Farming Podcast | Corn Disease Management Strategy | XtremeAg

00:00:00 Did disease cost you crop yield in 2025? It very likely did, and you might not even know it. That's what we're talking about in this episode 00:00:08 of extreme Ag Cutting the Curve. Welcome to extreme Ag Cutting the Curve podcast where real farmers share real insights 00:00:16 and real results to help you improve your farming operation. And now here's your host, Damien Mason. 00:00:24 Alright, I'm here with my friend Adam Byrne. He's with FMC joined by Kelly Garrett, one of the founders of extreme Ag. 00:00:30 And we're talking about disease management. And here's the thing, your company and Gail, our friend, uh, through this out there, 00:00:35 he is like, Hey, I think a hot topic we need to cover is there's a lot of disease pressure that didn't even used to exist. 00:00:40 You're from Michigan, I'm from northern Indiana. We're sitting here at my office studio in Northern Indiana. We're seeing diseases up in this climatological area, 00:00:48 northwest Iowa that we didn't maybe see three 10 years ago. And we're not sure that we're treating it right. 00:00:53 At the same time, we're talking about trying to save money because of where commodity prices are, 00:00:59 and we might be really shooting ourselves in the foot because of not doing this from handling the disease. So I want to get to the technical part of it 00:01:05 before I do, did I just outline that correctly, Kelly? Yes, you did. Uh, disease definitely cost us money in 25, regardless of what we did. 00:01:13 Fungicide, nutritionals, anything like that. It was, it was a really tough year, second tough year, second toughest year in my career. 00:01:20 So the natural inclination is, Hey man, we've got a real problem w with money because these commodity prices, 00:01:26 we gotta cut back on something. Maybe we don't need a fungicide pass. Maybe we don't need to take care. 00:01:31 You know, the, the, the disease is not that big of a problem. We can let that go. Is that where people start cutting back? 00:01:37 We hear that all the time. You know, the conversations are where can we make cuts? Where can we save money? And I think disease management is 00:01:44 right up there with weed, weed control, you know? Mm-hmm. These, those are the two things that you make those cuts, 00:01:49 you're losing money right off the bat. So I think you need to be investing those dollars into disease management and crop protection, 00:01:57 but it's a matter of how do you best spend those dollars in terms of getting that return on investment. 00:02:03 So it's not a matter of just prescriptively going out there and making applications, but it's a matter of well timed. 00:02:07 What are your targets and how are you doing it to keep those plants as healthy, reduce stress so you can keep 00:02:13 that plant kind of through the grain field. Period. Healthy and, and strong Diseases, worse diseases are worse Now, am I right 00:02:19 that we never saw things like southern rust up in this part of the world? Or did we have it and didn't know it? 00:02:25 I, I think, I think that's a, a twofold answer. Mm-hmm. I think we had it and we didn't know it. I don't think they're worse. I, 00:02:30 I believe it's just a weather pattern. Uh, Mike, Kevin's my agronomist at home, uh, he subscribes to the theory. 00:02:36 Uh, we had a snowstorm in March and the wind blew out of the south very extensively, and the ground even turned red in parts of Iowa. 00:02:43 And we believe that the inoculum from that southern rusts blew up at that time. And, and you know, 00:02:49 I thought he was crazy when he first told me that. And then he started to go through it and he's like, look, the, the, 00:02:54 the disease started from the bottom. Mm-hmm. It didn't, the disease was in the soil. It didn't go from the top down. 00:02:59 It started from the bottom up. So I believe that he's correct. So I don't know if diseases are worse, 00:03:04 but when we have weather patterns and weather changing, things like that, it, it can be worse for us and we can, a disease can come in 00:03:11 that we don't have any immunity to. Well, that's the thing I wanna get to. We gotta get a lot of stuff to cover. 00:03:15 But anyway, Adam, my question is, do you think that we're gonna get to where we have resistant fungus resistant rust resistant disease? 00:03:24 Like we now have, uh, glyphosate tolerant wheats, You know, I think, you know, in row crops? Or are we there already? No, I don't think we're there yet. 00:03:32 You know, I think in row crops, one of the advantages we have is we don't make weekly sprays like we do in specialty crops or so on. 00:03:39 Mm-hmm. So we're usually making one or two applications maximum a year Yep. For these pathogens. And I think that plays in our favor. 00:03:45 And a lot of the chemistries we're using across the board, maybe there's obviously some that will cut costs 00:03:51 and use some of the, the cheaper generic or single mode of action. But a lot of times we're using 00:03:55 multiple mode of action products. A lot of our premium fungicides have three or two modes of action, uh, very good fungicides. 00:04:01 So I think that helps, uh, delay or hold back that resistance development. So I, I don't think we're at that high risk yet. 00:04:08 And a lot of work is done at the university level to kind of collect baselines when these new fungicides come out, 00:04:12 so we can kind of track whether there's development over time. So I think right now we're okay there. Mm-hmm. 00:04:18 Um, and you know, kind of talking about, you know, to touch on what Kelly was saying about are they worse or not, it's kind of a relative thing. 00:04:25 So compared to when, you know, compared to 20, 30 years ago, yeah, sure. They're, they're worse. 'cause tar spot wasn't around then. 00:04:31 That's one challenge that's new to our, our system. But otherwise really better or worse kind of fluctuates with hybrid sensitivity 00:04:38 and how, where we're gearing some of the hybrid selection too. Ideally our tools are better 00:04:42 to manage it now than they were then. Correct. But you can also argue well on herbicide, our tools aren't better. 00:04:48 In fact, I think we're going backwards on herbicide. So I'd say I, you know, uh, one book that we, I have read, 00:04:55 we've talked about it when weeds talk. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I think the weeds are getting worse and I think the diseases are getting worse 00:05:00 because we're getting worse at farming. Mm-hmm. We're out of balance so far, nutritionally, that's what's making the, the weeds tougher 00:05:06 and the chemicals don't work. And we're out of balance so far nutritionally that our plants are weaker, our plants are not as healthier 00:05:13 and the diseases make it worse. So I don't believe that the weeds or the diseases are getting worse. 00:05:19 I believe the plants and our nutritional balance is going backwards. Yeah. And I think there's a lot of truth that, 00:05:24 'cause we don't spend as much time on plant health and abio stresses that are out there. And those all we know can exacerbate the effects of diseases 00:05:33 or, you know, the impacts that are coming in and how that plant is able to, to manage those Stresses. And is 00:05:40 the highest yielding area of the field, the cleanest area or the dirtiest area? It's the cleanest area. 00:05:45 And the reason it's the cleanest area is because we have a nutritional imbalance for fertility there in the, in the lowest yielding area. 00:05:52 That's where the weeds are the worst. And we've always believed, we've always believed it's because, well, we didn't have canopy. 00:05:58 No. It's because the soil's out of balance and the herbicide doesn't work correctly. The soil's out of balance. And mother nature's bringing 00:06:03 that weed to try to correct it. The fungicides are the same way. If we can correct this nutritional imbalance, 00:06:09 we'll shore up a lot of these weaknesses. You seem kind of like the university type. I, I don't wanna be insulting here 00:06:15 because you're probably like, I'm not the university type, I'm not professor type. But you mentioned the thing about 00:06:20 university trials and all that. I, I don't know that some of the stuff that we thought was prescriptive based on university 00:06:27 recommendations 30 years ago still applies. You know, I don't think it, I don't think it necessarily does. 00:06:33 I think there's been a change. I think, I think our hybrids have changed too. So Grainville period is stretched out and maybe longer. 00:06:40 And I think the other thing that's going on is in the old days before things like Tar Spot or Southern rusts mm-hmm. 00:06:46 Which we, this year, it surprised us. Mm-hmm. It kind of came up, I don't know. We're been talking about tar tar spot every winter. 00:06:51 And now we didn't really have tar spot this year, but Southern Rust snuck in. But those are diseases that we don't have a, 00:06:58 a consistent timing in terms of onset. We don't. And so we used to be preach, you know, prescriptively, let's go in at that task so 00:07:06 that VTR one timing make a fungicide application, that was probably your best return on investment for your Crop. That speaks 00:07:12 to the nutritional problem that I talk about though. Yeah. You, I agree with you. Everybody wants to go in at R one in agriculture, we've got to a spot 00:07:19 where we just wanna hit that easy button. Yeah. It doesn't work that way. That we're going backwards because of that. 00:07:24 You said you, before we hit record, you gave a fantastic illustration about, um, justifying the investment on disease management 00:07:34 because you did some custom farming and they wanted to pull back every nickel. And the example was, um, disease cost, 00:07:41 You disease cost, uh, very poorly or very much. It, it, uh, there's two 80 acre parcels that we custom farm for a landlord. 00:07:48 You know, we rent some ground for them, then we custom farm for them. And we got into the August of the year, late July 00:07:53 of the year, the corn market was in the tank and things like that. And they did not wanna spend any more money. 00:07:58 And so there was no fungicide, there was no nutritionals or anything like that, like we did on our own crop. 00:08:02 And I would tell you that it cost them, um, 40, 50 bushel. Yeah. And so people want to make these cuts 00:08:08 and they don't wanna spend the money and things like that. Well, um, top 00:08:13 of the line fungicide, what's it gonna cost for You? Actually gave a real number. You said 170 bushels of 'em. 00:08:17 One Oh, it was two 10 over here. It it was two 20 on our corn. Yeah. 170 on that corn there's 50 bushel. Yeah. And a fungicide, 00:08:24 It's $4 corn is 200 bucks. Exactly. And what's, what's a, what's A, what's a, let's say premium fun side, 00:08:28 you run $20 not county application costs. Yeah. So 40 bucks all in max, which is very high max. That's high. There you go. Five 00:08:34 to one return on fungicide in a $4 corn market. And then you, but you also have a thing killer. You talk about offense versus defense sometimes. 00:08:42 Um, on this thing, you're doing it, if the disease is already there, you've lost Right Adam? Yeah. If you go out there 00:08:49 and you're like, oh God, you got tar spot terrible. And if I treat it Terrible is a Bad. Yeah. I'm already lost. 00:08:54 I always say if you're scouting by driving down the road looking through your car window 00:08:57 and you see it, it's too late. That's That easy button again. Yeah. It's, that's right. 00:09:00 You need to be in two with your fields. Know. I don't know if I like that when I was a DuPont intern, I did most of my scouting that way, 00:09:05 but I did get out sometimes. Yeah. If I was drinking beer, I had to get out and pee and I would go out and actually 00:09:09 stand in the edge of the That's what you might Find the early infection. Yeah. I mean, Most of the time, so about every third beer I'd actually 00:09:14 get out and check the field, but the rest of the time it was more of a drive by. You're saying that's not effective? 00:09:18 No, I don't think so. And, and I, but I think wonder, I never caught on a DuPont, But I think where we get to that tassel application, the idea is well if you spray way 00:09:25 before it's there, you're protecting yourself. I think that's a misnomer too, because with something like tar spot 00:09:29 that can ramp up very fast mm-hmm. And wipe out your crop quickly, You could be putting out the product 00:09:34 before it even has any purpose. You're almost burning your residual activity up with no pressure yet. 00:09:41 The timing has to be correct. And that's where you, you know, the easy button is to spray at R one. 00:09:45 Well then we're gonna try to do a little better. We're gonna put a preventative out. We're gonna spray at V 10 pre tassel. 00:09:50 But if it's too soon, you know, you've gotta scout and it, it's difficult. Not only do you have to scout, but then you gotta get, uh, 00:09:57 in my, you gotta get the plane service there at the right time. It's another challenge. I mean, it's, it's tough. And 00:10:03 We struggle from an agronomy perspective to talk about these things. 'cause we talk in biology and what's the best 00:10:08 approach for a grower? We don't take into those operational constraints. The getting the, the sprayer in there, 00:10:13 getting the airplane. Right. I mean those, those are Playing the weather, having the hired guys, the July 4th weekend 00:10:19 Logistical trouble. Yeah. It's easy to say what we say and then not realize the constraints the grower has because there Exactly. 00:10:24 There are real challenges. And so exactly That, That has to be juggled. But there's no doubt in my mind, looking at 00:10:30 what we've been seeing with the fluctuations and timings of these diseases, that being in tune with your fields or your hybrids, 00:10:36 it may not be the same across all your hybrids on your, your farm And, and the, when the disease comes, 00:10:41 it isn't like a cookie cutter textbook thing. Like last year we've never had southern rust like we had this year. 00:10:46 I said it was the second worst year I had that was 2014. We've never seen northern corn leaf 00:10:51 blight like we did in 14. Yeah. That was a very tough, that was the worst, worst disease year of my career. 00:10:56 You gave the example of 50 bushels on that thing and it's pretty much side by side. It's a custom farmed, uh, field and it's yours over here. 00:11:01 And same, you know, same treatment with the exception of fungicide. No fungicide. Right. One pass two passes. 00:11:08 Uh, depends on the field. Okay. Could Have been, but in this example it could have Been, I'm talking like overall average or what. 00:11:13 Yeah. Yeah. So in this example, so they lost 50 bushels. It could have been that two passes would've prevented that 00:11:17 and it could be 40 to $50. Even saying with some, you know, okay. On the math part of it, on the money part of it, 00:11:24 I guess I want to know when we said we opened this thing by saying, has this cost you money 00:11:28 and maybe you don't even know about it. Is that a reasonable number or is that an extreme number? Well, I think that's reasonable. 00:11:33 I think we see that over and over. And we had a trial in northwest Ohio this year where tar spot actually did move in this field. 00:11:40 And we had treatments where you had an untreated, you had a foliar fungicide at vtr one, a prescriptive application of a premium fungicide. 00:11:47 And then we had another one where we used in that plant fungicide, xw lfr and followed it with the timing 00:11:52 of a fungicide when the disease pressure was ramping up. So it actually ended up being 10 days later than 00:11:58 that VTR one timing. And that foliar fungicide of VTR one gave us an 80 bushel gain over the untreated. But that one with the well timed fungicide falling 00:12:07 that at plant, keeping that plant healthy gave us another 12 bushels on top of that. 00:12:10 So you're talking 92 bushels mm-hmm. Over an untreated. So it is real. I think those numbers, you know, in some fields, in some situations are very real now, 00:12:19 you know, could it be some years where the disease pressure's low, you don't get that return. Absolutely. There's so many variables that go into it 00:12:25 that the the hybrid response. Yeah. This, you know, with our 24 row planters and then our 12-year-old corn heads, we most 00:12:31 of the time quite often will have two different hybrids, maybe from two different companies, uh, in, in the, 00:12:37 in the tank when we're planting this year with that disease, it was not uncommon to see 30 00:12:41 or 40 bushel from 12 rows to 12 rows. It it, and so you just don't, and you can't out predict it because you don't know what the weather's gonna be 00:12:48 and you don't know what the disease pressure's gonna be. That's why you need to be a diversified seed portfolio. 00:12:53 But you know, you're talking about what's the response you Think, see, you think, okay, let's, 00:12:57 now we're getting into the recommendation for the farmer. Mm-hmm. The person watching this that says, Hey, 00:13:01 you know, hell, maybe you're right. I maybe I did lose, I think I did lose yield. There's some I ran through that field 00:13:05 and that normally I was off. So we got the person, uh Yep. I'm in agreement with this. So the recommendation is, first off, you think 00:13:12 you both mentioned seed. Mm-hmm. It wouldn't have been my first go to. So what are you saying? 00:13:17 Some companies seed is, would be, in my opinion, of a more northern germ plasm. Yep. And anytime you're have a disease 00:13:23 with the word southern in it. Yep. Mm-hmm. You're gonna have a problem uhhuh, some companies seed is gonna have more 00:13:28 of a southern germ plasm. And look, I go back to 14 northern corn leaf blight, you're gonna have a problem 00:13:34 and you don't know what's coming. And so, you know, it used to be we, you know, you'd have this hot number of corn 00:13:39 and my dad would wanna plant all the acres to that, you know, and we talked about that. Well then as we, as I started to learn and get older, 00:13:45 and you talk about the, this disease pressure coming in, I wanna plant the bigger portfolio that I can. 00:13:51 'cause you don't know it has to be a shotgun approach because you don't, you don't know what the disease pressure's gonna be. 00:13:56 And, and so my recommendation is plant it all the bigger diversity, the bigger portfolio seed you have, 00:14:02 you're, you're being safe. You're taking a more conservative approach and you're not gambling on said variety said company seed. 00:14:10 You know, we, when I was younger, we only planted one one company seed because you got that big discount. 00:14:15 The discount's not enough for the risk. The seed company is either liking this discussion or hitting this discussion. 00:14:21 'cause a, we're giving them credit for actually having seed that can help us with our res uh, with our, uh, tolerant, 00:14:26 I'm sorry, mitigation of the disease. Yep. And on the other side, they're saying, wait a minute, we don't want the farmer to buy only our stuff. 00:14:32 And he's saying buy everybody's stuff. No, I think I, like any of the industry partners in, in agriculture, we need to be held accountable 00:14:38 and we need to be pushed to do better at what we're doing. Right. And so I think we always say in, in, 00:14:42 at least at the university level, the recommendation should be, start with your seed choice. Start with your hybrid selection 00:14:47 because that's your first line of defense. Mm-hmm. Okay. So you know a history of what you've had in those fields. 00:14:52 So white mold in, in the north in soybeans, you gotta pick a variety that's got tolerance to white mold. You know, it's not susceptible. It's 00:14:59 Same with corn. So recommendation, we're starting now for the farm that says, okay, I did have some disease problems. 00:15:03 I'm convinced that's why I lost yield. First one is you say vary up your seed. Mm-hmm. Okay. Number two, diversify. Number two thing. Number two thing. 00:15:09 What if I, okay, I want to, I want to decrease the disease loss that I had, or I have no disease 00:15:14 whatsoever, which is probably impossible. What do I wanna do? I think you need to be in tune with your fields. 00:15:19 You need to be scouting and you'd be prepared to use Not just every third beer driving down the road. No, you're saying actually get out. Get out and 00:15:25 Look at your field. Yeah. And so when we, we do People really do that? No. They don't like to sometimes. No. 00:15:30 I think, I think the progressive good farmers actually do. I think, I think most farmers are in tune with their fields, 00:15:35 but they, um, it's different now. I think we need to be better at, you know, monitoring what's going on. 00:15:41 But then I think you need to prayer to not just prescriptively make fun. All all joking you aside, a lot of the people that are 00:15:46 with us are amateur at agronomists themselves or have consulting agronomists on staff and that's make them earn their money. 00:15:52 I mean, and not make them earn. They're doing that anyway. But they are in the field. They are really 00:15:56 Absolutely. You know, uh, some basic things. Rotation, which I'm not good at. I have a lot of corn on corn. But then pay attention 00:16:02 to the hybrids that you're following up each other with. Yeah. Don't put the same germ plasm 00:16:06 behind the same germ plasm behind the same germ plasm. You need to vary that. It's still not as good as a rotation, a cornine uhhuh corn, corn rotation. 00:16:15 But you cannot, you can't continue to stack. I, I would continue to stack Corteva genetics on top of there. 00:16:21 I would move, I would put some bear in there. I do things like that. You gotta diversify. You gotta diversify. 00:16:24 It's like your financial portfolio. You're, you're silly to put everything in one basket. Okay. Very much seed scouting, diversification 00:16:31 of, uh, germ plasm. What else do I need to know? Obviously I think we're gonna talk about treatment. 00:16:35 Yeah. Treatment. I think and, and be realistic though, you have to understand there's abiotic things that are going on 00:16:40 that contributed to yield loss that we don't see. Whether it's warm nighttime temperatures. This summer was crazy. You know, 00:16:47 everybody's talking about why didn't we see Tar Spot this year? But we saw Southern Rust, which was unique for us. 00:16:51 It came further north. Mm-hmm. And earlier than we've seen. Right. But Tar Spot didn't blow up. Why? 00:16:55 Well, we had a lot of warm nights, nights that didn't get below 80 much. 00:17:00 Mm-hmm. The upper seventies. And when you don't dip down to those cooler nights, you lose yield. 00:17:05 I mean, there's physiological factors that have been studied that you need those cooler temperatures to. 00:17:10 So there's other things that lead to yield loss. It's not just what we think of weed competition or diseases. Right. There's other factors that are stresses that can, 00:17:17 can make the diseases worse. And those are Less a factor. You're in Michigan, I'm in Northern Indiana. 00:17:21 Those, those things are less factors where he is in Northern Iowa than it would be. Like our friend down in Matt Miles talks about nights 00:17:28 that they stayed 90 degrees. That's right. But, uh, we still have some of that pressure here. 00:17:31 Yeah. I, I got seed, uh, I got diversifying my seed. I've got, uh, scouting, I've got, uh, the germ plasm, uh, and rotation. 00:17:39 Um, and now I've got the actual treatment with the stuff. Yeah. You, you make uh, fungicide. 00:17:44 But there's a bunch of other stuff. There's some that is way expensive. 'cause it's got seven modes of action. 00:17:49 There's this other kind that have been on the shelf for a long, long time. What do I need to think about when I want 00:17:53 to do my treatment? Well, in, in the custom farming example that I gave you, the farmer, the, the, 00:17:59 the grower there didn't feel like they had that in their budget. Mm-hmm. I leave room for it in your budget that 00:18:04 that's not the place to cut. So leave room for that in your budget. I would tell you like in a year when you have depressed corn 00:18:10 prices, dry fertility, your dry fertilizer, that, that's where you should find a spot to cut 00:18:16 or maybe your seed population. Mm-hmm. Find a spot to cut there. Don't find, don't don't cut on disease 00:18:21 Mitigation. Yes. Don't, that's not a spot to cut. Look at, look at what it did this year. Look at what can happen. Yes. 00:18:27 Then if you don't need to use it, great. You've got that room in your budget, but you need to leave room for that in your budget. 00:18:33 Anything else on this thing? Because disease, we, you are convinced of it and you're not just, oh, I don't farm Michigan. 00:18:38 That won't affect me. You, your FMC has a global footprint. Yes. This is not a Michigan problem. 00:18:44 Disease cost, disease cost yield in a lot of geographies. Yes. Fair. Yeah. Fair. It's, it's, to me it's the number two factor. 00:18:52 You have to be prepared for weed controls first if you don't have clean fields with weeds 00:18:56 and the disease problem's, not even a problem. Right. You, you didn't get there, Adam, Did people let their foot off 00:19:00 the gas because of the money? Or are they truly got surprised with diseases that like we didn't see before? Or a little bit of both? 00:19:06 Maybe a little bit of both. I think we did get caught off guard with Southern rust, but it's not any different than being caught off guard 00:19:13 by when tar spot emerges. Like if we're prepared and kind of budgeting for this, it shouldn't have cut a sc guard that much. 00:19:19 You know, Southern rust is novel, but we should have been ready to react. I I think it the first time something 00:19:25 happens, we get caught off guard. I I think the answer to your question is yes, people didn't want to react because of the money. 00:19:31 Yeah. But then also the first time something happens is bad. When is the first time we saw a tar spot? 21? Well, 00:19:37 I can't remember. 2018 was probably the first bad year. It showed up in over in your neck of the woods in like 2015. Yes. Yes. There, there you go. 00:19:43 That's Yeah, I remember, you know, I was talking about extreme mag when we talked about it in Illinois, but the first time when a disease comes, 00:19:50 it just decimate thing nobody's prepared. Right. Neither corn leaf black, 14, 15, 18, things like that. 00:19:55 With tar. With tar spot. Now 25 with southern rust. Yeah. And the next time it comes, we're better prepared 00:20:01 because of the expensive education We've received. Last thought on this, you know, there's a lot of pressure on things like monocropping and you know mm-hmm. 00:20:08 No rotation, all that. And then just like, there's people that are saying we wouldn't have 00:20:13 to have use antibiotics if we didn't have those, uh, pigs in those tight confinement or whatever. Are, are some of our practices like cover crops, um, 00:20:22 and some of the things he's doing, is it going to mitigate the disease thing or is the disease thing such that just kinda like these damn weeds 00:20:30 that we have a hard time tilling now. They they can outpace us even, even though we changed some of our practices. 00:20:35 I think we may make management decisions like rotation or not that could short term impact some disease pressures. 00:20:45 But no, I don't think we're gonna mitigate or get rid of the disease pressure. It's going to, it's gonna cycle somehow some way. 00:20:50 I think we're always gonna be dealing with challenges to the plant health and, and how can we keep that return on investment, 00:20:57 but that grain fill as best as we can. And I think that's the reality we're gonna to as A farmer with 25 years of experience. 00:21:05 Do you think that there's some practices you can do that can also, besides the treatments and the, we talk about is cover cropping change? 00:21:11 This? Does enough rotation lessen The pressure? It does. You know, like we talk about 00:21:15 the corn on corn penalty. Yeah. Corn on corn yield penalty. What? It's it's real, it's there. What is it? It's, 00:21:21 We've always thought it was, it's not fertility at this point. It's not. It's not. It's not. And I, I, 00:21:24 that's what I was leading into. I'm glad you said that. I don't believe that this nitrogen credit, 00:21:29 which I don't believe exists in now with the re you know, more education, I've got this nitrogen credit is the reason 00:21:35 that the rotation yields better that had what if it's disease? Yeah. What if disease is 50% of it? You know what I mean? 00:21:40 I I don't think it's fertility at all. No. So if you are going to limit your rotation mm-hmm. You've really gotta have your intent off. Well you, 00:21:48 You know, you're raising the risk for things like crown rot or stalk rots. I mean, you know, You're, which also happened this year. 00:21:53 Absolutely. It was a big year in areas for mm-hmm. For that. Yeah. So, you know, you're raising your risk by management decisions 00:21:58 or you're lessening your risk with some decisions, but you're going to, it's gonna cycle back around. I mean, I think we're always gonna be dealing 00:22:04 with disease management one way or another. Name's Adam Byrne, the company's FMC. If I wanna learn more about your product lineup 00:22:11 to help me manage my diseases so I don't take a crop penalty like I did possibly this year, where do I go? You 00:22:15 Can go to ag.fmc.com, Ag.fmc.com. His name's Adam Byrne. His name's Kelly Garrett. I'm David Mason. 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