59 Because it's, it's already done after, After it's already booting. So we're, we're booting and heading. 00:18:04 Sometimes we'll have heads in March. So in those crucial times, you know, that's, that's when we had trouble with wheat. 00:18:13 But like, like I said, we were on a streak from like oh nine to 12 00:18:19 or somewhere in there where we were really freezing wheat and we haven't had much since then. 00:18:24 Really Not bad. Right. Uh, I predicted that someday interest rates, which are higher than they were, uh, equipment costs, 00:18:32 which are definitely higher. Uh, and the other input factors are gonna make it so that somebody like you teams up with somebody in, um, Minnesota 00:18:43 and you say, you know what? We're just gonna farm between two places that have disparate seasons. 00:18:48 We're gonna be farming in February and March down there, and we're gonna load up stuff in April and go up there 00:18:52 and we're gonna do our late April may farming up there, then we're gonna come back. Is that even feasible? 00:18:59 I don't know. I I've had several people reach out about sharing equipment, you know, not so much the farm, but equipment. 00:19:07 Yeah. And it, I mean, it definitely works on cotton harvesters that that model actually does work. 00:19:13 'cause they're so expensive. And as long as your season's offset enough, it works good. But I just never have done a whole lot of it. 00:19:21 My neighbor, they, I had two neighbors that shared planters with people in Illinois and they got all good for years, 00:19:27 but I don't know why they quit doing it. So that's the only experience I would have with it. Yeah. Well, maybe they stop. 00:19:33 This is the thing, uh, farmers are kind of like, uh, children with their toys. You don't like other people playing with your toys. 00:19:38 Maybe that's, maybe it just roll boils down to that. Well, I mean, that's true. You never know how somebody else is gonna take care of your stuff, so. 00:19:46 Mm-hmm. Uh, all right. It's definitely on how picky you are, I guess. All right, well, what if, what if 2000 acres in Illinois 00:19:54 came available and they said, you know what? We like you, we want you to farm it. Would you do it? Would you just be the guy that then you have a, 00:20:01 a hired man up there and then you shuttle equipment back and forth? I mean, it'd all be all about the economics. I don't know. 00:20:08 I mean, I obviously would have to entertain it, but it all come down to economics. Yeah. What your gut tell you. It might get a 00:20:16 little strung out, but I don't know. I, I know I, I personally know farmers that operate in two different, hell, 00:20:21 I know a guy in Illinois that operates between Brazil and, and Illinois. So 00:20:26 I honestly, from a diversification standpoint, I, I kind of like the sounds of it. Um, yeah. But I, I, as far as managing, 00:20:35 I don't know. I don't know how that would work. Okay. Do you get a, this is a, I remember we, uh, had a company that was working with us at Extreme Ag a 00:20:42 couple of years ago, and one of the southern guys knew before Kelly ever even used this product that he had used it 00:20:52 and it was not gonna meaning used it, it was not gonna work for him. Um, meaning, uh, I don't know, put, put it in furrow 00:21:00 and it caused a problem and it needed to be two by two or put it out of the whatever, or timing. Do you think these ag input companies use you 00:21:07 as a Guinea pig and say, you know what? By the time we get to Iowa and Illinois, we're gonna know, we're gonna know what worse. 00:21:12 'cause, uh, down there in Texas, Kimber was putting this stuff out there in March and Jesus, did we learn something? 00:21:18 Well, let me tell you something about that. Yes. Uh, I haven't witnessed it as much on inputs. I'm a little more careful with that stuff. 00:21:26 But equipment, most definitely 1000000% that happens. We are the software testers for the rest of the country. Uhhuh, uh, software, you name it, all of it, uh, 00:21:39 we usually shine the light on the problem. Mm-hmm. So, so not so much on inputs, but there's probably all kinds of folks that want 00:21:48 to give you something, Hey, this is a new stuff. We want you to try it out and you'll, you'll use it in March and then we can tell, uh, Illinois when to use it in May. 00:21:56 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. I mean, yeah, I mean, I, I'm pretty careful with, uh, crop input type stuff now, equipment on the other hand, 00:22:06 we'll, we'll try all kinds of stuff. Uh, software you think, like you said, by the time, by the time the guy in Illinois is, uh, using it, 00:22:15 you've already worked out the, the first three kinks and bugs. Yeah, I don't think anything, 00:22:21 I'm telling you, that's what happened. There's a particular company that uses, has used us as a Guinea pig for multiple years 00:22:28 and actually kinda got to be close with the software team and like, Hey, look, y'all have a problem here. 00:22:36 This is what it's doing. And next thing you know, a month later it's solved, but we're long done. So 00:22:44 What about on bugs? And I'm not talking about the ones with your software. I'm talking about disease. Yeah. 00:22:50 You know, I, I, I'm not the agronomy type, but I have my people up in my part, the world telling me that, you know, we've, we're seeing southern rust. 00:22:57 Whenever you see southern rust, this is a real problem, yada yada. Is there, is there a chance that you've got, uh, 00:23:04 almost a level of expertise that um, like, Hey man, we've never seen this before. I bet you Kimball has seen it 00:23:10 and all of a sudden you're called upon as the guy that's dealt with something that's new coming out of the south. 00:23:16 There, there is some of that actually to a degree. Um, I'm on a research committee. We, we actually fund some studies 00:23:23 that monitor like this new corn leaf hopper. Yep. And it, it seems to be popping up everywhere. And now we have a little app where they put it on a map 00:23:32 and it kinda shows trends. Ah, I mean, I think that stuff's gonna be vital. I mean, it seems like there's always a new bug here lately. 00:23:41 Every two or three years there's something, some new PEs that has to be managed. So Yeah. And, and then you're always like, is this real 00:23:48 or is this a, is this real or is this a, a chance for the, uh, the chemical companies to, to sell me more stuff? 00:23:55 It must be real. Like I said, I've got people that are telling me that it, maybe our ability to detect it is, I mean, hell, 00:24:00 maybe it was out there when I was a little kid playing in the yard and looking out the field. 00:24:04 Maybe it was out there 50 years ago too, you know, uh, frogeye and all these kinds of things. I'm like, I don't remember hearing 00:24:10 about that when I was a kid. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. I like this leaf hopper. And it's only if it's got the, the virus, 00:24:18 if it injects the virus in the corn, that it actually hurts the corn so you can have 'em and not have really hardly any crop damage. 00:24:26 Any significant damage anyway. And a lot of the studies and tests and, and info is actually coming out of Argentina 00:24:33 where they've had a really bad problem with it for several years. Now, 00:24:39 Does the central Texas farming climate give you more or less flexibility? Um, you, you, you can't grow soybeans. 00:24:49 Um, uh, and I can, but I sure as hell can't grow cotton or rice. Uh, probably sesame being 00:24:58 where it's warmer longer. You have the ability to put in a bigger variety or diversification of crops. 00:25:07 Definitely. You're still held, you're still, you're still gonna deal with the same challenges on heat and temp and, and moisture possibly. 00:25:16 Yeah. So definitely, uh, sorghum used to be king around here before, you know, before corn came back there was tons 00:25:26 and tons of sorghum, which they call it, a lot of 'em call it maize here. I don't know. That's just, I grew up knowing it as maize, 00:25:33 but it's, it's grain sorghum, green Sorghum or Milo Or Milo. There used to be tons of, like, that was the main crop 00:25:40 of this county, Milo and Cotton. So, and then myself, we've also, we went on a stretch of planting sunflowers. 00:25:48 We, there was quite a few thousand acres of sunflowers planted in this area. Yep. That go for that, that go for oil 00:25:55 or that go from bird seed. Where where did, where'd your, Oh, well actually all of it. 00:26:00 So we had oil seed, sunflowers, and then that's the same as bird seed. And then there was confectionary, which are 00:26:07 for human conception, you know, like spitting seeds. So, yep. They were all raised right here and they, they actually worked really good. 00:26:13 The, the market just kinda softened up and everybody quit planning them. Mm-hmm. Interesting. Yeah. So you see that, does that come back? 00:26:21 If you wanted to grow sunflowers right now, would you have somewhere to take them? That'd be a great question. 00:26:27 I, and it needs to be found out, but, uh, there was a couple guys still doing them a couple years ago, but I've noticed they haven't now. 00:26:35 So I, I'm not certain about that. It, and it's a great rotation for us too. Right. Yeah. 00:26:42 So you didn't answer, are you, are you advantaged or disadvantaged with that? Because Honestly I think we're at an advantage. 00:26:51 Yeah, I, I can, I can rattle off a bunch of crops that we're not raising right now. We can't raise rice 'cause we don't have water, 00:26:57 but I mean, we'd be in the right climate for rice if we had water. But, um, yeah, there, there's a ton of, 00:27:05 there's a lot of talk of canola. I've been hearing that here recently. I know a few that have tried canola 00:27:10 and it actually worked pretty good. Yeah. Which I always thought needed to be cold. That's why it was in Canada. It turns out it doesn't have 00:27:16 to be cold because, uh, you can go, the only question there, same thing is where does it go? 00:27:20 Where do you, where do you take the Problem? And that, that is a problem there. 00:27:24 From what I understand, there is a demand for canola mill for the dairies. Like they're already sourcing that from, I don't know, 00:27:32 the Dakotas or, or Canada or wherever it's coming from and that, so that's the talks I've heard, like if they could figure out some kind of processing plant, 00:27:41 there might actually be a pretty good demand for it here. Got it. And then you're admitting 00:27:47 that you actually have an advantage. You see, this is something dear listeners and viewers that you don't see very often from these farm 00:27:53 types because what do they usually like to do? Tell everybody how terrible it, it's where they are and that you got, you know, it's easy farming where you are. 00:28:02 You should go through what I go through. I mean, and you always have to, you always have to have the, you know, the biggest, the the biggest challenge 00:28:09 or you know, the, the sleigh, the biggest dragon and uh, yeah, well that might work where you are, but where I am, we got snipers out 00:28:16 there shooting at us when we're planting. I mean, it, it's a little crazy. You actually admit you might have an advantage. 00:28:21 What's the last thing I need to know about what? And so someone that says, Hey, you know what, maybe I should alter my calendar a little bit. 00:28:25 Farming with a different calendar for you. You think there's advantages, um, your biggest thing is the wheat, 00:28:30 and then also you've got some diversification options that others do not have. Uh, you probably end up more dead time. 00:28:37 Your, your dead time's more off, is it? No, No, I would disagree with that wholeheartedly. Yeah. I'm dead time during the middle, 00:28:44 like when it finally is all hot in July because then you're, you can start harvesting not too long after the finally the hot comes through. 00:28:50 There's very little dead time. And, and here's how, here's how I always tell people about this. 00:28:54 This is how, you know, we literally can spray roundup 12 months outta a year. I'm not saying that we do, 00:29:01 and don't take that the wrong way, but we're warm enough that we're always fighting weeds. I mean, always. So there, there, yeah. 00:29:10 When it's wet, we can't be in the field. Of course. But if it's not wet, there's always field work being done here. Always. 00:29:19 Yeah. And so I would've thought maybe there's like the dead time in the middle of the season because once it's, but no, you've, you've got still weed pressure 00:29:28 and then you don't get the long winter. You don't get a, you don't get to hang around and go to stuff like commodity classics so much 00:29:33 'cause you're ready to back at it. And that's a great point. All all of these big farm, uh, meetings or, or shows are all, they're all playing 00:29:43 around the, they're Geared around mid Midwest. They're geared around the Midwestern calendar. Yes, yes. Sometime in November they start having stuff in November, 00:29:52 sometime in November, and then they're done by the second week of March. Yep. And so, I mean, no kidding. 00:29:59 We, we are always busy if, if it's not wet always. All right. His name's Todd Br and we're gonna have him on again 00:30:07 to talk about the results from his sesame, uh, about 1500 acres of sesame he double cropped on, uh, the benefit. 00:30:14 He's got the season to do it. The second benefit, it's a very low cost production. I know that we're gonna talk about that, right. 00:30:19 It is very, very low cost of production. It's a cheap thing to put out. So you don't have a tremendous amount of risk on that. 00:30:24 It's not like a corn crop. Right? Yep, that's correct. Uh, I've enjoyed it so far. We're hopefully harvest soon 00:30:31 and we'll have some real results. He's Gonna be running the combines with, uh, duct tape over every little seam 00:30:36 because sesame seeds, like the top of your Big Mac are about, uh, small enough they can fall through anything and we'll cover that. 00:30:42 We've covered other stuff with him. We talked about, uh, the weather challenges he faces and also he's been in episodes 00:30:49 of the grainery that we have taped. So be looking for those. That's right. He came up to Huntington, Indiana and he 00:30:54 and his lovely bride Lindsay. And, uh, we, we did some recording and uh, grainery on that. So look for those the next time. He's Todd. I'm Damien. 00:31:01 This is extreme ask cutting the curve. And I wanna remind you, we have a data conference on January 25th, 26th. 00:31:06 You can come to it. If you are an Extreme Ag member, it is free for you to attend free. That's right. Seven $50 00:31:11 of membership gets you attendance at the data conference. All you have, mix and mingle with all the people that are 00:31:16 with extreme Ag on all of our business partners can ask all the questions. You can hear all the data and you'll even hear me speak. 00:31:21 So check that out. Go to Extreme Ag Do Farm. 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